What have you understood about the charcater of The Ten Commandments??

[Elder 111]

Bro. " VictorC"
Let be know that Gave His Ten Commandment to every living Soul.

1. The Covenant was not at Sinai with the Ten commandments.
2. Ex 6: And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Covenant already established with Abraham.
3. Holiness is not excluded from God' children of the Gentiles. You have plainly stated that the Ten Commandments are Holy.
4. The is no sin with out the Ten commandments therefore since all men have sinned it must apply to all men. Bajan as well as you. Rom 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 1 John 3:4
   4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Rev. 22:
   14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
   15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
   
5. Jesus made it absolutely clear that the law will not be change. Heaven earth will pass. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
   19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
6. From of old all gentiles were welcome under the law. Rahab and Ruth are examples.
7. There is the greatest of contradiction in your position and the Gospel. Now take it that as you put it God has delivered us from the Law. We in Barbados do not have to keep it. The law says Worship God alone. Do not make idols. Are we in Barbados free to make Idols? NO! Free not to worship God as Christians? NO! So how are we free from the law then? Until you can tell me that I can have sex with all the sisters in the church as often as I like and still be a child of God on my way to heaven, then and only then can you tell me the law has no jurisdiction over Bajan.

 

[VictorC]

Bro. " VictorC"

I can't consider you among the brethren in the faith entrusted to us.

Let be know that Gave His Ten Commandment to every living Soul.

This has been proven wrong many times over, in three different threads where we've had this conversation. Repeating an error once it has been exposed isn't going to overturn the testimony of Scripture that you're in conflict with.

Most of your bulleted points are skipped, just to get to the high points.

The[re] is no sin with out the Ten commandments therefore since all men have sinned it must apply to all men.

Plenty of Biblical testimony has been presented that has proven this false. Sin existed before the Law mediated through Moses did, and you have seen that the Gentiles were never given the Law. At least one of your posts even admitted this much.

Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

We've already seen that the commandments of God demand that we cast off the covenant from Mount Sinai, which we have seen is the Ten Commandments and the Book of the Law. Reminding us of who is given the gift of eternal life doesn't omit your transgression.

Now take it that as you put it God has delivered us from the Law.

A cursory reading of Romans 7:6 will show everyone that this statement of fact doesn't have its source with me. The verse following identifies the Law we have been delivered from as the Ten Commandments, by a quote from the Law that is found nowhere else. It is my ambition to align my statements with what Scripture tells us, and this practice continues to elude you.

Those are the high points, all of which have been addressed in detail in several long posts that eluded your response - in this thread, and in the two previous where we've had this conversation. You've had ample opportunity to offer any evidence that I made a mistake somewhere, but your repetitive silence suggests a concession on your part, and you don't have a valid reason to contradict the Word of God.

Nothing in your posts offers an answer to the question I posed to you, which I can't consider rhetorical anymore. I didn't want it to be taken out of the context it appears in, the reason for the length of my post. You have a huge problem on your hands, and your religious paradigm doesn't seem to have a solution.

 

[from scratch]

Bro. " VictorC"
Let be know that Gave His Ten Commandment to every living Soul.

1. The Covenant was not at Sinai with the Ten commandments.
2. Ex 6: And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant. Covenant already established with Abraham.
3. Holiness is not excluded from God' children of the Gentiles. You have plainly stated that the Ten Commandments are Holy.
4. The is no sin with out the Ten commandments therefore since all men have sinned it must apply to all men. Bajan as well as you. Rom 7: 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. 1 John 3:4
   4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Rev. 22:
   14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
   15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
   
5. Jesus made it absolutely clear that the law will not be change. Heaven earth will pass. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
   19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
6. From of old all gentiles were welcome under the law. Rahab and Ruth are examples.
7. There is the greatest of contradiction in your position and the Gospel. Now take it that as you put it God has delivered us from the Law. We in Barbados do not have to keep it. The law says Worship God alone. Do not make idols. Are we in Barbados free to make Idols? NO! Free not to worship God as Christians? NO! So how are we free from the law then? Until you can tell me that I can have sex with all the sisters in the church as often as I like and still be a child of God on my way to heaven, then and only then can you tell me the law has no jurisdiction over Bajan.

I simply can't believe you're posting stuff like this in light of anything we've said in the past 3 and half years you've been here. You really expect us to accept these kind of statements? WOW!!!

 

[Sophrosyne]

I simply can't believe you're posting stuff like this in light of anything we've said in the past 3 and half years you've been here. You really expect us to accept these kind of statements? WOW!!!

People don't change... we see it throughout the Bible it is this type of attitude that had God abandon his people for 400 years to slavery in Egypt and they still wanted to act like children so God had to lay down very harsh rules for them to obey and write them in stone and threaten them with death for non compliance. We don't see God treating Abraham like this at all because he trusted God instead of trusting other men (and women).

 

[Elder 111]

People don't change... we see it throughout the Bible it is this type of attitude that had God abandon his people for 400 years to slavery in Egypt and they still wanted to act like children so God had to lay down very harsh rules for them to obey and write them in stone and threaten them with death for non compliance. We don't see God treating Abraham like this at all because he trusted God instead of trusting other men (and women).

Where does it say that God abandoned His people in Egypt for 400 years because of disobedience? Your whole post here is baseless.

 

[Elder 111]

I simply can't believe you're posting stuff like this in light of anything we've said in the past 3 and half years you've been here. You really expect us to accept these kind of statements? WOW!!!

Wow is right. WOW that it is ignored, denied and abandoned. Plain unadulterated truth.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

REV. 22:
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
Look like Ten commandments to me!

Look at it again with just the two... the same applies.

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hey Elder111,

I'm a combat Marine who has broken all ten commandments.

I was baptized in 2005 by The Church of Antioch. I give regular confession, and take communion every time it is offered.

What is your judgement?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

 

[VictorC]

Wow is right. WOW that it is ignored, denied and abandoned. Plain unadulterated truth.

The impact that Scripture ignores and denies your opinions isn't lost on me, and I doubt it is on many others participating here.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Where does it say that God abandoned His people in Egypt for 400 years because of disobedience? Your whole post here is baseless.

Not really, if God was with them they wouldn't have been enslaved and there must have been a reason God wasn't with them. Abandoned may not be quite the word as the people actually abandoned God but the end result is because of their sin God could not have any part with them and refused to help protect them from their enemies.

 

[from scratch]

Wow is right. WOW that it is ignored, denied and abandoned. Plain unadulterated truth.

Yes you don't seem to accept even the words of the one thru who God administered the law.

 

[Elder 111]

Hey Elder111,

I'm a combat Marine who has broken all ten commandments.

I was baptized in 2005 by The Church of Antioch. I give regular confession, and take communion every time it is offered.

What is your judgement?

God be gracious to me a sinner.

The Judgement is not mine. I hope that confession is to God. No priest died for any man.
The Two is the same as the Ten. Look at what I told Emmy. What the scripture says.
Mat. 22:
34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
Thank you Emmy. Take a good look at the passage above. Christ did not give something new, He answered a question who's answer was already known. The lawyer wanted to trap Him, they knew the answer. Duet. 10:

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord:
5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
The two always exist event with the Ten commandments, so when Jesus mentions them it was certainly not to replace them.

 

[Elder 111]

Not really, if God was with them they wouldn't have been enslaved and there must have been a reason God wasn't with them. Abandoned may not be quite the word as the people actually abandoned God but the end result is because of their sin God could not have any part with them and refused to help protect them from their enemies.

Was not God with Job? Was not God with Abram? Called him to Canaan but there was a drought. Was not God with David? He had to run for his life. Was not God with Joseph?
Circumstances does not denote ones righteousness or God' leading.
Because "bad" things happen it does not mean the person or persons were"bad". Job friends did that.

 

[Elder 111]

Yes you don't seem to accept even the words of the one thru who God administered the law.

I believe all the words of God. Just not you interpretation.

 

[from scratch]

I believe all the words of God. Just not you interpretation.

These aren't my words -

4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

3 Your eyes have seen what the Lord did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the Lord thy God hath destroyed them from among you.

4 But ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day.

5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;

10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it....


5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

I have more you don't accept. Do you want them? Bet you don't.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Was not God with Job? Was not God with Abram? Called him to Canaan but there was a drought. Was not God with David? He had to run for his life. Was not God with Joseph?
Circumstances does not denote ones righteousness or God' leading.
Because "bad" things happen it does not mean the person or persons were"bad". Job friends did that.

The Bible itself attests to the circumstances that lead to the enslavement, and it was rejection of God that lead to it. You would try to make me believe that God was with all those who were drown when Noah got on the Ark. I have a different idea of what "with" means and I say God abandoned those people to their sinful ways and chose to be with Noah instead.

 

[Rev Randy]

snipped No priest died for any man.

A complete untruth. If I were to list 50 would you admit it's untrue? I knew one personally.

 

[Elder 111]

These aren't my words -

4 Now therefore hearken, O Israel, unto the statutes and unto the judgments, which I teach you, for to do them, that ye may live, and go in and possess the land which the Lord God of your fathers giveth you.

2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.

3 Your eyes have seen what the Lord did because of Baalpeor: for all the men that followed Baalpeor, the Lord thy God hath destroyed them from among you.

4 But ye that did cleave unto the Lord your God are alive every one of you this day.

5 Behold, I have taught you statutes and judgments, even as the Lord my God commanded me, that ye should do so in the land whither ye go to possess it.

6 Keep therefore and do them; for this is your wisdom and your understanding in the sight of the nations, which shall hear all these statutes, and say, Surely this great nation is a wise and understanding people.

7 For what nation is there so great, who hath God so nigh unto them, as the Lord our God is in all things that we call upon him for?

8 And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law, which I set before you this day?

9 Only take heed to thyself, and keep thy soul diligently, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they depart from thy heart all the days of thy life: but teach them thy sons, and thy sons' sons;

10 Specially the day that thou stoodest before the Lord thy God in Horeb, when the Lord said unto me, Gather me the people together, and I will make them hear my words, that they may learn to fear me all the days that they shall live upon the earth, and that they may teach their children.

11 And ye came near and stood under the mountain; and the mountain burned with fire unto the midst of heaven, with darkness, clouds, and thick darkness.

12 And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard the voice of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice.

13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

14 And the Lord commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and judgments, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go over to possess it....


5 And Moses called all Israel, and said unto them, Hear, O Israel, the statutes and judgments which I speak in your ears this day, that ye may learn them, and keep, and do them.

2 The Lord our God made a covenant with us in Horeb.

3 The Lord made not this covenant with our fathers, but with us, even us, who are all of us here alive this day.

I have more you don't accept. Do you want them? Bet you don't.

Verse 4. God is teaching them His Judgments and statues. Why? To live and possess the land. There were people already there. Why were they being removed? Because they did not keep the law that you say did not belong to them. Did not God also require them to worship Him only? Where they not being removed because of Idol worship and all manner of evil? A covenant was made with Israel but there is no statement that only Israel was to live by the Ten commandments. You know that for yourself, you still refuse go about stealing, killing and committing adultery. According to you that was only for the Jews.
Verse 5. The commandments are God's. They are His, as such all that call themselves God's children would come under His laws, His jurisdiction. Clearly there is no premise for the Ten Commandments to be for Israel only but one for all who choose to follow God.
Verse 6. Interesting that the nations would regard Israel as wise if they keep God Ten Commandments. Why would you acknowledge such and think it not for you to follow? Did not God want Israel so the live that they would be the example to others? Is that not the reason why people like Ruth and Rahab forsook they people and followed God?
Verse 7. Why is God near them? Would we not want God near us too.
Verse 8. God would not want the other nations to have righteous laws too? God only wanted to save the Jews? God did not love the Gentiles too?
Verse 12-13. You realize that God spake and wrote these the Ten Commandments Himself. That speaks Volumes. No human was given that responsibility. God truly declared that It was His law, not Moses'. There are God's Holy Ten Commandments. His government laws. That principle has escaped us. The Jews were required to keep the Ten commandments because they were God people as we are.
Again I accept God's word just not your interpretation.

 

[Elder 111]

The Bible itself attests to the circumstances that lead to the enslavement, and it was rejection of God that lead to it. You would try to make me believe that God was with all those who were drown when Noah got on the Ark. I have a different idea of what "with" means and I say God abandoned those people to their sinful ways and chose to be with Noah instead.

WE talking about Noah and the flood or Israel in Egypt?

 

[Elder 111]

A complete untruth. If I were to list 50 would you admit it's untrue? I knew one personally.

I don't know what you are getting at but, I meant, for the sins of any man. I am certain that is what you understood I meant.