The Lord's day.

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Just want to point out how nonsensical this is.

God doesn't change, but yet you contend that he wrote one law on Israel's heart, and another law on the heart of the gentile.

God doesn't change, and yet when asked what one needed to do Christ always referred back to the law.

A tree may not be able to help itself, but we can tell good fruit from bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

But hey, this is going to go the same way all the threads of this nature go. I'd say don't waste your time responding to this, but I know you will. Suffice it to say I won't be checking back on here.

OK so you won't be looking back here.

Jeremiah says it isn't the same law very clearly with the words not according to which have nothing to do with movement.

I'd be careful with that fruit examination statement, if I were you. It goes both ways remember.

I'll at least give you a friendly and invite to return soon.

 

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I believe most english translations have it wrong when they reference "first day of the week". "Day" is interpolated, and "week" is usually changed from the literal translation which is "Sabbath". So, I believe that the more accurate translation is "first of the Sabbaths".

If you said the first day before the Sabbath I'd agree. There are no texts that indicate multiple weekly Sabbaths. They all talk about the weekly Sabbath and not a collection of them.

 

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Just want to point out how nonsensical this is.

God doesn't change, but yet you contend that he wrote one law on Israel's heart, and another law on the heart of the gentile.

God doesn't change, and yet when asked what one needed to do Christ always referred back to the law.

A tree may not be able to help itself, but we can tell good fruit from bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

But hey, this is going to go the same way all the threads of this nature go. I'd say don't waste your time responding to this, but I know you will. Suffice it to say I won't be checking back on here.

Now for the other issue of your post about God changing.

First I agree God doesn't change.

Second it is the covenants that changed.
1) The first (we call the OC) covenant is based on law
a) this is a dual performance covenant
1) the Giver and
2) the recipient
b) Second the current (we call the NC) is based on promises
this is a one way covenant without performance on the recipient's part

 

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The Lord's cup vs the cup of the Lord

The Lord's table vs the table of the lord

The Lord's death vs the death of the Lord

In the case of the Day of the Lord and the Lord's day is that the emphasis changes from day to Lord.

I guarantee it is ONLY the "early church fathers" that made it mean Sunday because Scriptures do not lead us to that conclusion Need to watch where tradition leads us.


SELAH

You must have either a different Bible or set of dictionaries than me and the rest of the world.

 

[Elder 111]

Many churches today include provisions of the ancient law covenant mediated by Moses in their church services.

Many say that it's necessary to "tithe" and to observe the sabbath. Some even argue about whether to observe the sabbath on Sunday or some other day of the week. Whole groups have been formed around this one central teaching.

What does the Bible say, however?

Jesus noted at Matthew 5:17 that he did not come to destroy but to fulfill. What does that mean?

Consider this example. A contractor fulfills his contract to construct a building by finishing the edifice. Not by ripping up the contract.

Once the purchaser is satisifed the contract is "fulfilled" and the builder is no longer under its requirements.

Thus, too, the law of Moses was "fulfilled" by Jesus and Christians are no longer under many of its provisions.

However, many principles of the law were brought into Christianity and we have to abide by these.

We as Christians became under the "Law of the Christ" which was love, that would be the deciding factor, we are no longer under the Mosaic Law which was a code written down.

The law of the Christ” is referred to as “the perfect law that belongs to freedom” and “the law of a free people.” (Jas. 1:25; 2:12) Many were born under the Mosaic Law, but no one is born into the new covenant or under the law of the Christ, we are not forced to be obedient to God's new covenant.

Love and the fruitage of the spirit was to be written on our hearts, so if you Love everyone even your enemies, would you break any of the principles, the written law had provided, which was a fleshly law written down, which true Christians were no-longer under, the law of love would now be written on our hearts.
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The contractor fulfills the contract but the house is not removed, it remains. You have, in stating the above highlighted section, made the point that we would still keep the law if we have the love of Christ. My friend that law includes the Sabbath. The came not of Moses but of and from God.

 

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And you will never see it; No, not in the Bible or the word of God, maybe is some human books here and there, but not in the Bible.

Leviticus 23:3
[ The Sabbath ] ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath, this is the equivalent of, "it is the Lord's Sabbath," and indicates proprietorship. If God should have spoken of the first day of the week as "my holy day," none today would be uncertain as to what He meant. Instead, He uses these very expressions in regard to the seventh day. It is His day.

So you must be saying that God is speaking to the whole world here. I say no because of Ex31:13 - Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.

If I were superstitious I'd say 13 is your unlucky number here. It is even frontwards and backwards. Got you coming and going.

 

[Elder 111]

It is the common vernacular of the day to call Sunday the Lord's day at the time Revelation was penned. Both the Bible, early church literature and secular historical works support this.

Please show me where in the bible!

 

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The contractor fulfills the contract but the house is not removed, it remains. You have, in stating the above highlighted section, made the point that we would still keep the law if we have the love of Christ. My friend that law includes the Sabbath. The came not of Moses but of and from God.

And Jesus isn't moved either.

 

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Please show me where in the bible!

has been presented to you before to no avail and would only get the same results again.

 

[Frogster]

Originally Posted by netzarim

I believe most english translations have it wrong when they reference "first day of the week". "Day" is interpolated, and "week" is usually changed from the literal translation which is "Sabbath". So, I believe that the more accurate translation is "first of the Sabbaths".
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Good find!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7733680/
The Christian is not bound to Saturday (Sabbath) OR Sunday!

thanks bro!

 

[Frogster]

The contractor fulfills the contract but the house is not removed, it remains. You have, in stating the above highlighted section, made the point that we would still keep the law if we have the love of Christ. My friend that law includes the Sabbath. The came not of Moses but of and from God.

well...does the love of Christ want us stoned if we gather sticks on it, like the guy in Numbers 15, or 16..one of em says so...

 

[Elder 111]

has been presented to you before to no avail and would only get the same results again.

You kidding me! I would not have missed that!

 

[Elder 111]

well...does the love of Christ want us stoned if we gather sticks on it, like the guy in Numbers 15, or 16..one of em says so...

No need, God already got the fire ready.

 

[Frogster]

No need, God already got the fire ready.

but would Christ want me stoned according to the law, if I gathered sticks?

 

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You kidding me! I would not have missed that!

Nope, I'm not kidding you at all. I see no need of repeating it based on who you are and what you're about. You don't have the slightest interest in the truth. BTW I'm not the only one to point this out.

 

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No need, God already got the fire ready.

I don't think I'll be needing any butter. If I find a good sale I'll let you know.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Ex 19:2-8
2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.
3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of... Israel;
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests (ISRAEL), and an holy... nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said,.... All that the Lord hath spoken... we.... (THE HEBREWS) will do..... And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

The law at Mt. Sanai was NO MORE OR LESS than a MARRIAGE contract between God and Israel!! A...NATION. Read Hosea.

 

[Standing Up]

Conditional contract that ended in divorce, no?

 

[By Faith Alone]

Conditional contract that ended in divorce, no?

Yes. Read Hosea. Especially Hosea 1:9 Now look at Acts 28:

Acts 28:25-31
25 And when they agreed not among themselves, they... departed,... after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers,
26 Saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and not perceive:
27 For the heart of this people is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes have they closed; lest they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
28 Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.
29 And when he had said these words, the Jews departed, and had great reasoning among themselves.
30 And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

The first occurrence of the word departed is "apoluo" used in divorce and putting away a wife. Significant to say the least. It was at this juncture Paul was given a brand new revelation concerning the relationship of the Gentile and Jew. The olive tree was hewn at the roots and no longer stands. There WILL be a future restoration as seen in Hosea. We are in the...REAL..church age today. Israel is just the same as being in captivity today. God never gave up on them and He will not start now:

Rom 11:28-30
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:


He will take them back as a restored wife and be looked upon as a chaste virgin. He will remember their sins no more.

 

[Elder 111]

Ex 19:2-8
2 For they were departed from Rephidim, and were come to the desert of Sinai, and had pitched in the wilderness; and there Israel camped before the mount.
3 And Moses went up unto God, and the Lord called unto him out of the mountain, saying, Thus shalt thou say to the house of Jacob, and tell the children of... Israel;
4 Ye have seen what I did unto the Egyptians, and how I bare you on eagles' wings, and brought you unto myself.
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests (ISRAEL), and an holy... nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said,.... All that the Lord hath spoken... we.... (THE HEBREWS) will do..... And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.

The law at Mt. Sanai was NO MORE OR LESS than a MARRIAGE contract between God and Israel!! A...NATION. Read Hosea.

What is there in the bible that was not given to the Israelites or came through the Israelites? If that idea is to be carried through then we must reject Jesus, He was a Jew, came to the Jews and Died a Jew. The disciples were Jews. Salvation is of the Jews. John 4:22.
You have Israel in Brackets next to priest. Why? We are also priest, 1 Peter 2: 9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Was Rahab a Jew? Was Ruth a Jew?