The Lord's day.

[MoreCoffee]

So we voted Sunday to be the Lord's day. That's a good thing, God voted for it too.

 

[LarryP2]

So we voted Sunday to be the Lord's day. That's a good thing, God voted for it too.

I heard every Congregational Church can take a vote and with a 2/3 majority they can overrule God. Is that true?

 

[MoreCoffee]

I heard every Congregational Church can take a vote and with a 2/3 majority they can overrule God. Is that true?

I hope not

 

[from scratch]

This is totally unscriptural and demonstrates that you don't know your bible and God or that you are ignorantly or purposely deceitful with this comment.
God has declare that He changes not. So there is not room for changing His Holy Ten commandments. Your removing honesty from God too! How can we trust a God that is not Honest?

Excellent question. Since your church teaches Jesus could have sinned, doesn't that also mean Jesus could have lied? Jesus is God and has always been God. I don't think we have the same God.

Do you believe this or you have so much hatred for SDA's that you would be dishonest in this regard? Name a denomination that does not have persons in prisons, that are not thousands more that SDA's. This is absolutely uncall for.
Note that God Himself has stated that we should used line upon line while studying the bible. Isa 28: 13 But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.
You got a problem deal with God!

So do you have a problem with facts? There is probably a higher concentration of SDA in that state than others. If the SDA system worked wouldn't there be less of them in prison?

So to say thou shall not kill is the be hypocritical! What is it to say that you can steal? Who are grace Christians? Can you have a Christian who does not have grace? If you do not kill and tell other they should not steal and kill either then you would not have grace?

No.

Adventist have less morals than any other denomination? So every time you hear a christian involved in unholy things it is an Adventist?

Did he say that?

 

[from scratch]

Confusing the created thing with the Creator becomes the reason you don't trust God at His Word.

Romans 1:25 HCSB
They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served something created instead of the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen.​

God's disposition on the covenant from Mount Sinai was already shown to you from the epistle to the Hebrews.

• The first covenant demanded change (Hebrews 7:12)
• It was annulled (v.7:18)
• It was charged with a fault that called for a new covenant (v.8:7)
• It was rendered obsolete and ready to vanish away (v.8:13)
• Jesus redeemed our transgressions under the first covenant and is now the Mediator of the new covenant (v.9:15)
• He took the first covenant away by His own Hand, in order to establish that new covenant (v.10:9)

Exactly!!!

 

[Elder 111]

Jesus is God. Christians believe that since he created the law that was part of the Old Covenant, he can bring in a New Covenant to replace it.

And he did.




I believe that Seventh Day Adventism is a toxic, unbiblical and anti-Christian cult. It is a revival of the Ebionite/Judaizing heresy that was denounced, renounced and excommunicated in the First and Second Centuries.



I had a judge once confide in me that if he had the power, he would shut down the local Adventist Academy, since it was a "breeding ground for criminals." You keep young people in a virtual prison of your man-made laws, it is not surprising that they have no ability to follow the law when they get out. I have NEVER seen a good outcome from Judaizing. It is a rejection of the New Covenant. Their are penalties for that, and unfortunately they hit harder on the young people than anybody else.

You want to reject the New Covenant, then reap what you sow.

REAP IT.





Those sins that you mentioned are repeatedly and harshly denounced in the New Testament. That you constantly accuse Christians - because they reject the yoke of the obsolete Old Testament Law, of wanting to steal, kill, rape babies, murder and fly jet planes into skyscrapers is sickening, appalling and completely dishonest.

Read your New Testament. Stealing, Killing and lying are prohibited there many times. Anti-Christian Ebionite heretics just want the Ten Commandments to be in place, because that is the ONLY way that they can inject the dead and lifeless hand of their putrid and foul legalism into the New Covenant. There are NO commands to keep the Sabbath in the New Covenant. That's the only reason Judaizers and Ebionites insist on the validity of the Ten Commandments.

The argument for the Ten Commandments is utterly and completely dishonest at its core: The proponents care NOTHING for the Ten Commandments, which is why they NEVER mention the same prohibitions that were reaffirmed in the New Testament. Either they can't read, or they are just so dishonest that they refuse to admit that killing, lying, stealing, committing adultery were prohibited in the New Testament, without any reference to the Ten Commandments being valid.

So the ten commandments are abolished but the same principle that the ten commandments uphold are still required?
So that we should understand that "thou shall not kill" is abolished but you should not kill. Thou shall not steal is abolished but you should not steal.
I will leave it there.

 

[prodromos]

So the ten commandments are abolished but the same principle that the ten commandments uphold are still required?
So that we should understand that "thou shall not kill" is abolished but you should not kill. Thou shall not steal is abolished but you should not steal.
I will leave it there.

Two commandments sum up all of the law and the prophets, love the Lord your God with all your heart and all your mind and all your soul and all your strength, and love your neighbor as yourself.
Killing, stealing, committing adultery, etc. would all be contrary to those two commandments.

 

[LarryP2]

So to say thou shall not kill is the be hypocritical! What is it to say that you can steal? Who are grace Christians? Can you have a Christian who does not have grace? If you do not kill and tell other they should not steal and kill either then you would not have grace?
Adventist have less morals than any other denomination? So every time you hear a christian involved in unholy things it is an Adventist?

In three specific places in the New Testament, murder and theft are vigorously prohibited. To not see that this is true indicates a willful rejection of the New Testament.

If Sabbath Spam trash posters are bent on stealing and killing, three specific prohibitions in the New Testament certainly won't stop them. But here they are:

Matthew 19:16-24
New International Version (NIV)
The Rich and the Kingdom of God
18 “Which ones?” he inquired.

Jesus replied, “‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, 19 honor your father and mother,’[a] and ‘love your neighbor as yourself.’”


Romans 13:1-12
New International Version (NIV)
Submission to Governing Authorities
8 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. 9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Mark 7:20-24
New International Version (NIV)
20 He went on: “What comes out of a person is what defiles them. 21 For it is from within, out of a person’s heart, that evil thoughts come—sexual immorality, theft, murder, 22 adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23 All these evils come from inside and defile a person.”

I have boldfaced and red-lettered the prohibitions against theft and murder so that the spammers cannot possibly miss them. Sabbath Spammers announce that they will be completely unrestrained and will steal and murder without the Old Testament Ten Commandments. This is utterly dishonest and deceitful. They either cannot read or won't read, or dishonestly refuse to admit what the New Testament actually says.

Or more likely, they willfully reject the New Testament.

What they REALLY want is to put the cruel yoke of the obsolete Sabbath onto Christians, in specific disobedience to the Apostles and the First Century Church Fathers, who so vigorously condemned, renounced and excommunicated the anti-Christian Ebionite heretics that were trying to do exactly the same thing. And they cannot do so unless they can prove the Ten Commandments are still in effect. They make the willfully dishonest argument that the Ten Commandments can be sculpted out of context and revived because there is, nothing, NOTHING in the New Testament that commands Sabbath Keeping.

They could care less about murder and theft. If that was really such an issue for them, they would be vigorously pointing out to Christians the three places in the New Testament where prohibitions against that conduct are specifically spelled out. And the pathetic argument that Christians promote "lawlessness" by rejecting the Mosaic Law as the Apostles commanded them to; could not be more willfully dishonest.

Since they actually do not care about murder and theft, of course they NEVER, EVER mention these three New Testament texts. All Sabbath-Keeping does is to denigrate the Resurrection:

"Seventh Day Adventists deny the resurrection by observing the Sabbath. We come to church on Sunday, the Lord's Day, to worship Him who "died for our sins, and rose again for our justification." We worship a living Savior, and with thanksgiving, can sing:
"He lives, He lives, Christ Jesus lives today!"
If I worship Christ on Saturday I deny that His work is finished, that He is a resurrected, living Savior."
http://www.abaptistvoice.com/English/Articles/Miscelanous/WhyIAmABaptist.htm

"Sabbatarianism is not simply an innocent doctrinal error. It is a heresy that disables the Gospel."
http://www.truthorfables.com/LYING FOR GOD.pdf

And that is PRECISELY all Sabbath Keeping does. That is why First Century Christian heroes/martyrs St. Ignatius of Antioch and St. Justin Martyr were blunt and blistering in their fiery and pungent assessments of this deceitful attempt to put Christians back under the law:

"Hypocrites."

The plain truth is obvious: If Christians were still supposed to keep the Sabbath, it would have been mentioned in one or more of those three texts that I have listed.

These are very very old conflicts.

 

[from scratch]

So the ten commandments are abolished but the same principle that the ten commandments uphold are still required?
So that we should understand that "thou shall not kill" is abolished but you should not kill. Thou shall not steal is abolished but you should not steal.
I will leave it there.

Sin isn't dependent on the law as you suppose. Sin was before the law and the reason for the law. The law didn't create sin.

 

[LarryP2]

Sin isn't dependent on the law as you suppose. Sin was before the law and the reason for the law. The law didn't create sin.

Seventh Day Adventists care nothing about The Law. If they did, they would publicly repudiate and denounce Ellen White. The level of her life-time pattern of theft was so serious and widespread, and the number of her lies were so massive that it indicates a willful attack on the same Ten Commandments they piously proclaim they support.

 

[MoreCoffee]

It isn't the adventists that are disturbing but the adventism that builds on the foundations of Ellen White's alleged revelations.

 

[VictorC]

It isn't the adventists that are disturbing but the adventism that builds on the foundations of Ellen White's alleged revelations.

Now isn't that a bit like saying Marxism would be annoying because of the offenses written in the Communist Manifesto, irregardless of the communists who are foisting those offenses on the masses?

 

[LarryP2]

Now isn't that a bit like saying Marxism would be annoying because of the offenses written in the Communist Manifesto, irregardless of the communists who are foisting those offenses on the masses?

Adventists have NEVER repudiated White, even after their own Church has denounced her colossal thefts and her pathological lying.

So much for "The Law" they pretend they are protecting.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Now isn't that a bit like saying Marxism would be annoying because of the offenses written in the Communist Manifesto, regardless of the communists who are foisting those offenses on the masses?

The theory draws out the practise. It is true that the practitioners are guilty of doing wrong but the teacher is surely guilty of starting the process that ends in wrong doing, right? Just as Satan provided the theory for sin but it was Eve and then Adam with her that did the wrong that has landed us in this debate and every other sign of sin in the world.

 

[VictorC]

The theory draws out the practise. It is true that the practitioners are guilty of doing wrong but the teacher is surely guilty of starting the process that ends in wrong doing, right? Just as Satan provided the theory for sin but it was Eve and then Adam with her that did the wrong that has landed us in this debate and every other sign of sin in the world.

At least you see my point that if the theory wasn't practiced by any practitioners, the theory would wither and die into meaningless obscurity. Without Adventists in the present day, there would be no such thing as Adventism other than a historical curiousity that died of disuse.