The Lord's day.

[LittleLambofJesus]

There is biblical evidence that Sunday is a Holy Day

Ok. So provide it

There are some Christian sects that would disagree.......

2002 nissan altima
Is Sunday worship mark of the beast?



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[spiritandtruth2]

Frogster:

The 1,000 year reign:

The 1,000 year reign will have the overcomers and martyrs reigning with Him for that period. That does not mean we limit His total reign to a 1,000 years by any means.

Revelation 20:7

New International Version (NIV)

The Judgment of Satan

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

What has happened during the Thousand reign of "The Lord's Day" that is the real question, is it not?

 

[By Faith Alone]

Revelation 20:7

New International Version (NIV)

The Judgment of Satan

7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison.

What has happened during the Thousand reign of "The Lord's Day" that is the real question, is it not?

I think we must realize all is not well with the entire earth at that time. The problem of the ages has always been the flesh. We see in Isaiah:

Isa 65:25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

Isa 11:6-9
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
9 They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain:

The "Holy Mountain" is not the extent of the entire earth. I do not believe that the "Day of the Lord" and the judgments extend over the entire earth. Yeah. I know the translations say "earth" and "world" but the Greek is different for most of them and we must go to the usage to determine the mind of God in the matter.

Isa 60:1-3
1 Arise, shine; for thy light is come, and the glory of the Lord is risen upon thee.
2 For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee.
3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.

Isaiah is talking to...ISRAEL and their land. DARKNESS...will be over the rest of the earth. THAT is what the Lord meant here:

Matt 13:37-43
37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.
40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world.
41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;
42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Matt 25:30 And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Ezek 20:37-38
37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I will bring you into the bond of the covenant:
38 And I will purge out from among you the rebels, and them that transgress against me: I will bring them forth out of the country where they sojourn, and they shall not enter into the land of Israel: and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

 

[Albion]

A day of the week is observed in the flesh, and John's first statement is "I was in the Spirit". This has an eschatological implication that suggests John was seeing things on the Lord's Day, aka the Day of the Lord. None of your poll responses takes this possibility into account.

That's because it isn't the reason the church worships on Sunday and considers it to be the Lord's Day.

 

[Elder 111]

There is biblical evidence that Sunday is a Holy Day

Only you can't find it.

 

[Elder 111]

If God could transport from place to place and exercise the senses to see a vision ...He certainly could transport to the future. I believe there is a...POSSIBILITY...John was temporarily given a new body to make the trip.

I also believe Paul was relating the experience that John had and not that Paul was taken to the third heaven in...TIME. John is the only one in Scriptures as having this experience.

The fact does remain that the "Lord's day" is not Sunday. Just another way of saying the "Day of the Lord".

Stop speculating. It is not the day of the Lord either.
Please the even that John describes can not fit the day of the Lord.

 

[VictorC]

That's because it isn't the reason the church worships on Sunday and considers it to be the Lord's Day.

Be advised that your opinion has no relation to what I posted. I'm among those who considers John's reference to the Lord's Day to be an event in the future.

 

[VictorC]

Stop speculating. It is not the day of the Lord either.
Please the even that John describes can not fit the day of the Lord.

I believe this makes 4 of us who hold a similar viewpoint of a future rendering of the Lord's Day. This is what your poll questions don't take into account, and this minority acceptance that you've dismissed already surpasses your opinion that the Lord's Day addresses the sabbath.

Your poll is flawed.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Stop speculating. It is not the day of the Lord either.
Please the even that John describes can not fit the day of the Lord.

Yeah. A house made of wood is not the same as a wooden house. One is REALLY made of steel. I know.

 

[spiritandtruth2]

I believe this makes 4 of us who hold a similar viewpoint of a future rendering of the Lord's Day. This is what your poll questions don't take into account, and this minority acceptance that you've dismissed already surpasses your opinion that the Lord's Day addresses the sabbath.

Your poll is flawed.

Your right it's flawed , the Lord Day has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Check what the "The Law of The Christ" means for Christians today, as the Mosaic Law was given to the Israelites but not to the Christian congregation Jesus set-up.

(1 Corinthians 2:14) 14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually.

Start to examine thing spiritually, it's wonderful when you get the sense of things.

 

[Elder 111]

The bible has given us a way of studying it and understanding what the Holy Spirit has revealed. Isaiah 28: 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Looking at the reasoned possibilities, we can arrive at a reasonable conclusion.

1. The day of the Lord possibility, can't work there are many evens described by John that do not relate to the end of time and Christ's second coming. As a matter of fact John even goes beyond Jesus' second coming.
2. The most popular possibility is Sunday. No scripture support that. Siting first day evens don't help for they do not even hint of a reference to being called or considered to be the Lord's day. Not even the resurrection. If the scholars are correct John wrote the gospel of John after the book of Revelation. He used there the term "first day", would it not have been perfect for him to say the Lord's day it Sunday was regarded as such.

So we are still left searching.
One other suggestion still remains, not as popular as Sunday but more popular than the Day of the Lord. That is the Sabbath. How many times did the Lord say "my Sabbath or Sabbaths". Normally if that was done under any other circumstances it would have been fitting to say the Lord's but not with the Sabbath day. Why not?
The Lord has said.
Isaiah: 58 13 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Jesus said: Mark 2:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Anything that is blessed and sanctified is sanctified to whom? Who become it's rightful owner? The offerings that we bless belong to? How much more that which God blesses Himself? Gen 2: 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Who would God have sanctified the day to? Who can make claims to it? It is certainly not an ordinary day.

Would accepting that John was in the Spirit on Sabbath cause a problem with you and your faith?

 

[Elder 111]

I believe this makes 4 of us who hold a similar viewpoint of a future rendering of the Lord's Day. This is what your poll questions don't take into account, and this minority acceptance that you've dismissed already surpasses your opinion that the Lord's Day addresses the sabbath.

Your poll is flawed.

Then I should vote and shorten the gap.
Fantastic, now we are tied.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Soooo. Do we go with the majority to be right?

 

[VictorC]

Your right it's flawed , the Lord Day has nothing to do with the Sabbath.

Check what the "The Law of The Christ" means for Christians today, as the Mosaic Law was given to the Israelites but not to the Christian congregation Jesus set-up.

(1 Corinthians 2:14) 14 But a physical man does not receive the things of the spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot get to know [them], because they are examined spiritually.

Start to examine thing spiritually, it's wonderful when you get the sense of things.

I quite agree. I prefer to accept what the author wrote at face value, and not force a diatribe about the sabbath onto his words.

Then I should vote and shorten the gap.
Fantastic, now we are tied.

Claiming a 'tie' is laughable. I didn't vote. Nor did several other contributors, who like me found that there's no selection that matches what we believe!

To illustrate how flawed your poll is, note that there is no place to select an opinion that the Lord's Day refers to the sabbath. For a Jewish author who knows the vernacular of the old covenant as well as he certainly did, John would have referenced the sabbath had he meant the sabbath. But John wrote that "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day", and we should accept what he wrote.

Your poll is fatally flawed. You already tried the popularity contest (argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy) to dismiss the minority opinion within academic circles that John is out of the flesh and writing from a perspective of a witness who has been transported to the future.

Your same logical fallacy would have buried your opinion into obscurity if your poll had been structured properly to accept the variety of opinions outside your small paradigm. But judging from the content of your own posts, it was never your intent to look outside the SDA paradigm nor poll the opinions of other members of the forum.

 

[Albion]

Be advised that your opinion has no relation to what I posted.

That is correct. You were speaking of "the day of the Lord" while I was speaking of the "Lord's day," the day on which Christians worship. They do so--according to the New Testament--because that is the day on which the most significant single event in human history took place: the rising of the Lord from the grave.

These are indeed two different concepts, but the one I was addressing is the topic of this thread.

 

[VictorC]

That is correct. You were speaking of "the day of the Lord" while I was speaking of the "Lord's day," the day on which Christians worship. They do so--according to the New Testament--because that is the day on which the most significant single event in human history took place: the rising of the Lord from the grave.

I don't discount the essential resurrection of our Lord that our redemption and salvation depends on, but your restriction of "the day on which Christians worship" is itself a fallacy that limits the diversity in non-essentials Christianity enjoys. To ignore Christians who assemble on some other day of the week or worship every day comes across as disparagement of the Body God redeemed to Himself.

It is another variant of Sabbatarianism that is just as bad as the Saturday-only Sabbatarians.

Galatians 4
8 But then, indeed, when you did not know God, you served those which by nature are not gods. 9 But now after you have known God, or rather are known by God, how is it that you turn again to the weak and beggarly elements, to which you desire again to be in bondage? 10 You observe days and months and seasons and years. 11 I am afraid for you, lest I have labored for you in vain.

These are indeed two different concepts, but the one I was addressing is the topic of this thread.

I was speaking of the Lord's Day, an event John experienced in the Spirit, and not in the flesh. You already admitted that your post has no relation to mine. Moreover, this thread is a poll to elicit opinions from others, and I don't regard diverse opinion on a non-essential statement by John subject to debate.

 

[By Faith Alone]

The Lord's cup vs the cup of the Lord

The Lord's table vs the table of the lord

The Lord's death vs the death of the Lord

In the case of the Day of the Lord and the Lord's day is that the emphasis changes from day to Lord.

I guarantee it is ONLY the "early church fathers" that made it mean Sunday because Scriptures do not lead us to that conclusion Need to watch where tradition leads us.


SELAH

 

[Albion]

I don't discount the essential resurrection of our Lord that our redemption and salvation depends on, but your restriction of "the day on which Christians worship" is itself a fallacy that limits the diversity in non-essentials Christianity enjoys.

No, it doesn't. It's just a fact of Christian life--Sunday is the day of worship in almost all churches. Whether or not it is an essential is another issue that wasn't taken up by the OP.

To ignore Christians who assemble on some other day of the week or worship every day comes across as disparagement of the Body God redeemed to Himself.

Well, those who worship every day are welcome to do so. That wasn't at issue in the OP, either. Those who do are not saying that every day is equal to Sunday or that they are free to stay in bed on Sunday if they've attended corporate worship on some weekday.

I was speaking of the Lord's Day, an event John experienced in the Spirit, and not in the flesh. You already admitted that your post has no relation to mine.

That's right. I was addressing the issue that the OP presented to us.

 

[VictorC]

That's right. I was addressing the issue that the OP presented to us.

That's what I was doing as well. Four of us, as a matter of fact. That your opinion doesn't match ours is noted, and I see no reason to replace John's words with your opinion regarding Sunday.

 

[Priest4Him]

I have been studying Revelation chapter1 and of course came across verse 10.
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Here John does not explain what he means by the Lord's day but a look at the Greek shows: Kyriakos (kü-rē-ä-ko's) meaning belonging to the Lord /related to the Lord.
Most of us christians accept without question that this refers to Sunday. I was listening to Kay Arthur of Precept Ministries sometime ago and she said that it meant Sunday and that she would give the evidence for it, but I never heard her evidence.
It there any biblical support for assuming that the Lord's day is Sunday? I have seen none, not one!
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And you will never see it; No, not in the Bible or the word of God, maybe is some human books here and there, but not in the Bible.

Leviticus 23:3
[ The Sabbath ] ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath, this is the equivalent of, "it is the Lord's Sabbath," and indicates proprietorship. If God should have spoken of the first day of the week as "my holy day," none today would be uncertain as to what He meant. Instead, He uses these very expressions in regard to the seventh day. It is His day.