The Lord's day.

[Priest4Him]

"The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28)

There is nothing in the Bible that indicates a change or transfer of the sanctity of the Sabbath day to Sunday.
The church has no right to load the Sabbath with oppressive restrictions, as did the Jews, or to attempt the transfer of its sacredness from one day to another. Both are devices of the evil one designed to lure men away from the true spirit of Sabbath observance. Man has no right to tamper with the day of God's choosing, whether he be Pharisee or Christian ecclesiastic.

History of religion tell us who make this change:

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

Yes, history reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. It was man who change the day, not God.


Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.

"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?

"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'

The Catholic church makes fun of those who keep Sunday as the day of rest!!!!!
Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. And you know what? No one can contradict them, because history says that this is what happened.

Matthew 15:9
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mark 7:7
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Colossians 2:22
which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?



Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.

"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.

"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

I will keep God's commandments not men.

 

[spiritandtruth2]

The bible has given us a way of studying it and understanding what the Holy Spirit has revealed. Isaiah 28: 10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
Looking at the reasoned possibilities, we can arrive at a reasonable conclusion.

1. The day of the Lord possibility, can't work there are many evens described by John that do not relate to the end of time and Christ's second coming. As a matter of fact John even goes beyond Jesus' second coming.
2. The most popular possibility is Sunday. No scripture support that. Siting first day evens don't help for they do not even hint of a reference to being called or considered to be the Lord's day. Not even the resurrection. If the scholars are correct John wrote the gospel of John after the book of Revelation. He used there the term "first day", would it not have been perfect for him to say the Lord's day it Sunday was regarded as such.

So we are still left searching.
One other suggestion still remains, not as popular as Sunday but more popular than the Day of the Lord. That is the Sabbath. How many times did the Lord say "my Sabbath or Sabbaths". Normally if that was done under any other circumstances it would have been fitting to say the Lord's but not with the Sabbath day. Why not?
The Lord has said.
Isaiah: 58 13 13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the Lord, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
Jesus said: Mark 2:
28 Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath.
Anything that is blessed and sanctified is sanctified to whom? Who become it's rightful owner? The offerings that we bless belong to? How much more that which God blesses Himself? Gen 2: 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Who would God have sanctified the day to? Who can make claims to it? It is certainly not an ordinary day.

Would accepting that John was in the Spirit on Sabbath cause a problem with you and your faith?

You spend must of the time talking about the past, what the Sabbath Day meant for the Israelites, which the law had been given too, but we have to move on from that, as Jesus came to do away with the written law altogether.

So the law was to be written on a Christians heart, so the Sabbath became a spiritual Sabbath in other words the works of the flesh had to be put of seven days a week 365 days a year not just a Sunday for true Christians.

Now the Thousand Year reign of Jesus Christ is a Sabbatical Reign, which with Satan out of the way, peace will be restored on the earth.

What does the Lords Prayer say?

 

[Elder 111]

I quite agree. I prefer to accept what the author wrote at face value, and not force a diatribe about the sabbath onto his words.



Claiming a 'tie' is laughable. I didn't vote. Nor did several other contributors, who like me found that there's no selection that matches what we believe!

To illustrate how flawed your poll is, note that there is no place to select an opinion that the Lord's Day refers to the sabbath. For a Jewish author who knows the vernacular of the old covenant as well as he certainly did, John would have referenced the sabbath had he meant the sabbath. But John wrote that "I was in the Spirit on the Lord’s Day", and we should accept what he wrote.

Your poll is fatally flawed. You already tried the popularity contest (argumentum ad populum, a logical fallacy) to dismiss the minority opinion within academic circles that John is out of the flesh and writing from a perspective of a witness who has been transported to the future.

Your same logical fallacy would have buried your opinion into obscurity if your poll had been structured properly to accept the variety of opinions outside your small paradigm. But judging from the content of your own posts, it was never your intent to look outside the SDA paradigm nor poll the opinions of other members of the forum.

I am sorry that I have excluded other possibilities including your support. It was not that I was unaware of it being a projected view, but I have heard very few persons with that idea.
Consistently people refer to Sunday.
Still how can it be the day of the Lord with John describing wore than the events associated with Christ's return? Explain.

 

[Elder 111]

And you will never see it; No, not in the Bible or the word of God, maybe is some human books here and there, but not in the Bible.

Leviticus 23:3
[ The Sabbath ] ‘Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.

He is the Lord of the Sabbath, this is the equivalent of, "it is the Lord's Sabbath," and indicates proprietorship. If God should have spoken of the first day of the week as "my holy day," none today would be uncertain as to what He meant. Instead, He uses these very expressions in regard to the seventh day. It is His day.

I agree.

 

[Elder 111]

"The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28)

There is nothing in the Bible that indicates a change or transfer of the sanctity of the Sabbath day to Sunday.
The church has no right to load the Sabbath with oppressive restrictions, as did the Jews, or to attempt the transfer of its sacredness from one day to another. Both are devices of the evil one designed to lure men away from the true spirit of Sabbath observance. Man has no right to tamper with the day of God's choosing, whether he be Pharisee or Christian ecclesiastic.

History of religion tell us who make this change:

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

Yes, history reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. It was man who change the day, not God.


Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.

"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?

"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'

The Catholic church makes fun of those who keep Sunday as the day of rest!!!!!
Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. And you know what? No one can contradict them, because history says that this is what happened.

Matthew 15:9
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mark 7:7
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Colossians 2:22
which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?



Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.

"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.

"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

I will keep God's commandments not men.

While your facts are noted, the question is really about Rev. 1:10. What does the term "the Lord's day" refer to.

 

[Elder 111]

You spend must of the time talking about the past, what the Sabbath Day meant for the Israelites, which the law had been given too, but we have to move on from that, as Jesus came to do away with the written law altogether.

Something tremendously wrong here! Jesus' words Mat 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

So the law was to be written on a Christians heart, so the Sabbath became a spiritual Sabbath in other words the works of the flesh had to be put of seven days a week 365 days a year not just a Sunday for true Christians.

Again there is a problem. Since when is writing the law on our hearts mean that it is spiritual? It was on stone. Now on our hearts. Should the texts and content change because the place change? Christ said never!

Now the Thousand Year reign of Jesus Christ is a Sabbatical Reign, which with Satan out of the way, peace will be restored on the earth.

What does the Lords Prayer say?

So what is "the Lord's day"? The thousand years?

 

[spiritandtruth2]

Something tremendously wrong here! Jesus' words Mat 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Again there is a problem. Since when is writing the law on our hearts mean that it is spiritual? It was on stone. Now on our hearts. Should the texts and content change because the place change? Christ said never!

So what is "the Lord's day"? The thousand years?

Many churches today include provisions of the ancient law covenant mediated by Moses in their church services.

Many say that it's necessary to "tithe" and to observe the sabbath. Some even argue about whether to observe the sabbath on Sunday or some other day of the week. Whole groups have been formed around this one central teaching.

What does the Bible say, however?

Jesus noted at Matthew 5:17 that he did not come to destroy but to fulfill. What does that mean?

Consider this example. A contractor fulfills his contract to construct a building by finishing the edifice. Not by ripping up the contract.

Once the purchaser is satisifed the contract is "fulfilled" and the builder is no longer under its requirements.

Thus, too, the law of Moses was "fulfilled" by Jesus and Christians are no longer under many of its provisions.

However, many principles of the law were brought into Christianity and we have to abide by these.

We as Christians became under the "Law of the Christ" which was love, that would be the deciding factor, we are no longer under the Mosaic Law which was a code written down.

The law of the Christ” is referred to as “the perfect law that belongs to freedom” and “the law of a free people.” (Jas. 1:25; 2:12) Many were born under the Mosaic Law, but no one is born into the new covenant or under the law of the Christ, we are not forced to be obedient to God's new covenant.

Love and the fruitage of the spirit was to be written on our hearts, so if you Love everyone even your enemies, would you break any of the principles, the written law had provided, which was a fleshly law written down, which true Christians were no-longer under, the law of love would now be written on our hearts.


Romans 8:1-8

New International Version (NIV)

Life Through the Spirit

8 Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you[a] free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering.[c] And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

5 Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7 The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8 Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God.

Do you get the point The Sabbath law was given to the Israelites to rest from fleshly works once per week.

Remember the Pharisees went mad with Jesus, because he healed people on the Sabbath, Jesus was showing that to love and to do good on the Sabbath, was not against any law.

So we as Christians are not under any of the Mosaic Law we don't Sacrifice Animals, get Circumcised do we?

So a Christians has to put off the works of the flesh which are:-

Galatians 5:13-21

New International Version (NIV)

Life by the Spirit

13 You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[a]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. 14 For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 15 If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.

16 So I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh. 17 For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other, so that you are not to do whatever[c] you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

19 The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God

Now this is what Christian is under 24 hours a day all the year round not a Sunday. ("The Law of The Christ")

Galatians 5:22-24

New International Version (NIV)

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires.

Hope this helps in clarifying why Sunday is not important to a true Christian, it was a fleshly Law given to the Israelites which Jesus fulfilled and did a way with, although it's principles are carried because we as Christians have to have Love for everyone.

 

[VictorC]

I am sorry that I have excluded other possibilities including your support. It was not that I was unaware of it being a projected view, but I have heard very few persons with that idea.

You admit that your poll wasn't constructed to elicit opinions, but rather to force a discussion on the sabbath in place of John's testimony. I am vindicated!

Consistently people refer to Sunday.

Four people have already proven this claim fallacious.

Still how can it be the day of the Lord with John describing wore than the events associated with Christ's return? Explain.

I don't need to, as those are all hindsight to the Lord's Day. The things John wrote in revelation 1:10 and following are not visions of the earth seen in the flesh, and this is what your explanation doesn't account for.

 

[from scratch]

"The Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28)

There is nothing in the Bible that indicates a change or transfer of the sanctity of the Sabbath day to Sunday.
The church has no right to load the Sabbath with oppressive restrictions, as did the Jews, or to attempt the transfer of its sacredness from one day to another. Both are devices of the evil one designed to lure men away from the true spirit of Sabbath observance. Man has no right to tamper with the day of God's choosing, whether he be Pharisee or Christian ecclesiastic.

History of religion tell us who make this change:

Stephen Keenan, A Doctrinal Catechism 3rd ed., p. 174.

"Question: Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?

"Answer: Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her-she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday, the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday, the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority."

Yes, history reveals that it was decades after the death of the apostles that a politico-religious system repudiated the Sabbath of Scripture and substituted the observance of the first day of the week. It was man who change the day, not God.


Daniel Ferres, ed., Manual of Christian Doctrine (1916), p.67.

"Question: How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holy days?

"Answer. By the very act of changing the Sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of, and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.'

The Catholic church makes fun of those who keep Sunday as the day of rest!!!!!
Roman Catholic sources, freely acknowledge that there is no Biblical authority for the observance of Sunday, that it was the Roman Church that changed the Sabbath to the first day of the week. And you know what? No one can contradict them, because history says that this is what happened.

Matthew 15:9
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’ ”

Mark 7:7
And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’

Colossians 2:22
which all concern things which perish with the using—according to the commandments and doctrines of men?



Peter R. Kraemer, Catholic Church Extension Society (1975),Chicago, Illinois.

"Regarding the change from the observance of the Jewish Sabbath to the Christian Sunday, I wish to draw your attention to the facts:

"1) That Protestants, who accept the Bible as the only rule of faith and religion, should by all means go back to the observance of the Sabbath. The fact that they do not, but on the contrary observe the Sunday, stultifies them in the eyes of every thinking man.

"2) We Catholics do not accept the Bible as the only rule of faith. Besides the Bible we have the living Church, the authority of the Church, as a rule to guide us. We say, this Church, instituted by Christ to teach and guide man through life, has the right to change the ceremonial laws of the Old Testament and hence, we accept her change of the Sabbath to Sunday. We frankly say, yes, the Church made this change, made this law, as she made many other laws, for instance, the Friday abstinence, the unmarried priesthood, the laws concerning mixed marriages, the regulation of Catholic marriages and a thousand other laws.

"It is always somewhat laughable, to see the Protestant churches, in pulpit and legislation, demand the observance of Sunday, of which there is nothing in their Bible."

John 14:15
“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

I will keep God's commandments not men.

Is picking up sticks oppressive? Yet a man and his family died for it.

On the last statement, I'd contend it to be false testimony violating yet another commandment compounding sin.

God's commandments (the Ten Commandments) aren't the commandments of or issued by Jesus as implied.

 

[from scratch]

You spend must of the time talking about the past, what the Sabbath Day meant for the Israelites, which the law had been given too, but we have to move on from that, as Jesus came to do away with the written law altogether.

So the law was to be written on a Christians heart, so the Sabbath became a spiritual Sabbath in other words the works of the flesh had to be put of seven days a week 365 days a year not just a Sunday for true Christians.

Now the Thousand Year reign of Jesus Christ is a Sabbatical Reign, which with Satan out of the way, peace will be restored on the earth.

What does the Lords Prayer say?

Unfortunately the law as given to Israel isn't what is written on the heart of the Christian. Salvation has nothing to do with works and especially those of the law. The works of a Christian are fruit and not works. The difference is fruit isn't a result of effort. A tree can't help itself. Works are and done for a purpose.

 

[from scratch]

I am sorry that I have excluded other possibilities including your support. It was not that I was unaware of it being a projected view, but I have heard very few persons with that idea.
Consistently people refer to Sunday.
Still how can it be the day of the Lord with John describing wore than the events associated with Christ's return? Explain.

John wasn't describing the day of his vision.

 

[from scratch]

While your facts are noted, the question is really about Rev. 1:10. What does the term "the Lord's day" refer to.

It is the common vernacular of the day to call Sunday the Lord's day at the time Revelation was penned. Both the Bible, early church literature and secular historical works support this.

 

[from scratch]

Something tremendously wrong here! Jesus' words Mat 5:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Again there is a problem. Since when is writing the law on our hearts mean that it is spiritual? It was on stone. Now on our hearts. Should the texts and content change because the place change? Christ said never!

So what is "the Lord's day"? The thousand years?

Yet you toss out even parts of the Gospels not mention other passages to support your view.

Luke lays very important ground work for Hebrews while James says it is all or nothing.

 

[Stryder06]

Unfortunately the law as given to Israel isn't what is written on the heart of the Christian. Salvation has nothing to do with works and especially those of the law. The works of a Christian are fruit and not works. The difference is fruit isn't a result of effort. A tree can't help itself. Works are and done for a purpose.

Just want to point out how nonsensical this is.

God doesn't change, but yet you contend that he wrote one law on Israel's heart, and another law on the heart of the gentile.

God doesn't change, and yet when asked what one needed to do Christ always referred back to the law.

A tree may not be able to help itself, but we can tell good fruit from bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

But hey, this is going to go the same way all the threads of this nature go. I'd say don't waste your time responding to this, but I know you will. Suffice it to say I won't be checking back on here.

 

[ananda]

I believe most english translations have it wrong when they reference "first day of the week". "Day" is interpolated, and "week" is usually changed from the literal translation which is "Sabbath". So, I believe that the more accurate translation is "first of the Sabbaths".

 

[By Faith Alone]

Just want to point out how nonsensical this is.

God doesn't change, but yet you contend that he wrote one law on Israel's heart, and another law on the heart of the gentile.

God doesn't change, and yet when asked what one needed to do Christ always referred back to the law.

A tree may not be able to help itself, but we can tell good fruit from bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

But hey, this is going to go the same way all the threads of this nature go. I'd say don't waste your time responding to this, but I know you will. Suffice it to say I won't be checking back on here.

God does not change does not apply. His ATTRIBUTES never change but His was of dealing with mankind...DOES! Read Hebrews 1:1 and also;

2 Peter 1:12....be established in the... present ...truth


No more concern with Garden Truth
No concern about being translated like Enoch
No concern about a flood and an ark

BUT..what have we here:

Col 2:16-17
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

 

[By Faith Alone]

Yeah. Joshua and Caleb would be very proud of those that went with the ten spies. 40 years' in the wilderness. And so is it here.

 

[Frogster]

Just want to point out how nonsensical this is.

God doesn't change, but yet you contend that he wrote one law on Israel's heart, and another law on the heart of the gentile.

God doesn't change, and yet when asked what one needed to do Christ always referred back to the law.

A tree may not be able to help itself, but we can tell good fruit from bad fruit, and by their fruits ye shall know them.

But hey, this is going to go the same way all the threads of this nature go. I'd say don't waste your time responding to this, but I know you will. Suffice it to say I won't be checking back on here.

well gosh, the cov changed though, he announced the new, while the old was in force...

gentiles were not in the old cov, and if you think he is writing the same old cov laws on hearts, that would bind the NT church, of mostly gentiles, to judaism, so you might want to think what is written on hearts.

do you keep jewish feasts, are they written on you heart, or only the 10 and food laws?..huh?

 

[Frogster]

I believe most english translations have it wrong when they reference "first day of the week". "Day" is interpolated, and "week" is usually changed from the literal translation which is "Sabbath". So, I believe that the more accurate translation is "first of the Sabbaths".

yet, even an aramaic translation, a favorite among my MJ friends, says sunday....in 1 Cor 16:2...

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

New American Standard Bible
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by netzarim

I believe most english translations have it wrong when they reference "first day of the week". "Day" is interpolated, and "week" is usually changed from the literal translation which is "Sabbath". So, I believe that the more accurate translation is "first of the Sabbaths".
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yet, even an aramaic translation, a favorite among my MJ friends, says sunday....in 1 Cor 16:2...

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
On every Sunday, let each person of you lay aside in his house and keep that which he can, so that when I come there will be no collections.

New American Standard Bible
On the first day of every week each one of you is to put aside and save, as he may prosper, so that no collections be made when I come.

Good find!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7733680/
The Christian is not bound to Saturday (Sabbath) OR Sunday!

The first day of the week is NOT the Sabbath. Nothing in Scripture moves Sabbath keeping from Saturday to Sunday.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day [alike]. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Colossians 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath [days]: 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come ; but the body [is] of Christ.

In Christ we have entered into a permanent Sabbath rest that the Sabbath of Israel typified under the old dispensation. As such, we are no longer bound to keeping a ceremonial Sabbath on the seventh day. All days can be kept the same for a Christian who so desires.

Hebrews

4:1 Let us therefore fear , lest, a promise being left [us] of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 4:2 For unto us was the gospel preached , as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it]. 4:3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said , As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4:4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh [day] on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 4:5 And in this [place] again, If they shall enter into my rest. 4:6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein , and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said , To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 4:8 For if Jesus (Joshua) had given them rest , then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God [did] from his. 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

If you attempt to make this text mean that Sabbath or Sunday observation is required of the Christian as many do you have to ignore and misapply much of it. It is clearly talking about a rest that the Christian enters into in Christ, and not a rest we enter into on one day of the week. It also points back to the Sabbath to show how it typified Christ, and how that a Sabbath rest remains for us, but of a different and more wonderful sort. Verses 4-8 are referring to the seventh day Sabbath that was given Israel (Joshua had given them rest), and it clearly indicates that it pointed to Christ, who was the other day spoken of.

Verse 6 is astounding in that it makes clear to us that Israel (physical not spiritual) did not actually enter into the Sabbath rest of Christ no matter how many times they properly observed the Sabbath according to the law.

Sabbatarianism (treating Sunday like the Sabbath) is no different than keeping a seventh day Sabbath. Neither have a sure foundation in scripture.