The Truth about ERVs

[BarryDesborough]

Dear Barry, You are using the thoughts of a man and NOT God's Holy Word in a desperate attempt to support your own views. At the beginning of your link I find that it is YOU who is disagreeing with God.

The link shows that it is YOU who continues to support this man's view. From the site: >>>Barry Desborough, January 2013<<<Why don't you just post your own view instead of linking us to another man's views, which he no longer supports?In Love,Aman​

I'm using facts. I know they burn you, but they are facts.

 

[Aman777]

I'm using facts. I know they burn you, but they are facts.

Dear Barry, They are facts ONLY to those who don't believe God's Holy Word. I read your reason for posting Glenn Morton's views.

My quarrel is with irrational fanatics who would try to force their crazy views on other people's children. They are the ones who are causing the most damage, to Christianity, to education, to science, reason and sanity. against them.

I agree that the TRUTH should be taught which can be supported by actual facts instead of the twisted views of men who have rejected God's Truth. Now that God's Truth has been presented to you, when do you think you will begin to tell others the Truth instead of your unsupported ideas about HOW we obtained the ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes?

In Love,
Aman

 

[BarryDesborough]

Dear Barry, They are facts ONLY to those who don't believe God's Holy Word. I read your reason for posting Glenn Morton's views.


I agree that the TRUTH should be taught which can be supported by actual facts instead of the twisted views of men who have rejected God's Truth. Now that God's Truth has been presented to you, when do you think you will begin to tell others the Truth instead of your unsupported ideas about HOW we obtained the ERVs of the common ancestor of Apes?

In Love,
Aman

Deal with the facts.

 

[Aman777]

Deal with the facts.

Dear Barry, I do, which is WHY my view agrees with scripture, science, and history. The views of the False ToE don't agree with scripture NOR History. When do YOU think you are going to be able to deal with actual facts instead of the "just believe us because we claim to be scientists" views of Godless Evolism?

BTW, your precious THEORY does NOT agree with Science, either, since it CANNOT explain how and when we magically evolved our human intelligence from Apes and their common ancestor. The False Theory of Evolution will soon be a relic of the past. This leaves Godless Evols nothing to worship but the Lies of satan, himself.

In Love,
Aman

 

[BarryDesborough]

Dear Barry, I do, which is WHY my view agrees with scripture, science, and history. The views of the False ToE don't agree with scripture NOR History. When do YOU think you are going to be able to deal with actual facts instead of the "just believe us because we claim to be scientists" views of Godless Evolism?

BTW, your precious THEORY does NOT agree with Science, either, since it CANNOT explain how and when we magically evolved our human intelligence from Apes and their common ancestor. The False Theory of Evolution will soon be a relic of the past. This leaves Godless Evols nothing to worship but the Lies of satan, himself.

In Love,
Aman

I'll wait for you to deal with the facts.

 

[florida2]

Dear Florida, I do get it. It's YOU who has the problem. Not me.

Yes. The Flood destroyed ALL life on the surface of Adam's world, but NOT our present Planet.



The prehistoric people were NOT on the Ark, but had been on our Planet for some 6 Million years BEFORE Noah arrived 10k years ago. They adapted or evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, EXACTLY as the ERVs and DNA inside the humans of today demonstrate.


Neither, since they were already on the present Earth when Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat.



1. I did NOT say the Ark was "zapped" to our Earth.
2. Noah's grandsons could NOT have populated our Earth unless prehistoric people were already here when Noah arrived, because there were NO other people for Noah's grandsons to marry EXCEPT the prehistoric people who were already here.
3. The DNA and ERVs inside all humans today PROVES that todays humans inherited our DNA from these prehistoric people, who had the same common ancestor as Apes.
4. The Human intelligence, which is inside EVERY Human today, came from Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Planet, since he lived in the enclosed Biosphere of the first world.
5. The first world, the firmament or Universe of Adam. was a completely sealed Biosphere, which was floating in Lake Van UNTIL the windows on high were opened. The 40 day rain filled the enclosed firmament or Boundary of the first Universe with water and it sank, completely "dissolving" the first Earth. Isaiah 24:19
6. Noah, in his Big 450 foot Barge, which was covered to keep it from filling with water, escaped from the firmament or boundary of the First world, and entered our 2nd world, on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Remember that the Ark was above the highest hills of the first world on the SAME 150th day after the Flood began. Gen. 7 No zapping necessary.
7.The Legend of Atlantis probably came from the story of the Flood.
8. That's God's Truth which completely destroys the False ToE. We did NOT evolve from Apes, but from our own common ancestor, whose name was Adam. He had the Highest intelligence in Creation, which was like God's. Gen. 3:22 Compared to the prehistoric people Adam was a Giant intellectually. Gen. 6:4
9. Secular History agrees that Human civilization on this Earth had its origin in Northern Mesopotamia, in the valleys, just south of the mountains of Ararat, EXACTLY as God told us. The first Human cities on this Planet are the same cities listed in Gen. 10:10, and which can be examined TODAY.
10. This knowledge refutes the False Theory of Evolution since the ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from Apes. This is impossible since Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was made, some 4.53 Billion years ago. Prehistoric people evolved the Human intelligence of Adam, but Humans did NOT evolve from Apes. That's God's Truth.

Now, it's your time to try and explain HOW and WHEN it could have happened ANY other way. I don't think you can, but go ahead and try.

In love,
Aman

Aman, what is your scriptural support for the existence of this prehistoric people who were not in the Ark?

What is your scriptural support for Noah and the Ark arriving on a different world? I read it as: waters rise, Noah and the Ark float around, waters recede.

What is your scriptural support for billions of years, particularly the figure of 4.53 billion? Don't tell me you're using science?!

So you use and accept scientific evidence when you can fit it into your theory, but as soon as you don't like it you reject it out of hand - that isn't how science works.

Either you accept the evidence and findings of science, or you don't. You can't say 'I don't like it!' for some and accept others. If you disagree with the scientific evidence, supply your own scientific evidence to refute it. Quoting scripture is not scientific however strongly you feel about it.

 

[Aman777]

Aman, what is your scriptural support for the existence of this prehistoric people who were not in the Ark?

Dear Florida,
Gen. 1:20 And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven.21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Prehistoric man, according to Science, evolved from the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago. That was yesterday to God, since each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length. I support my views with the AGREEMENT of scripture, science, and history.

What is your scriptural support for Noah and the Ark arriving on a different world? I read it as: waters rise, Noah and the Ark float around, waters recede.

Have YOU been born again? Scripture tells us that those who have NOT been born Spiritually cannot understand the Spiritual. It also tells us that unbelievers see the Spiritual as "Foolishness." Is that your problem?

What is your scriptural support for billions of years, particularly the figure of 4.53 billion? Don't tell me you're using science?!

I show that Scripture, science and history AGREE. I show that EVERY discovery of Science does agree with God's Holy Word.

So you use and accept scientific evidence when you can fit it into your theory, but as soon as you don't like it you reject it out of hand - that isn't how science works.

I have NO problem with Science. My problem is with the Lies of the False Theory of Evolution, which is NOT Science, but instead is a False assumption of Godless men, which does NOT agree with Science, Scripture, NOR History.

Either you accept the evidence and findings of science, or you don't. You can't say 'I don't like it!' for some and accept others. If you disagree with the scientific evidence, supply your own scientific evidence to refute it. Quoting scripture is not scientific however strongly you feel about it.

That's all well and good IF Science has a position, which is does NOT, since it is "willingly ignorant" of the Fact that the first world was destroyed in the Flood and that our world will be burned. ll Peter 3:3-7 This is WHY the False Assumptions and Lies of Evolution is NOT Science. It has NO evidence to support it's ignorance, which is being forced upon our children in Public Schools of the U.S. Is it the SAME in the U.K.?

God's Holy Word is the ONLY evidence available about the first world which was made BEFORE the Big Bang of our Cosmos. You should get busy and inform Godless Evols of the Truth. Maybe that will stop the Lies and hatred which they are preaching to our children. Some of those children are OFFENDED by the Lies of Evolism, and it will NOT go unpunished. Jesus says:

Matthew 18:6
But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in Me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

This same verse is repeated in Mark 9:42 and Luke 17:2 showing it's importance.

I don't know what the punishment is, but it is really bad. You should tell those who offend these children that their evil deeds must be accounted for when they stand before Jesus to be Judged. I'm sure that many of them don't understand this. IF they did, they would stop teaching such evil to innocent children.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Justatruthseeker]

I don't know what the punishment is, but it is really bad. You should tell those who offend these children that their evil deeds must be accounted for when they stand before Jesus to be Judged. I'm sure that many of them don't understand this. IF they did, they would stop teaching such evil to innocent children.

In Love,
Aman

The punishment is death,

2 Peter 2:4-6 "4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment; 5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought the flood on its ungodly people, but protected Noah, a preacher of righteousness, and seven others; 6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly;

Look to but Sodom and Gomorrah for the punishment. Even the angels are being held for this punishment.

Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death."

Revelation 21:4 "And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away."

It is only an eternal punishment because it is an eternal death, never to be broken by a resurrection. They will be turned to ashes. They will not be given the gift of eternal life paid for in blood.

 

[Aman777]

The punishment is death,
Look to but Sodom and Gomorrah for the punishment. Even the angels are being held for this punishment.

It is only an eternal punishment because it is an eternal death, never to be broken by a resurrection. They will be turned to ashes. They will not be given the gift of eternal life paid for in blood.

Dear Justatruthseeker, Amen. I knew it was horrible but I didn't want to rattle the cages of unbelievers, since they are such whiners. They prefer to ignore the truth since it goes against their deepest fear that they must face righteous Judgment for their rejection of Jesus.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Coelo]

I'm using facts. I know they burn you, but they are facts.

What is a "fact"? Other then something that "burns" people. Are they on fire? Are you perhaps making a statement that objective reality trumps over subjective reality? Or are you making a reference to something else? There are people that believe God is a consuming fire: "

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[Coelo]

Prehistoric man, according to Science, evolved from the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago.

Primates have only been around for 50 or 60 million years and man much less then that. Of course we come from the earth and when we die we return to the earth. gen 3:19b "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] for dust you are and to dust you will return."[/FONT]

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Prehistoric man, according to Science, evolved from the water, some 3.7 Billion years ago.
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Primates have only been around for 50 or 60 million years and man much less then that. Of course we come from the earth and when we die we return to the earth. gen 3:19b "[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] for dust you are and to dust you will return."[/FONT]

Dear Coelo, You are speaking of Humans, who were made the 3rd day, the SAME Day as the Big Bang of our Universe, which was some 13.7 Billion years ago, according to Science. Adam, the first Human was made long BEFORE any other living creature, from the dust of the ground. Gen. 2:4-7

Genesis 1:21 tells us that "every living creature that moveth" was created from the water on the 5th Day. Prehistoric man came forth from the Water, according to Science and Scripture. Cain married one of these people and Noah's grandsons, married one of these people on our Planet and produced today's Humans.

Genesis 6:4 tells us that the combination of the sons of God (prehistoric man) and Adam's descendants produces intellectual Giants. It also says "and also after that" to indicate this same combination produced Giants intellectually AFTER THAT. This prophecy was fulfilled when Noah's grandsons married and produced today's humans, which ARE Giants intellectually when compared to the Primates which evolved or Adapted from the common ancestor of Apes. The empirical History of our Planet agrees and shows that Human civilization can be traced to Noah's arrival in the mountains of Ararat 10k years ago.

The beginning of ALL life on our Earth was some 3.7 Billion years ago according to science. This is confirmed by the Scriptural dating, which was yesterday to God, since each of His Days is some 4.5 Billion years in length, and today is STILL the 6th Creative Day or Age in the Creation of the perfect Heaven. We live today at Gen. 1:27 since God is STILL creating mankind in His Image or in Christ. We will not fulfill the prophecy of Gen. 1:28-31 until AFTER Jesus comes BACK to our Earth. Isaiah 11:7

The fact that Jesus made a common ancestor of Primates 50 or 60 Million years ago is the fulfillment of God's command which He spoke on the 5th Day, some 3.7 Billion years ago, as I posted. I realize that this goes against the traditional religious view, but it agrees with God's Holy Word.

The traditional religious view of ancient man is NOT true, scripturally, scientifically, nor historically. It's the SAME thing as trying to prove that the Flood did not happen. The Flood totally destroyed the Earth of Adam, but NOT the present Earth. ll Peter 3:3-7

Today's humans became human some 10k years ago when Noah's grandsons married and produced the FIRST humans on our Earth. We did NOT evolve from Apes, since Adam is our common ancestor. Human civilization on this Planet can be traced to the arrival of Noah on our Earth. That's God's Truth which agrees scripturally, scientifically, and historically.

I welcome you trying to refute this understanding since I know that in doing so, you will come to the same conclusion as I have, since that IS what Scripture teaches. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Coelo]

Adam, the first Human was made long BEFORE any other living creature, from the dust of the ground. Gen. 2:4-7

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth,

We know that Adam lived 6,000 years ago. WE can read about the generations in the book of Luke.

3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (5752) (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,
3:24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,
3:25 Which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Amos, which was the son of Naum, which was the son of Esli, which was the son of Nagge,
3:26 Which was the son of Maath, which was the son of Mattathias, which was the son of Semei, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Juda,
3:27 Which was the son of Joanna, which was the son of Rhesa, which was the son of Zorobabel, which was the son of Salathiel, which was the son of Neri,
3:28 Which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Addi, which was the son of Cosam, which was the son of Elmodam, which was the son of Er,
3:29 Which was the son of Jose, which was the son of Eliezer, which was the son of Jorim, which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi,
3:30 Which was the son of Simeon, which was the son of Juda, which was the son of Joseph, which was the son of Jonan, which was the son of Eliakim,
3:31 Which was the son of Melea, which was the son of Menan, which was the son of Mattatha, which was the son of Nathan, which was the son of David,
3:32 Which was the son of Jesse, which was the son of Obed, which was the son of Booz, which was the son of Salmon, which was the son of Naasson,
3:33 Which was the son of Aminadab, which was the son of Aram, which was the son of Esrom, which was the son of Phares, which was the son of Juda,
3:34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,
3:35 Which was the son of Saruch, which was the son of Ragau, which was the son of Phalec, which was the son of Heber, which was the son of Sala,
3:36 Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech,
3:37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,
3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

 

[Aman777]

2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth,

We know that Adam lived 6,000 years ago. WE can read about the generations in the book of Luke.

Dear Coelo, Adam lived for Billions of years BEFORE he and Eve were "created in God's Image" as Genesis 5:1-2 shows. AFTER Adam was born again Spiritually, he lived for 130 years and then had Seth. Adam lived for 930 years AFTER he and Eve were born Spiritually before he died. Gen. 5:5

Ancient men thought that God listed EVERY person in the list you posted, BUT that is not so. Archbishop James Ussher thought the SAME. The Jewish year is 5773 today, since they made the same mistake that ancient men and Ussher made. This dating was placed in the margins of the Bible for 300 years from 1650-1950 before it was removed.

Adam was "formed from the dust of the ground" on the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4-7 This is the SAME Day the first Earth AND our 2nd heaven was made, showing that Adam was made Billions of years ago. Eve was not made until the present 6th Day (Gen. 2:22) and BOTH were "created in God's Image" or born again on the SAME 6th Day AFTER Cain killed Abel. Gen. 5:1-2

3:23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (5752) (as was supposed ) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

The above verse shows that Joseph was the son of Heli, BUT he was not as the following verse shows:

Matthew 1:16 And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ.

Joseph was the SON IN LAW of Heli. This verse is showing that Joseph AND Mary were both descended from David. I listed this to show you how easy it is to become confused about what you are actually reading.

God does NOT list those who were NOT born Spiritually. In order to see this, look for Cain or ANY of his descendants who are listed in the order from Adam to Jesus.

Here is another interesting fact. Adam died on the present 6th Day EXACTLY as the LORD/Jesus told him he would if he disobeyed and ate of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Otherwise, the LORD lied and satan told him the Truth. Today remains the 6th Day in the Creation of the perfect Heaven. God Bless you.

In Love,
Aman

 

[mark kennedy]

Dear Barry, Humans could NOT have evolved from a common ancestor of Apes because there were NO humans on this Planet until some 10k years ago, when Noah arrived. The reason we have the ERVs of the common ancestor of the sons of God (Prehistoric man) and Apes is because we inherted them from the people Noah's grandsons married, since there were NO other Humans for them to marry.

Inside every Human today is the DNA and ERVS of the common ancestor of the sons of God. but this does NOT show that Humans evolved from the same common ancestor. Adam was made on the SAME Day as the Big Bang, which was at least 9 Billion years BEFORE our Solar System was complete. Genesis 2:4-7 That's God's Truth.

The best and ONLY evidence of this Truth is found in Genesis. That's why I insist that Scripture be used to show what Science has not yet discovered. So, go ahead and refute God's Truth if you can. Listing long posts telling us how ERVs works is boring and irrelevant to the debate.

This is because I admit that the common ancestor's DNA and ERVs are inside us, and God's Holy Word tells me WHY in plain language, and it has NOTHING to do with us evolving from any other living creature. Adam was FIRST made and Humans are destined to rule Heaven for Eternity.

In Love,
Aman

In case your unaware Barry was soundly refuted on these ERV arguments:

ERVs put chimp/human common ancestry beyond any reasonable doubt.

He is fond of saying that all the ERVs in humans and chimpanzees are identical which is impossible. Only 29% of the protein coding genes are identical, there's no way ERVs would be. They are supposedly the result of germline invasions and make up 8% of the human genome which is rather hard to accept.

One ERV that has been studied extensively is HIV. It is profoundly dangerous to the human immune system, just imagine how dangerous it would be in the germline cells (early embryo). They would be devastating but we are supposed to believe that 8% of the human genome is the result of germline invasions.

Evolutionists are just ridiculous when it comes to these homology arguments.

Grace and peace,
Mark

 

[Loudmouth]

He is fond of saying that all the ERVs in humans and chimpanzees are identical which is impossible.

Where does Barry say that?

Only 29% of the protein coding genes are identical,

Of the ones that are not 100% identical, they only differ by 1-2%. Why do you always leave that part out?

there's no way ERVs would be.

You have been shown the math over and over. Humans and chimps each have over 200,000 ERV's total. Of those 200,000, less than 100 are only found in humans and less than 300 are only found in chimps.

You are also trying to compare apples and oranges. The number of shared insertions is independent of the shared bases within a gene. It would be more accurate to say that we should expect to see the same divergence in ERV's as we see in pseudogenes, and possibly more divergence in ERV's due to negative selection within genes.

They are supposedly the result of germline invasions and make up 8% of the human genome which is rather hard to accept.

Your incredulity does not change the facts.

One ERV that has been studied extensively is HIV.

HIV is not an ERV. It is a retrovirus.

It is profoundly dangerous to the human immune system, just imagine how dangerous it would be in the germline cells (early embryo). They would be devastating but we are supposed to believe that 8% of the human genome is the result of germline invasions.

It is an observation that the koala genome is accumulating ERV's right now from a known and circulating retrovirus.

"Although endogenous retroviruses are common across vertebrate genomes, the koala retrovirus (KoRV) is the only retrovirus known to be currently invading the germ line of its host. KoRV is believed to have first infected koalas in northern Australia less than two centuries ago. We examined KoRV in 28 koala museum skins collected in the late 19th and 20th centuries and deep sequenced the complete proviral envelope region from five northern Australian specimens."
One Hundred Twenty Years of Koala Retrovirus Evolution Determined from Museum Skins

Why would the ancestors of apes be any different?

Evolutionists are just ridiculous when it comes to these homology arguments.

So you are saying that common ancestry does not produce homology? Really?

 

[Aman777]

In case your unaware Barry was soundly refuted on these ERV arguments:

ERVs put chimp/human common ancestry beyond any reasonable doubt.

He is fond of saying that all the ERVs in humans and chimpanzees are identical which is impossible. Only 29% of the protein coding genes are identical, there's no way ERVs would be. They are supposedly the result of germline invasions and make up 8% of the human genome which is rather hard to accept.

One ERV that has been studied extensively is HIV. It is profoundly dangerous to the human immune system, just imagine how dangerous it would be in the germline cells (early embryo). They would be devastating but we are supposed to believe that 8% of the human genome is the result of germline invasions.

Evolutionists are just ridiculous when it comes to these homology arguments.

Grace and peace,
Mark

Dear Mark, I agree, but I wouldn't know one cell from another. I believe what God said in Genesis and that is that man was FIRST made making it impossible that we could have evolved from ANY other living creature, as the lying ToE falsely teaches. Genesis 2:4-7 tells us that man was made BEFORE plants, herbs, and rain, and ANY other living creature.

Thanks for identifying another way the ToE fails miserably. Teaching that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes is a Satanic Lie.

In Love,
Aman

 

[mark kennedy]

Where does Barry say that?

I don't need his permission

Of the ones that are not 100% identical, they only differ by 1-2%. Why do you always leave that part out?

Which comes to one codon per protein coding gene per lineage. Sure, it doesn't sound that bad except they are definitely not identical. With that in mind one must wonder about transposable elements that are far more likely to accumulate mutations. The often chanted mantra of the ERVs being identical is absurd.

You have been shown the math over and over. Humans and chimps each have over 200,000 ERV's total. Of those 200,000, less than 100 are only found in humans and less than 300 are only found in chimps.

The math isn't factoring in the fact that after millions of years they must have accumulated mutations. It would be astonishing if they were actually exactly the same since it's a statistical impossibility.

HIV is not an ERV. It is a retrovirus.

It's devastating to the immune system, imagine what would happen in the germcells.

It is an observation that the koala genome is accumulating ERV's right now from a known and circulating retrovirus.

"Although endogenous retroviruses are common across vertebrate genomes, the koala retrovirus (KoRV) is the only retrovirus known to be currently invading the germ line of its host. KoRV is believed to have first infected koalas in northern Australia less than two centuries ago. We examined KoRV in 28 koala museum skins collected in the late 19th and 20th centuries and deep sequenced the complete proviral envelope region from five northern Australian specimens."
One Hundred Twenty Years of Koala Retrovirus Evolution Determined from Museum Skins

Why would the ancestors of apes be any different?[/quote]

Indeed:

In summary, the dearth of substantial changes in KoRV env or functional motifs for more than a century and the widespread distribution of KoRV in the late 1800s were surprising results. However, these findings would be consistent with a historical account that an epidemic with symptoms that may have been similar to those caused by Chlamydia killed large numbers of koalas during 1887–1889 (Lee and Martin 1988). Our results suggest that KoRV has subjected koala populations to greatly increased susceptibility to disease for a period spanning more than a century.​

They would have suffered terrible disease and disorder at a time when they were branching off into every major taxon of primates including Old World and New World Monkeys.

So you are saying that common ancestry does not produce homology? Really?

No, I'm saying that homology arguments don't stand up to close scrutiny and this one is especially dubious.

Nice chatting with you again LM but we've been over this too many times for me to waste a lot of time on it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

I don't need his permission

No, but you have to quote him accurately, otherwise you are a liar.

 

[Loudmouth]

I don't need his permission

You could at least try to be honest about what other people are claiming. Is that too much to ask?

Which comes to one codon per protein coding gene per lineage. Sure, it doesn't sound that bad except they are definitely not identical.

Of course they aren't identical. THEY EVOLVED!!!

Did you forget that evolution is CHANGE OVER TIME? How is pointing to change evidence against evolution when change is exactly what we should see with evolution?

With that in mind one must wonder about transposable elements that are far more likely to accumulate mutations. The often chanted mantra of the ERVs being identical is absurd.

No one is saying that the sequence of ERV's is identical. They are saying that the insertions are found at the identical base. Of course there are accumulation of lineage specific mutations. THAT'S WHAT EVOLUTION DOES!!!

The math isn't factoring in the fact that after millions of years they must have accumulated mutations. It would be astonishing if they were actually exactly the same since it's a statistical impossibility.

No one is claiming that the sequences are identical. Are you telling us that you don't even understand how genetics works?

It's devastating to the immune system, imagine what would happen in the germcells.

Doesn't change the fact that they are there. You can claim on and on how much destruction a meteor impact would have, but it doesn't change the fact that there are massive meteor craters on the Earth.

Indeed:

In summary, the dearth of substantial changes in KoRV env or functional motifs for more than a century and the widespread distribution of KoRV in the late 1800s were surprising results. However, these findings would be consistent with a historical account that an epidemic with symptoms that may have been similar to those caused by Chlamydia killed large numbers of koalas during 1887–1889 (Lee and Martin 1988). Our results suggest that KoRV has subjected koala populations to greatly increased susceptibility to disease for a period spanning more than a century.​

They would have suffered terrible disease and disorder at a time when they were branching off into every major taxon of primates including Old World and New World Monkeys.

Even when faced with overwhelming evidence that modern retroviruses are producing ERV's in koalas you will still not accept the fact that retroviruses produce ERV's. Incredible.

No, I'm saying that homology arguments don't stand up to close scrutiny and this one is especially dubious.

Where doesn't it stand up? You are actually pointing to evolution of gene sequences as evidence against evolution. How pathetic is that?