The Truth about ERVs

[florida2]

Aman:>>The evidence from ERVs was inherited by today's humans when Noah's grandsons married and passed the Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. We did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, as I have told you many times, but that doesn't fit with your Godless thinking, so you make up stories and preach them as Scientific Fact. FYI, Evolution is NOT Science, but instead is a False Theory of Godless men.



Dear Florida, Technically no, but the sons of God (prehistoric man) could produce offspring with the descendants of Adam, the first Human. Gen. 6:4



Prehistoric people did NOT descend from Adam, thus they did NOT have Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's intelligence. These sons of God were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21 tells us that "EVERY living creature that moveth" came forth from the water and prehistoric man moved. Science AGREES that life must have water or the cells within our bodies, will die.



Life came forth from the Water on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:7 Life also came forth from the water in our Cosmos when God commanded it to do so. When we travel into outer space, we will find LIfe everywhere we find liquid water.

The world of Adam was destroyed in the Flood but NOT our world. God made 3 heavens or universes and our world is the SECOND. God also made the THIRD heaven at the same time He did our world. Gen. 2:4 Noah brought the human intelligence to our Planet, but Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced today's humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived. Cain did the SAME thing on the first world.

That is WHY we have the DNA and ERVs of the sons of God in our bodies. We did NOT evolve from the sons of God since Humans were made Billions of years before the common ancestor of the sons of God. This knowledge shows that the False Theory of Evolution, which is being forced upon our innocent children, is a Lie. That's God's Truth.

BTW, Barry will probably tell you to NOT post in this thread, since it is a Formal Debate thread between me and him. It doesn't matter to me, since Barry seems to have NO rebuttal to God's Truth. I tell you just in case he yells at you. God bless.

In Love,
Aman

Where does it say in the Bible that God made multiple Earths? Gen 2:4 only mentions Earth in the singular. The phrase 'The Heavens' is a common one to mean all the different bodies in the sky. I don't know the original language it was written in and how well it's translated.

So you think that Noah and his family on the Ark were actually transported to another planet which happened to be populated with this prehistoric people who weren't humans but they could reproduce with and that God conveniently doesn't mention anywhere in the Bible? Really?

 

[Aman777]

Where does it say in the Bible that God made multiple Earths? Gen 2:4 only mentions Earth in the singular. The phrase 'The Heavens' is a common one to mean all the different bodies in the sky. I don't know the original language it was written in and how well it's translated.

Dear Florida, Genesis 1:6-8 tells us of the FIRST firmament, which God called "heaven." The first heaven was placed in the midst or middle of the water and water was above and below it. If you know anything about water, you know that IF water is above and below something, it is surrounded by water. OUR Universe is NOT surrounded by water. The first heaven was made on the SECOND Day.

Genesis 2:4 speaks of other HeavenS (Plural) which were made at the beginning of the THIRD Day. This means that God made a Multiverse composed of at least THREE heavens or Universes. The first heaven was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:6 The present heaven will be burned. ll Peter 3:7 and ll Peter 3:10 There are many more verses which confirm this Scriptural Fact, if you would like for me to list them.

So you think that Noah and his family on the Ark were actually transported to another planet which happened to be populated with this prehistoric people who weren't humans but they could reproduce with and that God conveniently doesn't mention anywhere in the Bible? Really?

Not quite. Noah and his family in the Ark were transported to another Heaven or Universe. This should be simple for the Creator to accomplish since the first heaven was an enclosed Biosphere, with a firmament which protected it from the Water, or whatever the first heaven was in.

This explains WHY the first heaven was "clean dissolved" in the Flood as Isaiah 24 tells us. After 40 days of rain, and the water, which was under the land of the first heaven, was released into the Biosphere, the first heaven sank and released the Ark on the 150th Day AFTER the Flood began. Gen. 8:4 Genesis 7 confirms that the Ark was above the highest hills of the first Earth on the SAME 150th Day AFTER the Flood began. IOW, the Ark made the journey from the first heaven to the present second heaven on the 150th Day AFTER the flood began.

The Ark arrived in the mountains of Ararat, and Human civilization on the present Earth began. This happened some 10k years ago, but Godless Evolution does NOT teach this, since it would destroy their False Theory of Evolution. That's God's Truth.

BTW, When our heaven is burned, ALL Christians will be taken to the THIRD Heaven which is spoken of in ll Corinthians 12:2 and Revelation 21:1. Also read Genesis 6:4 which tells us that intellectual Giants or Humans were produced when the sons of God married and produced children with Adam's descendants. This happened on the 1st Earth and the present Earth. This will be confirmed when Today's Science goes into Space and confirms that LIFE is found throughout our Universe, where we find liquid water.

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Garbage.

Dear Barry, IF you are admitting that your incomplete, untrue, False Theory of Evolution is "Garbage", I totally agree.

In Love,
Aman

 

[BarryDesborough]

Dear Barry, IF you are admitting that your incomplete, untrue, False Theory of Evolution is "Garbage", I totally agree.

In Love,
Aman

Still got nothing to say about ERVs (the supposed topic of this thread)?

 

[Aman777]

Still got nothing to say about ERVs (the supposed topic of this thread)?

Dear Barry, God's Holy Word has already refuted your False idea that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, and inherited his ERVs. YOU have been unable to show us where God is lying, which is what you have tried over and over.

God's Holy Word remains the Truth no matter how many Godless men disagree. In the end, your knee will bow to God's Truth which destroys your silly ideas that we evolved. We did NOT, since Adam was made BEFORE any other creature, making it IMPOSSIBLE that Humans evolved from ANY other creature.

In Love,
Aman

 

[twinc]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Ok. Here is the evidence. It is up to you to refute it with YOUR evidence. Please explain How ancient man could have possibly known the following:

We live in a Multiverse. Gen. 1:6-8 and Gen. 2:4
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Dear Barry, And that's NO refute of God's Holy Word. Gen. 1:6-8 tells us the first world (Universe-Cosmos-Heaven) was made on the SECOND Day. Gen. 2:4 shows that other HeavenS (Heaven is defined in Gen. 1:8) were made on the THIRD Day. That is 3 firmaments or boundaries of a Heaven (Cosmos, Universe-world) made by the 3rd Day.

A Multiverse is composed of 2 or more Universes. You are refuted, Scripturally, by the ONLY evidence available.

Aman:>>The Big Bang was on the 3rd Day. Gen. 2:4



False. There were 2 Days BEFORE the Big Bang of our Universe and the 3rd Heaven. Genesis 2:4 shows that our 2nd Heaven, and the 3rd Heaven, were made on the 3rd Day. So far YOU have presented NO evidence. This means you have NONE so the best and only evidence trumps your view.

Aman:>>The Stars did not put out their light until Million of years after the BB. Gen. 2:4 and Gen. 1:17

I don't know what Bible you are reading. Neither NIV nor KJV say this. Do you know you are not supposed to add to scripture?

Of course. It's not my fault that you cannot understand Scripture. Genesis 2:4 shows that the Big Bang of our Universe was on the 3rd Day. Gen. 1:17 shows that the Stars were not formed until the 4th Day. One of the latest discoveries of Science is that it was hundreds of Millions of years AFTER the BB before the first Stars were formed and longer before they lit up.

You fail again to refute God's Truth.

Aman:>>All life was created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21



Are you speaking of atheists? God tells us that EVERY living creature that moves, was created and brought forth from the water, on the 5th Day. Genesis 1:21 It was some 3.7 Billion years ago, in man's time. This agrees with God's 7 Day dating order and shows that 3.7 Billion years ago was yesterday to God. This is because today is the 6th Day.

Aman:>>The formula for producing today's Humans is found in Gen. 6:4 It's the combination of prehistoric people and Adam's descendants.

No reply, I see. Can YOU tell us How and When Apes changed into Humans, within say, a Million years? Of course you cannot. You must confuse the issue by claiming that Billions of years is required to produce Human intelligence in Apes.

Noah's grandson Cush produced Nimrod, a human, who built many of the first Human cities on this Planet. We know he was a Human because NO dumb animal ever built a Human city. In the FIRST generation AFTER Noah's grandsons married the prehistoric people who were here when Noah arrived, the FIRST human city on this Planet was built. This is evidence that Human intelligence is NOT produced by zillions of mutations over Billions of years, but simply by inheriting the Human intelligence of Adam. The complicated false assumptions of Evols who reject God's Truth, is refuted.

Aman:>>The explanation of How and When today's humans inherited their human intelligence, from Adam, who never stepped foot on this Earth.
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I see. Scientists can assume anything they wish and brain wash our children in Public Schools with their False Assumptions, but you don't want Christians to assume anything. Go back and read this thread and you will find that I have supported my views with Scripture, Science, and History and YOU have offered nothing but YOUR opinion, in opposition to God's Truth.

Aman:>>The Map of the Fertile Cresent which shows that the first Farmers (Adam farmed with NO evolution) arrived on our Planet some 10k years ago. This map shows that Human civilization, on this Earth, began just south of the mountains of Ararat, in Northern Mesopotamia, in total agreement with Scripture.

Map: Fertile Cresent, 9000 to 4500 BCE
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That's no explanation or proof that God is wrong. Where is YOUR evidence? Show us YOUR I.Q. tests which prove when Apes became Humans BEFORE Noah arrived. Again, all you have to offer are disagreeable remarks which say nothing. God and History agree, and odd man out is YOU.

Aman:>>History agrees and the empirical evidence is contained in the FIRST human cities on our Earth. Human history, on this Earth, can be traced to the arrival of Noah, on our Earth.



And you have failed to refute it. When will you tell us of a Human city built BEFORE Noah arrived? You fail to see the SUDDEN arrival of Humans on this Planet of dumb animals. Unable to explain How and When these animals changed or evolved into Humans, you MUST make it up as you go, and rely on magical evolution to change Apes into Humans. How silly.

Aman:>>All of the above could ONLY have come from God since NO ancient man could have possible known this 3k years ago.



Looks like a nervous laugh to me. With NO evidence presented, you have revealed that your faith in the False Theory of Evolution is complete, thus keeping you from believing God's Truth. Reminds me of this verse:

2 Timothy 4:4
And they shall turn away their ears from the Truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

In Love,
Aman

on and on and on it goes even by Christians adding and subtracting and misinterpreting scripture and adding confusion to confusion and the blind leading the blind being unable or see clearly that accepting that which is way out,weird and wacky is swallowing a camel and choking on a gnat - see my forthcoming post 'choking on a gnat' - btw since there was no 'origins' evolution then common descent exists only in vivid imaginations and textbooks but not in reality - twinc

 

[Loudmouth]

Dear Barry, God's Holy Word has already refuted your False idea that we evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, and inherited his ERVs.

Claims written in books do not refute evidence found in the real world.

 

[florida2]

Aman:>>The evidence from ERVs was inherited by today's humans when Noah's grandsons married and passed the Human intelligence of Adam to this Planet of the descendants of the common ancestor of Apes. We did NOT evolve from the common ancestor, as I have told you many times, but that doesn't fit with your Godless thinking, so you make up stories and preach them as Scientific Fact. FYI, Evolution is NOT Science, but instead is a False Theory of Godless men.



Dear Florida, Technically no, but the sons of God (prehistoric man) could produce offspring with the descendants of Adam, the first Human. Gen. 6:4



Prehistoric people did NOT descend from Adam, thus they did NOT have Adam's superior intelligence which is like God's intelligence. These sons of God were created and brought forth from the water on the 5th Day. Gen. 1:21 tells us that "EVERY living creature that moveth" came forth from the water and prehistoric man moved. Science AGREES that life must have water or the cells within our bodies, will die.



Life came forth from the Water on Adam's Earth which was totally destroyed in the Flood. ll Peter 3:7 Life also came forth from the water in our Cosmos when God commanded it to do so. When we travel into outer space, we will find LIfe everywhere we find liquid water.

The world of Adam was destroyed in the Flood but NOT our world. God made 3 heavens or universes and our world is the SECOND. God also made the THIRD heaven at the same time He did our world. Gen. 2:4 Noah brought the human intelligence to our Planet, but Noah's grandsons had NO other humans to marry. They married and produced today's humans with the prehistoric people who were already here when Noah arrived. Cain did the SAME thing on the first world.

That is WHY we have the DNA and ERVs of the sons of God in our bodies. We did NOT evolve from the sons of God since Humans were made Billions of years before the common ancestor of the sons of God. This knowledge shows that the False Theory of Evolution, which is being forced upon our innocent children, is a Lie. That's God's Truth.

BTW, Barry will probably tell you to NOT post in this thread, since it is a Formal Debate thread between me and him. It doesn't matter to me, since Barry seems to have NO rebuttal to God's Truth. I tell you just in case he yells at you. God bless.

In Love,
Aman

Where is your scriptural evidence for the existence of this prehistoric people? It says that the Flood killed every living thing.

You seem to suggest that God made Noah gather up two of every living thing on the 'First World' (but not prehistoric people) and then killed everything else and zapped Noah to this 'Second World'. The prehistoric people existed there when Noah arrived, correct? For any population to survive there must have been other plants and animals, so what about the ones in the Ark? Why would Noah bother if there were already ones in the Second World?

Also, the Flood story talks about the water receding and the Ark striking land. It does NOT mention Noah and the Ark being transported to another planet, nor does it mention the world being destroyed - it talks about every living thing being wiped from the face of the Earth which is quite different.

 

[Aman777]

Where is your scriptural evidence for the existence of this prehistoric people? It says that the Flood killed every living thing.

Dear Florida, Genesis 1:21 tells us that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the Water on Day 5. Prehistoric man "moved" and Science also teaches that life first appeared from the water, on our Planet. This process began some 3.7 Billion years ago, when the first life on our Earth began as bacteria in water. Since each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, this would be yesterday in God's time, since we live today on the 6th Day.

You seem to suggest that God made Noah gather up two of every living thing on the 'First World' (but not prehistoric people) and then killed everything else and zapped Noah to this 'Second World'. The prehistoric people existed there when Noah arrived, correct? For any population to survive there must have been other plants and animals, so what about the ones in the Ark? Why would Noah bother if there were already ones in the Second World?

The creatures who were on our Planet when Noah arrived were ALL creatures which had come forth from the water. Remember that the LORD made the beasts of the field and the fowl of the air, from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the present 6th Day and Adam named them, on the FIRST Earth. Gen. 2:19 These creatures are referred to as "His Kind", the kind which Jesus made with His own Hands. In order to preserve these Special Creations, they had to be brought with Noah on the Ark.

Also, the Flood story talks about the water receding and the Ark striking land. It does NOT mention Noah and the Ark being transported to another planet, nor does it mention the world being destroyed - it talks about every living thing being wiped from the face of the Earth which is quite different.

You have discovered the SNARE, or the Trap which God set with the Flood. Gen 8:1 And God 430 remembered 2142 Noah 5146, and every living thing 2416, and all the cattle 929 that [was] with him in the ark 8392: and God 430 made 5674 0 a wind 7307 to pass 5674 over 5921 the earth 776, and the waters 4325 asswaged 7918 ;

Notice the word asswage, which is Strong's #7918. The word asswaged is similar to the word "assuaged" which means to abate or decrease....BUT...the SAME word can also mean to "set", as in set a trap. Look at how "asswaged" is used in this verse:

Jer 5:26 For among my people 5971 are found 4672 wicked 7563 men: they lay wait 7789 , as He that setteth 7918 snares 3353; they set 5324 a trap 4889, they catch 3920 men 582.

Genesis 8:1 can be read as "and the waters set a Snare." A Snare is a trapper or bait layer. Does the word asswaged mean to abate or to set a trap? Since it's the same word, it can mean either.

In Isaiah 24 Scripture speaks of the Snare of trap and tells us of it's usage at the end of time:

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

Scripture identifies the Snare as the Flood:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The first world, made on the 2nd Day is NO more. The present world which was made on the 3rd Day is still here for it was NOT destroyed in the Flood. Some people claim that Isaiah 24:18 is prophecy, but God told Noah that never again would He destroy the world in a Flood.

Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Since God said that He would NOT destroy the Earth in a Flood, the words in Isaiah could NOT be speaking of a future event. Here is further confirmation that the first world is no more, and is speaking of God:

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

I realize this is lengthy, but the story is there in God's Holy Word. ll Peter 3:3-7 tells us the Scoffers of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" that the world that then was was totally destroyed in water and that our present heavens and earth "which are now" will be burned.

This information calls today's scientists Scoffers, for they will NOT believe that God destroyed the world that then was, nor will they believe that our heavens and earth which are now will be burned. I have told many scientists this, but most of them have remained "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Are you a Scoffer or do you believe God's Truth?

In Love,
Aman

 

[florida2]

Dear Florida, Genesis 1:21 tells us that "every living creature that moveth" was created and brought forth from the Water on Day 5. Prehistoric man "moved" and Science also teaches that life first appeared from the water, on our Planet. This process began some 3.7 Billion years ago, when the first life on our Earth began as bacteria in water. Since each of God's Days or Ages is some 4.5 Billion years in length, this would be yesterday in God's time, since we live today on the 6th Day.



The creatures who were on our Planet when Noah arrived were ALL creatures which had come forth from the water. Remember that the LORD made the beasts of the field and the fowl of the air, from the dust of the ground, at the beginning of the present 6th Day and Adam named them, on the FIRST Earth. Gen. 2:19 These creatures are referred to as "His Kind", the kind which Jesus made with His own Hands. In order to preserve these Special Creations, they had to be brought with Noah on the Ark.



You have discovered the SNARE, or the Trap which God set with the Flood. Gen 8:1 And God 430 remembered 2142 Noah 5146, and every living thing 2416, and all the cattle 929 that [was] with him in the ark 8392: and God 430 made 5674 0 a wind 7307 to pass 5674 over 5921 the earth 776, and the waters 4325 asswaged 7918 ;

Notice the word asswage, which is Strong's #7918. The word asswaged is similar to the word "assuaged" which means to abate or decrease....BUT...the SAME word can also mean to "set", as in set a trap. Look at how "asswaged" is used in this verse:

Jer 5:26 For among my people 5971 are found 4672 wicked 7563 men: they lay wait 7789 , as He that setteth 7918 snares 3353; they set 5324 a trap 4889, they catch 3920 men 582.

Genesis 8:1 can be read as "and the waters set a Snare." A Snare is a trapper or bait layer. Does the word asswaged mean to abate or to set a trap? Since it's the same word, it can mean either.

In Isaiah 24 Scripture speaks of the Snare of trap and tells us of it's usage at the end of time:

Isa 24:18 And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare:

Scripture identifies the Snare as the Flood:

for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake. Isa 24:19 The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly. Isa 24:20 The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.

The first world, made on the 2nd Day is NO more. The present world which was made on the 3rd Day is still here for it was NOT destroyed in the Flood. Some people claim that Isaiah 24:18 is prophecy, but God told Noah that never again would He destroy the world in a Flood.

Gen 9:11 And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of a flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to destroy the earth.

Since God said that He would NOT destroy the Earth in a Flood, the words in Isaiah could NOT be speaking of a future event. Here is further confirmation that the first world is no more, and is speaking of God:

2Pe 2:5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth [person], a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

I realize this is lengthy, but the story is there in God's Holy Word. ll Peter 3:3-7 tells us the Scoffers of the last days will be "willingly ignorant" that the world that then was was totally destroyed in water and that our present heavens and earth "which are now" will be burned.

This information calls today's scientists Scoffers, for they will NOT believe that God destroyed the world that then was, nor will they believe that our heavens and earth which are now will be burned. I have told many scientists this, but most of them have remained "willingly ignorant" of God's Truth. Are you a Scoffer or do you believe God's Truth?

In Love,
Aman

It does NOT say in the Bible that Noah arrived on a new planet and found it filled with new life include this prehistoric people. It says that every living thing on Earth was killed by the Flood and that when the waters receded and the Ark made land those creatures which were in the Ark were used to repopulate the Earth. Notice it does not say 'When the Ark reached land, Noah found that there were actually lots of animals and prehistoric people there already who somehow survived the Flood which killed all living things'

Do you finally see my problem with your ideas? You get very angry at others for being unscriptural but I fail to see the scriptural support for your 'theory' (I use the word in its non-scientific sense).

I know it says about life coming forth from the waters but it does not say that God created more life from the waters after the Flood. Otherwise, what the heck was the point of Noah collecting creatures in the Ark!?

 

[Aman777]

It does NOT say in the Bible that Noah arrived on a new planet and found it filled with new life include this prehistoric people. It says that every living thing on Earth was killed by the Flood and that when the waters receded and the Ark made land those creatures which were in the Ark were used to repopulate the Earth. Notice it does not say 'When the Ark reached land, Noah found that there were actually lots of animals and prehistoric people there already who somehow survived the Flood which killed all living things'

Dear Florida, Of course Scripture does NOT say the things which YOU would like it to say. God conceals His Truth (Pro 25:2 from unbelievers, and it takes years and years of study, and the help of the Holy Spirit to understand God's Holy Word. Unless one is born Spiritually, Scripture tells us that it's words are "Foolishness" to the unborn Spiritually. 1 Corinthians 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

What Scriptue does say is that the first world was totally destroyed in the Flood, 2Pe 3:6 and that every living creature died. Genesis 7 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version) The creatures that died were on the FIRST world and NOT the present one.

Do you finally see my problem with your ideas? You get very angry at others for being unscriptural but I fail to see the scriptural support for your 'theory' (I use the word in its non-scientific sense).

I don't get angry at ANYone since I was totally surprised at what Scripture actually says. I can give you the traditional understanding of most Christians because that was MY view before I actually read and studied God's Truth. Some take my views against the Lies of the False TOE as being against them, but that is not true. My favorite person here is Barry Desbrough, and I appreciate all of you who ask questions about my views, since many have refused to listen since it goes against the traditional view of Religion.

I know it says about life coming forth from the waters but it does not say that God created more life from the waters after the Flood. Otherwise, what the heck was the point of Noah collecting creatures in the Ark!?

God commanded that every living creature that moveth be created and brought forth from the water, AND it happened on Adam's Earth and the present Earth. What this reveals is that where ever we find liquid water in Outer Space, we will find life. This is because God's commandment was brought to reality on the first Earth and our second Earth. We can expect to find life throughout our Universe because of this.

In order to see this on OUR Planet, please think about this. What happened to the Raven which left the Ark and did NOT return to it? Where did it go? Another bit of evidence is the Scriptural fact that the Dove returned to the Ark after finding no place to land. One week later, the Dove was sent forth again and this time returned with an Olive leaf in it's beak.

Please explain HOW the Olive seed buried itself in the mud, germinated, and grew into a tree, and put forth it's leaves, in just ONE week. There is a very simple explanation. Let's see what your thoughts are BEFORE I tell you the answer.

In Love,
Aman

 

[florida2]

Dear Florida, Of course Scripture does NOT say the things which YOU would like it to say. God conceals His Truth (Pro 25:2 from unbelievers, and it takes years and years of study, and the help of the Holy Spirit to understand God's Holy Word. Unless one is born Spiritually, Scripture tells us that it's words are "Foolishness" to the unborn Spiritually. 1 Corinthians 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

My problem is that it doesn't say the things you would like it to say.

I've never heard anybody else spouting the theory of multiple Earths and random prehistoric people popping up (a fact which you've still haven't supported with scripture).

Plus the fact that there's absolutely no scientific evidence for it (which, by the way, is the whole theme of this section of the forum - going on and on about a theory which I have yet to witness many (or indeed any) others on here supporting does not refute cold, hard evidence presented to you.

You can choose to believe whatever you like on religious grounds - I have no problem with that. I have a problem when you starting calling scientific theories 'lies from the pits of hell' without any scientific basis. Choose not to agree with their ideas, but do not dismiss all their findings with such crass language - it does your image a great disservice.

 

[Aman777]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Florida, Of course Scripture does NOT say the things which YOU would like it to say. God conceals His Truth (Pro 25:2 from unbelievers, and it takes years and years of study, and the help of the Holy Spirit to understand God's Holy Word. Unless one is born Spiritually, Scripture tells us that it's words are "Foolishness" to the unborn Spiritually. 1 Corinthians 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
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My problem is that it doesn't say the things you would like it to say.

Dear Florida, Then it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. I've noticed that you have nothing to offer but disagreement. Be more specific and your problems will cease.

I've never heard anybody else spouting the theory of multiple Earths and random prehistoric people popping up (a fact which you've still haven't supported with scripture).

Do you always wait until you hear others agree before you make up your mind? Have you not seen that the frirst Heaven was made the 2nd Day? Gen. 1:6-8 Or that other Heavens were made the 3rd Day? Gen. 2:4 I will be happy to go over those verses with you.

Plus the fact that there's absolutely no scientific evidence for it (which, by the way, is the whole theme of this section of the forum - going on and on about a theory which I have yet to witness many (or indeed any) others on here supporting does not refute cold, hard evidence presented to you.

I see. You wish for scientists to tell you what to think. Right? Why don't tell us the cold, hard, evidence which YOU think has been presented to me which proves me wrong? You have shown NOTHING but questions. When do you think you will get around to actually posting YOUR evidence? I have waited and waited and I am beginning to think that you have NONE. Right?

You can choose to believe whatever you like on religious grounds - I have no problem with that. I have a problem when you starting calling scientific theories 'lies from the pits of hell' without any scientific basis. Choose not to agree with their ideas, but do not dismiss all their findings with such crass language - it does your image a great disservice.

It gets people who think they know everything to reply, and then you should be able to see that NONE of them can support the Lies of Evolution with ANY evidence of their own. Like you, they have nothing to offer but negative views. Why didn't you answer this question?

>>>>>Please explain HOW the Olive seed buried itself in the mud, germinated, and grew into a tree, and put forth it's leaves, in just ONE week. There is a very simple explanation. Let's see what your thoughts are BEFORE I tell you the answer.<<<<

Are you afraid that it's a trap? Or that it will show that YOUR view is in error? It's ok. Don't be afraid. I can't come through your Monitor and get you. Can I? Go ahead and stick your neck out for a change. I promise not to disagree unless I can show that you are in error, Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically.

So work the courage to actually give us evidence of How and When the neutral, unknowing, and unintelligent concept of evolution produced human intelligence in Apes, IF you can. Waiting...

In Love,
Aman

 

[florida2]

Originally Posted by Aman777

Dear Florida, Of course Scripture does NOT say the things which YOU would like it to say. God conceals His Truth (Pro 25:2 from unbelievers, and it takes years and years of study, and the help of the Holy Spirit to understand God's Holy Word. Unless one is born Spiritually, Scripture tells us that it's words are "Foolishness" to the unborn Spiritually. 1 Corinthians 2 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)
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Dear Florida, Then it should be easy for you to refute me Scripturally. I've noticed that you have nothing to offer but disagreement. Be more specific and your problems will cease.



Do you always wait until you hear others agree before you make up your mind? Have you not seen that the frirst Heaven was made the 2nd Day? Gen. 1:6-8 Or that other Heavens were made the 3rd Day? Gen. 2:4 I will be happy to go over those verses with you.



I see. You wish for scientists to tell you what to think. Right? Why don't tell us the cold, hard, evidence which YOU think has been presented to me which proves me wrong? You have shown NOTHING but questions. When do you think you will get around to actually posting YOUR evidence? I have waited and waited and I am beginning to think that you have NONE. Right?



It gets people who think they know everything to reply, and then you should be able to see that NONE of them can support the Lies of Evolution with ANY evidence of their own. Like you, they have nothing to offer but negative views. Why didn't you answer this question?

>>>>>Please explain HOW the Olive seed buried itself in the mud, germinated, and grew into a tree, and put forth it's leaves, in just ONE week. There is a very simple explanation. Let's see what your thoughts are BEFORE I tell you the answer.<<<<

Are you afraid that it's a trap? Or that it will show that YOUR view is in error? It's ok. Don't be afraid. I can't come through your Monitor and get you. Can I? Go ahead and stick your neck out for a change. I promise not to disagree unless I can show that you are in error, Scripturally, Scientifically, and Historically.

So work the courage to actually give us evidence of How and When the neutral, unknowing, and unintelligent concept of evolution produced human intelligence in Apes, IF you can. Waiting...

In Love,
Aman

Firstly, let's just be clear that I don't believe there was a world-wide flood nor do I believe your theory so the question about the olive tree is pointless. The answer might as well be Goddidit which is the only explanation for the rest of the story.

You still haven't shown any scriptural basis for this prehistoric people. You keep going on about other heavens and Earths but you haven't backed up your claim about the prehistoric people which, you claim, explains ERVs.

 

[Aman777]

Firstly, let's just be clear that I don't believe there was a world-wide flood nor do I believe your theory so the question about the olive tree is pointless. The answer might as well be Goddidit which is the only explanation for the rest of the story.

You still haven't shown any scriptural basis for this prehistoric people. You keep going on about other heavens and Earths but you haven't backed up your claim about the prehistoric people which, you claim, explains ERVs.

Dear Florida, Thanks for actually getting to specifics. Genesis 2:4-7 shows that the first Human was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the THIRD Day, and Genesis 1:21 shows that Natural man, or man who evolved from the water, (Prehistoric man according to Science) was made on the FIFTH Day. As you should be able to see prehistoric man was made AFTER the first Human was made, making it IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from prehistoric man. Right?

If you have problems understanding Genesis 2:4-7 here are the verses and my understanding.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

The plants and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Conclusion, Man was made of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day AFTER the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and rain. Right?

Here's Genesis 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" was made the FIFTH Day:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

IOW, EVERY living creature that moves was made 2 Days or Ages AFTER Adam was made. This includes the common ancestor of prehistoric man who "moveth" AND the prehistoric people who evolved from him.

The above is Scriptural evidence, which you have disagreed with. You also said you didn't believe the Flood story. Do you believe ANYthing in Scripture, or must you claim to be a NON Bible believer?

In Love,
Aman

 

[Aman777]

Aman:>>Please explain HOW the Olive seed buried itself in the mud, germinated, and grew into a tree, and put forth it's leaves, in just ONE week. There is a very simple explanation. Let's see what your thoughts are BEFORE I tell you the answer.

Firstly, let's just be clear that I don't believe there was a world-wide flood nor do I believe your theory so the question about the olive tree is pointless. The answer might as well be Goddidit which is the only explanation for the rest of the story.

Dear Readers, Since Florida chose to not answer the question, I will.

The Raven which flew away and did not return to the Ark simply flew to the shore of Lake Van, in the mountains of Ararat. Lake Van is the largest Lake in Turkey and provides plenty of room for the first Heaven to be placed into.

The Dove apparently also flew to the shore of Lake Van on his second try since the Olive Tree was already growing there with leaves on it. Some people CLAIM that the Ark was on top of Mt. Ararat, but that is a misunderstanding since there are two peaks of Mt .Ararat, (Lesser and Greater Ararat) and it couldn't have landed on Both.

Also, this view means that the Supreme Intelligence of Creation would have placed the Ark on top of a mountain INSTEAD of where a 450 foot Boat should be placed, and that is in a Big Lake, which is some 75 miles wide.

In Love,
Aman

 

[florida2]

Dear Florida, Thanks for actually getting to specifics. Genesis 2:4-7 shows that the first Human was "formed of the dust of the ground" on the THIRD Day, and Genesis 1:21 shows that Natural man, or man who evolved from the water, (Prehistoric man according to Science) was made on the FIFTH Day. As you should be able to see prehistoric man was made AFTER the first Human was made, making it IMPOSSIBLE for Humans to have evolved from prehistoric man. Right?

If you have problems understanding Genesis 2:4-7 here are the verses and my understanding.

4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,

The Earth was made the 3rd Day. Gen 1:9-10

5 And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

The plants and trees GREW on the 3rd Day. Gen 1:12

6 But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.
7 And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Conclusion, Man was made of the dust of the ground on the THIRD Day AFTER the Earth was made but BEFORE the plants, herbs, and rain. Right?

Here's Genesis 1:21 which shows that "every living creature that moveth" was made the FIFTH Day:

Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after His kind: and God saw that it was good.

IOW, EVERY living creature that moves was made 2 Days or Ages AFTER Adam was made. This includes the common ancestor of prehistoric man who "moveth" AND the prehistoric people who evolved from him.

The above is Scriptural evidence, which you have disagreed with. You also said you didn't believe the Flood story. Do you believe ANYthing in Scripture, or must you claim to be a NON Bible believer?

In Love,
Aman

You don't get it do you?

The Flood destroyed all life on the surface of the Earth according to the story. Therefore, after the waters receded the only life left to repopulate the Earth was that in the Ark which you claim did not include this prehistoric people. They must have either survived the Flood (which would directly contradict the Bible) or they were created after the Flood (which the Bible doesn't mention at all). Which is it?

Don't say that they existed on this other planet that Noah and the Ark were zapped to - how does that explanation fit in with the story?

 

[Aman777]

You don't get it do you?

Dear Florida, I do get it. It's YOU who has the problem. Not me.

The Flood destroyed all life on the surface of the Earth according to the story.

Yes. The Flood destroyed ALL life on the surface of Adam's world, but NOT our present Planet.

Therefore after the waters receded the only life left to repopulate the Earth was that in the Ark which you claim did not include this prehistoric people.

The prehistoric people were NOT on the Ark, but had been on our Planet for some 6 Million years BEFORE Noah arrived 10k years ago. They adapted or evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, EXACTLY as the ERVs and DNA inside the humans of today demonstrate.

They must have either survived the Flood (which would directly contradict the Bible) or they were created after the Flood (which the Bible doesn't mention at all). Which is it?

Neither, since they were already on the present Earth when Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat.

Don't say that they existed on this other planet that Noah and the Ark were zapped to - how does that explanation fit in with the story?

1. I did NOT say the Ark was "zapped" to our Earth.
2. Noah's grandsons could NOT have populated our Earth unless prehistoric people were already here when Noah arrived, because there were NO other people for Noah's grandsons to marry EXCEPT the prehistoric people who were already here.
3. The DNA and ERVs inside all humans today PROVES that todays humans inherited our DNA from these prehistoric people, who had the same common ancestor as Apes.
4. The Human intelligence, which is inside EVERY Human today, came from Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Planet, since he lived in the enclosed Biosphere of the first world.
5. The first world, the firmament or Universe of Adam. was a completely sealed Biosphere, which was floating in Lake Van UNTIL the windows on high were opened. The 40 day rain filled the enclosed firmament or Boundary of the first Universe with water and it sank, completely "dissolving" the first Earth. Isaiah 24:19
6. Noah, in his Big 450 foot Barge, which was covered to keep it from filling with water, escaped from the firmament or boundary of the First world, and entered our 2nd world, on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Remember that the Ark was above the highest hills of the first world on the SAME 150th day after the Flood began. Gen. 7 No zapping necessary.
7.The Legend of Atlantis probably came from the story of the Flood.
8. That's God's Truth which completely destroys the False ToE. We did NOT evolve from Apes, but from our own common ancestor, whose name was Adam. He had the Highest intelligence in Creation, which was like God's. Gen. 3:22 Compared to the prehistoric people Adam was a Giant intellectually. Gen. 6:4
9. Secular History agrees that Human civilization on this Earth had its origin in Northern Mesopotamia, in the valleys, just south of the mountains of Ararat, EXACTLY as God told us. The first Human cities on this Planet are the same cities listed in Gen. 10:10, and which can be examined TODAY.
10. This knowledge refutes the False Theory of Evolution since the ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from Apes. This is impossible since Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was made, some 4.53 Billion years ago. Prehistoric people evolved the Human intelligence of Adam, but Humans did NOT evolve from Apes. That's God's Truth.

Now, it's your time to try and explain HOW and WHEN it could have happened ANY other way. I don't think you can, but go ahead and try.

In love,
Aman

 

[BarryDesborough]

Dear Florida, I do get it. It's YOU who has the problem. Not me.

Yes. The Flood destroyed ALL life on the surface of Adam's world, but NOT our present Planet.



The prehistoric people were NOT on the Ark, but had been on our Planet for some 6 Million years BEFORE Noah arrived 10k years ago. They adapted or evolved from the common ancestor of Apes, EXACTLY as the ERVs and DNA inside the humans of today demonstrate.


Neither, since they were already on the present Earth when Noah arrived in the mountains of Ararat.



1. I did NOT say the Ark was "zapped" to our Earth.
2. Noah's grandsons could NOT have populated our Earth unless prehistoric people were already here when Noah arrived, because there were NO other people for Noah's grandsons to marry EXCEPT the prehistoric people who were already here.
3. The DNA and ERVs inside all humans today PROVES that todays humans inherited our DNA from these prehistoric people, who had the same common ancestor as Apes.
4. The Human intelligence, which is inside EVERY Human today, came from Adam, who NEVER stepped foot on this Planet, since he lived in the enclosed Biosphere of the first world.
5. The first world, the firmament or Universe of Adam. was a completely sealed Biosphere, which was floating in Lake Van UNTIL the windows on high were opened. The 40 day rain filled the enclosed firmament or Boundary of the first Universe with water and it sank, completely "dissolving" the first Earth. Isaiah 24:19
6. Noah, in his Big 450 foot Barge, which was covered to keep it from filling with water, escaped from the firmament or boundary of the First world, and entered our 2nd world, on the 150th day AFTER the Flood began. Remember that the Ark was above the highest hills of the first world on the SAME 150th day after the Flood began. Gen. 7 No zapping necessary.
7.The Legend of Atlantis probably came from the story of the Flood.
8. That's God's Truth which completely destroys the False ToE. We did NOT evolve from Apes, but from our own common ancestor, whose name was Adam. He had the Highest intelligence in Creation, which was like God's. Gen. 3:22 Compared to the prehistoric people Adam was a Giant intellectually. Gen. 6:4
9. Secular History agrees that Human civilization on this Earth had its origin in Northern Mesopotamia, in the valleys, just south of the mountains of Ararat, EXACTLY as God told us. The first Human cities on this Planet are the same cities listed in Gen. 10:10, and which can be examined TODAY.
10. This knowledge refutes the False Theory of Evolution since the ToE falsely teaches that we evolved from Apes. This is impossible since Adam was made Billions of years BEFORE our Earth was made, some 4.53 Billion years ago. Prehistoric people evolved the Human intelligence of Adam, but Humans did NOT evolve from Apes. That's God's Truth.

Now, it's your time to try and explain HOW and WHEN it could have happened ANY other way. I don't think you can, but go ahead and try.

In love,
Aman

Flood? Never happened.

 

[Aman777]

Flood? Never happened.

Dear Barry, You are using the thoughts of a man and NOT God's Holy Word in a desperate attempt to support your own views. At the beginning of your link I find that it is YOU who is disagreeing with God.

The link shows that it is YOU who continues to support this man's view. From the site: >>>Barry Desborough, January 2013<<<Why don't you just post your own view instead of linking us to another man's views, which he no longer supports?In Love,Aman​