Hell: I am not seeing eternal torment in the scriptures

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Yeah, you're going to find out that your God's definition of "destruction" is totally different than what satan says it is ;)
Of course, when God says "destruction" He can't possibly mean "destruction". That would foul up your sect's doctrine, and God can't be allowed to do that! So just make "destruction" mean something else, like maybe "eternal life under torture" and you're home and dry. Hey, redefine the whole Bible and you can have your own custom religion and claim that "It's what Jesus said Himself!"

That is, if you're a really conscienceless liar. ;)
 
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WHY are any of us trying to explain why Jesus says what He says.
When in fact you don't believe what He said at all, but instead believe that He meant something entirely different than what He said? Why indeed?

.. as opposed to simply taking Him at His Word
By redefining the words and claiming that's what He really meant, right? Right.

Surely you folks have figured out by now that He IS Lord
Yeah, but what you folks seem to believe is that, drat the luck, He jjust couldn't manage to say what He meant, an requires you to reinterpret what He said to get the "correct meaning" out of it. Right?

torment will last forever as Jesus has said it would.
Actually He said no such thing; that;s just what your sect wishes He'd said.

I'll say it again... it IS a problem for the Lord when people choose to not believe what He says
Like saying that "death" doesn't mean "death" and "destroy doesn't mean "destroy"? Like you, you mean?

If you look around the Word of God... He does not take too kindly to unbelief.
Unbelief in your claptrap is altogether laudable.
 
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See there... the boy doesn't know what punishment is
Which is... whatever you say it is! Right?

Punishment is pain, especially when it's in the place Jesus said was created for satan and his angels!
Gotta citation for that arglebargle, GG, or jjust making it up as you go again?

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
And there's that "death" that doesn't really mean "death" again, right? Just out of curiosity, what is your first language?
 
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Like I've been saying... some folks just refuse to accept what Jesus says!
You mean like those of you who have to claim that He said stuff that He really did not to shore up your ridiculous unbiblical doctrines? Yeah, so I noticed.

Some er just gonna have to find out fo themselves
Yep, so you shall.

Let us know how that works out, if you can.
 
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I believe, like you said, there is overwhelming scriptural evidence that the wicked will indeed be consumed eventually, destroyed, turned to ash. This is the "second death". The result is eternal because there is no resurrecting from the second death. Also it wouldn't make sense that God would torment all the wicked eternally no matter how great or small their wickedness was. God is justice but God is also mercy. Not to mention sin itself must be eradicated. A sinner living forever, being tortured, cursing God is an eternity of sin. God promises to put an end to ALL suffering and all sin.
 
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I believe, like you said, there is overwhelming scriptural evidence that the wicked will indeed be consumed eventually, destroyed, turned to ash. This is the "second death". The result is eternal because there is no resurrecting from the second death. Also it wouldn't make sense that God would torment all the wicked eternally no matter how great or small their wickedness was. God is justice but God is also mercy. Not to mention sin itself must be eradicated. A sinner living forever, being tortured, cursing God is an eternity. God promises to put an end to ALL suffering and all sin.
I agree with all that, but my primary reason for rejecting eternal torture is that believing it requires too much redefining of words to make it believable. I'll leave that to folks like GG who are willing to "redefine" or "interpret" away anything in the Bible that they fear contradicts some ill-founded belief that they hold. Until I have that scrupilectomy operation, I'm not willing to jut change meanings on the fly and say "Jesus said.." in reference to stuff that Jesus didn't say.
 
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I believe, like you said, there is overwhelming scriptural evidence that the wicked will indeed be consumed eventually, destroyed, turned to ash. This is the "second death". The result is eternal because there is no resurrecting from the second death. Also it wouldn't make sense that God would torment all the wicked eternally no matter how great or small their wickedness was. God is justice but God is also mercy. Not to mention sin itself must be eradicated. A sinner living forever, being tortured, cursing God is an eternity of sin. God promises to put an end to ALL suffering and all sin.

No one dies in second death.
 
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The bible tells us satan dwells in the church and I give you one guess where hellfire teschings came from. Lol thats right ......The church

God's Judgments are related to ages, not eternities. His Judgments have a beginning and an ending. The end result of "aionion/eonian/age-abiding" God’s Judgments result in righteousness, and salvation Isaiah 26:9, I Tim. 2:4, and many many other verses.

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired you in the night; yes, with my spirit within me will I seek you early: for when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness
1tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Satan has his seat in the church.
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; 'These things says He which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where you dwell, even where Satan's seat is and you should hold fast My Name, and have not denied My faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells (Rev. 2:12-13).

The dwelling place and throne of Satan the Devil is located IN THE CHURCH OF GOD. For those that say no well here is some more proofs.

1. 2chron 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets, and the LORD has spoken evil against you.

2. 1kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets, and the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.

3. 2chron 18:21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, You shall entice him, and you shall also prevail: go out, and do even so.

4. 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

5. 2 pet 2 1 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies.

By the way hellfire is one of those damnable heresies.

6. 2cor 11 13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ

7. Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

8. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

9. Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

10. Jer 50:6 My people has been lost sheep: their shepherds [teachers/preachers] have caused them to go astray,

The churches are full of ravening wolves in sheeps clothing.
Satan’s throne is the wordly churches and people tell me I need church. Ya right! When pigs fly.
 
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I hope no one gets mad over my post above I only quoted scriptures. And the reason I say no one dies in second death is because its not man that dies a second time. Its his wicked evil carnal nature that dies or is done away with. He himself however shall be saved. He will still exist he only goes from sinful nature to a sinfree nature. that's all.
 
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I hope no one gets mad over my post above I only quoted scriptures. And the reason I say no one dies in second death is because its not man that dies a second time. Its his wicked evil carnal nature that dies or is done away with. He himself however shall be saved. He will still exist he only goes from sinful nature to a sinfree nature. that's all.

After the sinful are punished, see Matt 25:46, for a shorter or longer period will they just automatically love God who caused them to be punished? When is their sinful nature changed, before or after their punishment? Where is the scripture which states this?

When criminals, with a sinful nature, are punished in this world do they love the judges, juries, lawyers, etc. who did this to them of do they blame everybody but themselves, even seeking revenge? Why would the sinful, with that same nature, being punished by God respond any differently?

After the sinful are punished, do they remember the punishment, or does God wipe their memories. If so what was the purpose of the punishment, if they don't remember it?
 
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I hope no one gets mad over my post above I only quoted scriptures. And the reason I say no one dies in second death is because its not man that dies a second time. Its his wicked evil carnal nature that dies or is done away with. He himself however shall be saved. He will still exist he only goes from sinful nature to a sinfree nature. that's all.
It means exactly what it says...read on....
Rev 2:11
He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

2 Thess 1:3; Act 2:20; Isa_4:5
Hence, the apostles warning that the day would not come unless the falling away came first, a warning much needed in these days when it was widely taught that the day of the Lord will not come until the world is converted to Christ!.
Christ = the Lord as the texts. The day of Christ is the day of v. 1 Cp. Phil 1:10, 2:16. The day of the Lord is the day of O.T. prophecy. see Isa. 2:12
The Companion Bible Page 1792
1 Thess 5:2-6 First reason. Because (gar) they knew already the character of the day of the Lord

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

SUBJECT: The apostle continues the practical teaching of the earlier letter, exhorts, and warns, illustrating a testament history, while himself foretelling the condition of the :last days", "the day of judgement", The day of the God"...of the Lord is the day of O.T. prophecy. see Isa. 2:12
The Companion Bible Page 1792


There was, indeed, a certain risk of demoralization setting in at the close of the apostolic age as soon as it began to be suspected that the day of the Lord was not to come, as had been generally anticipated, in the first Christian generation. Bruce Kingdom of God
John 5:21 Cook, The Holy Bible Page 17

And the slain of the Lord shall be many - The number of those who shall be consigned to woe shall be immense - though in the winding up of the great drama at the close of the world, there is reason to hope that a large proportion of the race, taken as a whole, will be saved. [BARNES] However...read on...
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Isaiah 66:15-16 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Rather, "With fire will Jehovah judge, and with His sword (He will judge) all flesh." The parallelism and collocation of the Hebrew words favor this (Isa_65:12)[JFB]

and the slain of the Lord shall be many
Eze_39:12 and in the battle between the Christian princes, Christ at the head of them, and the antichristian armies, led on by the beast and the kings of the earth; when the fowls of the air will be invited to the great supper of the Lord, to eat the flesh of kings, captains, and mighty men, so great will the slaughter be, Rev_19:17, see also Isa_11:13. [GILL]

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. for this is not to be understood of going out of Jerusalem literally, as Aben Ezra and Kimchi; or of their going out of their graves after the resurrection, as others; but either out of the Christian assemblies, or out of the houses of the saints, and the beloved city, when fire shall come down from heaven, and destroy the wicked, Rev_20:9,

and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me.
it may have reference to the carcasses of Gog's army, the Turks, that will be slain in their attempt to recover Judea,
Eze_38:1 or else the carcasses of those that will be slain at the battle at Armageddon, Rev_16:16 or the army of Gog and Magog, at the end of the thousand years, Rev_20:8. [GILL]

This entire passage is applied by the Saviour to future punishment; and is the fearful image which he employs to denote the final suffering of the wicked in hell [BARNES]

It shall not be inconsistent with true love for the godly to look with satisfaction on God’s vengeance on the wicked (Rev_14:10) [JFB]

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
 
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Post whattever you want :)

I already have but you ignored it like you do with most of my posts. Guess my posts are too hard for you to deal with, so out of sight out of mind.
 
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I already have but you ignored it like you do with most of my posts. Guess my posts are too hard for you to deal with, so out of sight out of mind.
WHO ignores posts?

Rev 2:11He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

Jud 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Isa 65:17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind. 18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.

2 Thess 1:3; Act 2:20; Isa_4:5
Hence, the apostles warning that the day would not come unless the falling away came first, a warning much needed in these days when it was widely taught that the day of the Lord will not come until the world is converted to Christ!.
Christ = the Lord as the texts. The day of Christ is the day of v. 1 Cp. Phil 1:10, 2:16. The day of the Lord is the day of O.T. prophecy. see Isa. 2:12
The Companion Bible Page 1792
1 Thess 5:2-6 First reason. Because (gar) they knew already the character of the day of the Lord

2Pe 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

SUBJECT: The apostle continues the practical teaching of the earlier letter, exhorts, and warns, illustrating a testament history, while himself foretelling the condition of the :last days", "the day of judgement", The day of the God"...of the Lord is the day of O.T. prophecy. see Isa. 2:12
The Companion Bible Page 1792


There was, indeed, a certain risk of demoralization setting in at the close of the apostolic age as soon as it began to be suspected that the day of the Lord was not to come, as had been generally anticipated, in the first Christian generation. Bruce Kingdom of God
John 5:21 Cook, The Holy Bible Page 17

And the slain of the Lord shall be many - The number of those who shall be consigned to woe shall be immense - though in the winding up of the great drama at the close of the world, there is reason to hope that a large proportion of the race, taken as a whole, will be saved. [BARNES] However...read on...
Mat 7:13Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wideisthe gate, and broadisthe way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14Because straitisthe gate, and narrowisthe way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

Isaiah 66:15-16 For, behold, the LORD will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. 16 For by fire and by his sword will the LORD plead with all flesh: and the slain of the LORD shall be many.
Rather, "With fire will Jehovah judge, and with His sword (He will judge) all flesh." The parallelism and collocation of the Hebrew words favor this (Isa_65:12)[JFB]

and the slain of the Lord shall be many
Eze_39:12 and in the battle between the Christian princes, Christ at the head of them, and the antichristian armies, led on by the beast and the kings of the earth; when the fowls of the air will be invited to the great supper of the Lord, to eat the flesh of kings, captains, and mighty men, so great will the slaughter be, Rev_19:17, see also Isa_11:13. [GILL]

2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. for this is not to be understood of going out of Jerusalem literally, as Aben Ezra and Kimchi; or of their going out of their graves after the resurrection, as others; but either out of the Christian assemblies, or out of the houses of the saints, and the beloved city, when fire shall come down from heaven, and destroy the wicked, Rev_20:9,

and look upon the carcasses of the men that have transgressed against me.
it may have reference to the carcasses of Gog's army, the Turks, that will be slain in their attempt to recover Judea,
Eze_38:1 or else the carcasses of those that will be slain at the battle at Armageddon, Rev_16:16 or the army of Gog and Magog, at the end of the thousand years, Rev_20:8. [GILL]

This entire passage is applied by the Saviour to future punishment; and is the fearful image which he employs to denote the final suffering of the wicked in hell [BARNES]

It shall not be inconsistent with true love for the godly to look with satisfaction on God’s vengeance on the wicked (Rev_14:10) [JFB]

Jer 3:17 At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem: neither shall they walk any more after the imagination of their evil heart.
 
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God's Judgments are related to ages, not eternities. His Judgments have a beginning and an ending. The end result of "aionion/eonian/age-abiding" God’s Judgments result in righteousness, and salvation Isaiah 26:9, I Tim. 2:4, and many many other verses.

Wrong! The Greek word aion does mean eternal, everlasting, unending, etc. But everybody with a Strong's thinks they are Greek experts.

Once again for you to ignore, because it proves you wrong, my back to back posts citing nine irrefutable Greek language sources which show that aion does mean eternal, etc.

[post=63469310]Greek sources-[size=+1]αιον[/size]/aion def.[/post]

Isa 26:9 With my soul have I desired you in the night; yes, with my spirit within me will I seek you early: for when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness
1tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

Cherry picking scripture, a verse from the OT and a verse from the NT, about 800 years later, jam them togther as if they both refer to the same thing.

Satan has his seat in the church.
And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; 'These things says He which hath the sharp sword with two edges; I know thy works, and where you dwell, even where Satan's seat is and you should hold fast My Name, and have not denied My faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells (Rev. 2:12-13).

The dwelling place and throne of Satan the Devil is located IN THE CHURCH OF GOD. For those that say no well here is some more proofs.

WRONG! Scripture twisting at its very worst. Rev 2:12-13 refers to one church, the church at Pergamos, in what is modern day Turkey, at the time of John. Not all churches of all ages. Read the other seven letters in Revelation, none of them are called the throne of satan.

You do know that the first part of Revelaton was written to seven churches don't you. And this one letter says nothing about the other churches mentioned in the Bible, Jerusalem, Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica, Philippi, etc. But I guess that doesn't matter take that one verse and smear all the churches throughout the ages.

1. 2chron 18:22 Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of these your prophets, and the LORD has spoken evil against you.

2. 1kings 22:23 Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets, and the LORD has spoken evil concerning you.

3. 2chron 18:21 And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the Lord said, You shall entice him, and you shall also prevail: go out, and do even so.

More scripture twisting! These verses only refer to certain OT prophets. 2 Chr 18:21-22 and 1 Kings 22:23 "these your Prophets" sent to king Ahab. Not all prophets of all times.

4. 1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

That is correct and there are many unscriptural later theological systems around today started by false teachers.

5. 2 pet 2 1 1But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privately shall bring in damnable heresies.

By the way hellfire is one of those damnable heresies.

The false prophets of the NT are not the same as the false teachers of the NT. If hellfire was such a damnable heresy Jesus would not have mentioned it several times. Matt 3:12, 5:22, 13:42, 50, 18:8, 9, 25:41, Mar 9:43-48, 5:41,

6. 2cor 11 13-15 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

7. Matt 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

8. 2 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

9. Matt 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; so that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

10. Jer 50:6 My people has been lost sheep: their shepherds [teachers/preachers] have caused them to go astray,

All true but none of the vss. identify who the false teachers, etc. are. I can show from scripture that these verses refer to all the religious groups which have grown up since the 19th century. And they all share one thing, they attack the historical church. They all claim that the church has been wrong for 1800-2000 years and only they have the true truth.

The churches are full of ravening wolves in sheeps clothing.
Satan’s throne is the wordly churches and people tell me I need church. Ya right! When pigs fly.

The Bible, not people, tells everyone that they need the teaching of the church. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is." Heb 10:25. There are groups which call themselves churches that are full of ravening wolves and they are less than 150 years old.

All the hellfire believers please refer to post 709 for why your teaching is false.

I just did in this post and proved you wrong on everything. None of your out-of-context proof texts prove anything about anybody, living or dead. The one about ravening wolves in sheep's clothing could well be you.
 
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Wrong! The Greek word aion does mean eternal, everlasting, unending, etc. But everybody with a Strong's thinks they are Greek experts.

Once again for you to ignore, because it proves you wrong, my back to back posts citing nine irrefutable Greek language sources which show that aion does mean eternal, etc.

[post=63469310]Greek sources-[SIZE=+1]αιον[/SIZE]/aion def.[/post]



Cherry picking scripture, a verse from the OT and a verse from the NT, about 800 years later, jam them togther as if they both refer to the same thing.



WRONG! Scripture twisting at its very worst. Rev 2:12-13 refers to one church, the church at Pergamos, in what is modern day Turkey, at the time of John. Not all churches of all ages. Read the other seven letters in Revelation, none of them are called the throne of satan.

You do know that the first part of Revelaton was written to seven churches don't you. And this one letter says nothing about the other churches mentioned in the Bible, Jerusalem, Rome, Corinth, Thessalonica, Philippi, etc. But I guess that doesn't matter take that one verse and smear all the churches throughout the ages.



More scripture twisting! These verses only refer to certain OT prophets. 2 Chr 18:21-22 and 1 Kings 22:23 "these your Prophets" sent to king Ahab. Not all prophets of all times.



That is correct and there are many unscriptural later theological systems around today started by false teachers.



The false prophets of the NT are not the same as the false teachers of the NT. If hellfire was such a damnable heresy Jesus would not have mentioned it several times. Matt 3:12, 5:22, 13:42, 50, 18:8, 9, 25:41, Mar 9:43-48, 5:41,



All true but none of the vss. identify who the false teachers, etc. are. I can show from scripture that these verses refer to all the religious groups which have grown up since the 19th century. And they all share one thing, they attack the historical church. They all claim that the church has been wrong for 1800-2000 years and only they have the true truth.



The Bible, not people, tells everyone that they need the teaching of the church. "Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is." Heb 10:25. There are groups which call themselves churches that are full of ravening wolves and they are less than 150 years old.



I just did in this post and proved you wrong on everything. None of your out-of-context proof texts prove anything about anybody, living or dead. The one about ravening wolves in sheep's clothing could well be you.


Im not wrong. And I will also tell you your hellfire teachings go against the entire bible. Study more. You need to start all over with your studies.

How is your teaching that God is gonna set his enemies on a literal fire all while telling us to love our enemies. Arent we suppose to be following Christ. What do you think would happen to you if you set your enemies on fire becuaes you wanted to follow Christ? You think the courts would buy it and set you free?

How many times does God have to tell you the preachers are liars before you will comprehend it. you sir do not have ears to hear.
 
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Wrong! The Greek word aion does mean eternal, everlasting, unending, etc. But everybody with a Strong's thinks they are Greek experts.
Mr. Expert, Do you have a BAG Lexicon?

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]ὄλεθρος Eternal death BAG R566 2Thess 1:9 and Perseus Dictionary Entry (Liddell and Scott [and Jones]'s Greek-English Lexicon, 9th ed., 1925-1940) [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][FONT=Tahoma, sans-serif]the cheat, the pest! Id.21.209; [/FONT][/FONT]
 
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