Confused about the commandment that was "abolished." (2)

[MoreCoffee]

Originally Posted by MoreCoffee
Chuckle chuckle. You make a good point but I wonder if the real purpose of this thread is to urge everybody to keep Saturday as sabbath and to insist that anybody who does not is a law breaker and so under judgement.

Lol. How dare one provoke Gods mercy. Satan did.

Why did you laugh?

 

[astein]

Why did you laugh?

Ought to obey? God is all.

 

[astein]

Why did you laugh?

Is laughing not allowed there? God laughs.

 

[MoreCoffee]

Ought to obey? God is all.

God calls for perfection so one ought to be perfect nevertheless who on Earth is?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Is laughing not allowed there? God laughs.

I know of two passages where God is said to laugh, he laughs in derision. 'lol' seems to follow that tradition when it is a prefix to some set of remarks.

Psalm 2:4 The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them,
Psalm 37:13 But the LORD laughs at them, knowing their day is coming.​

 

[astein]

I know of two passages where God is said to laugh, he laughs in derision. 'lol' seems to follow that tradition when it is a prefix to some set of remarks.

Psalm 2:4 The one enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord derides them,
Psalm 37:13 But the LORD laughs at them, knowing their day is coming.
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Your still questioning how come I laughed? Or have you figured it out?

If "their" day is coming, who doubts?

 

[x141]

God calls for perfection so one ought to be perfect nevertheless who on Earth is?

Isn't this another form of keeping the law which by man cannot be kept ... like keeping a garden that God knew afore-hand could not be kept.

The process of this brings us to the end of self.

He is our identity, and why God fills everything everywhere with himself.

 

[Clare73]

You're running from my question. It's a simple yes or no: are you saying that Christians are free to break the 10 commandments?
Yes or no? Why do you keep refusing to give a straight answer?

I do not agree with the suppostion/assumption of your question,

that to be free from the Mosaic Law (1Co 9:20; Ro 6:14, 7:6; Gal 3:23-25, 4:21, 5:18)

is to be free from the Ten Commandments (1Co 9:21; Ro 13:8-10).

 

[WarriorAngel]

Simplified...

It went from what was best for man's body - to what was best for his soul/spirit.

 

[MamaZ]

Lol. In God is perfection. Agree or disagree?

Yes in God is perfection. That is why I asked the question. Have you kept them completely? Never broke a one?

 

[TruthWarrior]

They don;t even keep the Sabbath that they claim to worship . And , that is a part of the stone tablets they adore .

How can they even know *how* to keep the 10 without the rest of the Law ? Paul does not seperate the 10 from the Law - and he knew more about the Law than these Lawchangers and Lawbreakers would ever know .

Not true at all. Paul DOES make a distinction:

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters (1 Corinthians 7:19).

The 10 commandments are COMMANDMENTS! Nothing could be more simple to understand. Paul makes a distinction between the commandments of God and the ceremonial laws.

 

[TruthWarrior]

Isn't this another form of keeping the law which by man cannot be kept ... like keeping a garden that God knew afore-hand could not be kept.

The process of this brings us to the end of self.

He is our identity, and why God fills everything everywhere with himself.

Just because man cannot keep the law perfectly doesn't mean we are free to break the 10 commandments without repenting.

 

[TruthWarrior]

I do not agree with the suppostion/assumption of your question,

that to be free from the Mosaic Law (1Co 9:20; Ro 6:14, 7:6; Gal 3:23-25, 4:21, 5:18)

is to be free from the Ten Commandments (1Co 9:21; Ro 13:8-10).

So you're saying it's okay for Christians to violate the 10 commandments? Are you sure about that?

 

[MoreCoffee]

Isn't this another form of keeping the law which by man cannot be kept ... like keeping a garden that God knew afore-hand could not be kept.

The process of this brings us to the end of self.

He is our identity, and why God fills everything everywhere with himself.

Yes, keeping the law drives an honest hearted person to acknowledge that they've failed. Having failed such a person seeks for mercy because the law cannot forgive sins in such a way that one's conscience is cleared. And mercy is found only in Jesus Christ. It is through faith in him, the kind of faith that brings union with him, that one will obtain the hope of everlasting life in the resurrection.

 

[x141]

Just because man cannot keep the law perfectly doesn't mean we are free to break the 10 commandments without repenting.

Sabbaths without passover are not unto rest, Jesus kept both the sabbath and the passover by becoming it on a cross, a high, as well as a weekly sabbath, so to speak, and therfore as a seed cast into the earth, and is a picture of something now coming forth in us. We should keep the feasts, but they are internal and bring forth this Life of the Son in us.

In scritpure, images linked with the 2nd day are always a day of preparation and come in many forms.

In saying, if you think it is a sin not to, then it is a sin to you, but each of us die for our own, so that we come to the undsertand that we die for each other.


For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbath ('s), and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. (Rev 14:4)

 

[GladiatorforGod]

Not true at all. Paul DOES make a distinction:

Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters (1 Corinthians 7:19).

The 10 commandments are COMMANDMENTS! Nothing could be more simple to understand. Paul makes a distinction between the commandments of God and the ceremonial laws.

Amen, Bro!

 

[x141]

Yes, keeping the law drives an honest hearted person to acknowledge that they've failed. Having failed such a person seeks for mercy because the law cannot forgive sins in such a way that one's conscience is cleared. And mercy is found only in Jesus Christ. It is through faith in him, the kind of faith that brings union with him, that one will obtain the hope of everlasting life in the resurrection.

and, it is in him ... that we now live, this is the truth that sets you free.

 

[shturt678]

So should we at least make an effort to keep the 10 commandments or should we deliberately break them?

Make every effort to keep the two Greatest Commandments, including Deut.6:4, 5.

However first and foremost understand the 10 along with the rest of the O. and N. Testament law, turning from sin to the Greatest Commandments in faith.

Since the 10 was fulfilled in Christ (Gal.3;19; Matt.5:17), we are going to obey the Greatest Commandments and intentionally break the Sabbath Commandment, unintentionally the others, so not to bring Jesus down from the Cross, weakening his Gospel power accomplished at the Cross. (Col.2:16, etc. has something to do with this).

 

[Clare73]

You're running from my question. It's a simple yes or no: are you saying that Christians are free to break the 10 commandments?
Yes or no? Why do you keep refusing to give a straight answer?

I do not agree with the suppostion/assumption of your question,

that to be free from the Mosaic Law (1Co 9:20; Ro 6:14, 7:6; Gal 3:23-25, 4:21, 5:18)

is to be free from the Ten Commandments (1Co 9:21; Ro 13:8-10).

So you're saying it's okay for Christians to violate the 10 commandments? Are you sure about that?

Okay, guy. . .slow down and read it again.

 

[Sophrosyne]

The idea of Gentile Christians violating the 10 commandments is akin to saying that we should court marshal civilians for breaking navy laws.