GarfieldJL
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Dude, the government IS the people. Didn't you ever read the Constitution?
The Constitution was also written to prevent people from giving up their rights in a panic...
Who said it was arbitrary?
See, here's the difference, if you missed it: there is NO proper usage of a car that includes hitting a person with it. That is not the case with a gun, as hitting your intended target (which may or may not be a person) IS the proper usage.
Hitting deer with a car isn't exactly the proper usage of an automobile either... Shooting a deer for meat is a proper use of a firearm...
What part of: "shall not be infringed..." do you not understand.
Yup. And I have no problem with any gun that has no one touching the trigger. Problem is, people buy them and do that.
Most people that own firearms do not want to shoot anyone, if they get a gun for self-defense then they are praying they never will have to use it in such a manner.
Gun owners are not bloodthirsty maniacs, and firearms are not inheritly good or evil.
Whether or not I, personally, can tell the difference doesn't matter. I'm not writing the legislation.
Problem is the people writing the legislation have the same level of knowledge or lack thereof that you do...
And my personal knowledge about guns doesn't change the point, which is that it isn't an "essential liberty" to have unfettered and absolute access to any and all forms of weaponry. Your liberty and right to bear arms is intact even if certain types of weapons are banned or limited. Same logic for why you can't have a nuclear weapon.
A nuclear weapon would not be considered arms as covered under the 2nd Amendment...
Btw, as interesting as the picture of someone taking a canon to go hunting is, fact of the matter is that a canon is an artillery piece...
I don't, and further, I don't care.
Which is why you don't have any credibility on the subject. A civilian AR-15 is a semi-automatic, not an automatic weapon. The fact the internal components are incompatible, means that the civilian version cannot be turned into an automatic weapon...
Not really. The only difference would be time. A knife killer needs more time to kill the same number of victims as someone with an automatic weapon.
Actually it has more to do with proficiency with the weapon as well as some key differences. While yes an AR-15 (the civilian version is not an automatic weapon btw) could rack up a larger body count in a short timeframe, generally you have the issue of noise, additionally someone with no proficiency with an AR 15 could empty an entire clip/magazine/etc. and not hit anyone... From a practical standpoint, a person using a knife actually can rack up a larger body count than a person with a gun, because a knife doesn't leave forensic evidence all over the place for starters...
I did no such thing.
Actually you kinda did when you brought up the Newton Shooter, whom clearly had something more going on than Autism... People on the spectrum are more apt to be the victims of violent crimes than the one whom committed the crime.
Then take it up with your elected representatives. That's why you voted for them.
My elected Representatives (at least the ones I voted for) are not supporting this stupid piece of legislation...
Okay. And what about the guns in the hands of Americans who are murdering Americans with them?
Assuming it wasn't a case of self defense, isn't it already a crime to murder someone? Charge them with murder, just like you'd charge someone who stabbed someone to death with a knife...
Far as I can tell, all polls yield similar results, so it seems the idea is put forth pretty clearly in all cases.
Which tells us nothing as to what the people were actually asked...
Care to offer specifics on that?
The promises regarding Obamacare, the promise to bring people to justice concerning Benghazi...
And I would argue that arming first grade teachers is insane.
I wasn't aware that the Principal for instance was a 1st grade teacher... Also sometimes school officials are retired police officers, whom are supposed to have training as to how to use a firearm...
Neither will a lot of bystanders.
That explains why that person in that theatre in Colorado, that had a concealed firearm didn't gun down a bunch of people... In fact he didn't pull the trigger because he couldn't get a clear shot at the maniac going on a bloody rampage (and police were very lucky to later not be blown up by the bombs that nut had rigged to explode)...
People with conceal & carry permits don't go around thinking they can start acting like a gunslinger from an old western, rather than insulting them, maybe you should give them enough credit that they know how to handle a gun in a responsible fashion...
Again, if you're suggesting arming first grade teachers, I think you've watched too many Die Hard movies.
Uh none of the Die Hard movies had the main character teaching a class of 1st Graders... Are you by chance thinking of Kindergarden Cop?
There have to be better ideas than that.
Actually I was thinking of people in the Main Office having guns, not 1st grade teachers...
Uh, yeah, I know. My point is...he isn't.
He's the Mayor of Chicago.
As such, his opinion matters about as much as Tom Menino's does.
Except Obama follows the same strategy...
What, you never heard of sarcasm?
That sure didn't look like sarcasm...
Still got nothin' on the emotional blackmail used by anti-abortion advocates.
You're right, at least the pro-lifers are proposing things that would actually save the lives of children and are being intellectually honest...
So, basically, it's a zero sum game.
First you say pro-lifers are even worse about using emotional blackmail, then you're saying the two are the same... Uh aren't you kinda contradicting yourself again...
Let's not forget, the Bush Administration tried something similar too. So while I don't disagree that it was a bad idea, the Obama administration doesn't have a monopoly on bad ideas.
Maybe you should do your homework before making such claims... To claim Operation Wide Receiver was the same as Fast & Furious is downright laughable.
- Wide Receiver had GPS tracking devices implanted in the guns, Fast & Furious did not.
- The Mexican Government was well aware of Wide Receiver, but they were left completely in the dark regarding Fast & Furious
- ATF agents were not ordered to halt their tracking of firearms carried by known smugglers in Wide Receiver, a stark difference from Fast & Furious.
- When guns started disappearing in Wide Receiver, the program was immediately shut down so as not to endanger the general public. Fast & Furious on the other hand was continued even when thousands of guns had gone missing...
-- A2SG, and further, since it illustrates how bad an idea it is to have more guns out there, it doesn't exactly help your case....
Saying that making it easier for law abiding citizens to have guns is remotely equivalent to deliberately giving a couple thousand guns to drug cartels, is more than a little dishonest, don't you think...
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