The beast once was and now is

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The Jews left Europe. Which means they cannot be the little horn. The little horn is from a different territory from the likes of Poland and Eastern Europe.

The little horn is from one of the four breakup kingdoms of the Greek Empire. Daniel 8:8-9. Here's a map. I copied and pasted the information from wikipeida.

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blue - Kingdom of Ptolemy I Soter
green - Kingdom of Cassander
brown - Kingdom of Lysimachus
yellow - Kingdom of Seleucus I Nicator


As you can see the little horn does not come out of Poland, Eastern Europe, France, Belgium, those countries.

There is actually a small overlap of what is the EU territory with the Cassander kingdom and the Lyscimachus kingdom. Which doesn't apply to the Jews who left Europe after Hitler, but it does limit the home of origin of the end times Antichrist little horn.

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Sorry Doug.
The little horn came from the north west into the pleasant land.
Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Today he is very great as the scripture says.A nuclear power even.
He gained his independence fromthe last great king to rule the pleasant land.Great Brittian.
He is far greater than any of those nations you believe is him.
He has a saying "never again",and it means he will never be removed again by anyone.Samson is a term used to describe his last resort.
It means if he is about to face termination then he will bring the entire house down on everyone.

 
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Sorry Doug.
The little horn came from the north west into the pleasant land.
Daniel 8;9
And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

Today he is very great as the scripture says.A nuclear power even.
He gained his independence fromthe last great king to rule the pleasant land.Great Brittian.
He is far greater than any of those nations you believe is him.
He has a saying "never again",and it means he will never be removed again by anyone.Samson is a term used to describe his last resort.
It means if he is about to face termination then he will bring the entire house down on everyone.

The beast is just not Israel, not the Israeli government, nor is Jersualem, nor are they Babylon the Great... they are not a fit.

I don't believe that any nation is the little horn. I believe that the little horn is a person; someone born in the parable of the fig tree generation, our generation. He hasn't come to power yet. So I have no idea who he is as far as a specific individual.

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The beast is just not Israel, not the Israeli government, nor is Jersualem, nor are they Babylon the Great... they are not a fit.

I don't believe that any nation is the little horn. I believe that the little horn is a person; someone born in the parable of the fig tree generation, our generation. He hasn't come to power yet. So I have no idea who he is as far as a specific individual.

Doug
Well Doug ,you dont have to believe anything.
But Jerusalem is a perfect fit for the harlot.
You just have to get to know her the way the Lord knows her.
Isaiah 1;21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers


As for the little horn .
You know where it is because scripture tells you where it is.In the pleasant land.But you prefer to look away toward another land.

Daniel 7;24
The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings.

He is different because he is jewish.The other ten are muslim.
And in 1967 the little nation subdued three other nations in only six days.
They were Jordan ,Syria,and Egypt.

The Six-Day War (Hebrew: מלחמת ששת הימים, Milhemet Sheshet Ha Yamim; Arabic: النكسة, an-Naksah, "The Setback," or حرب 1967, Ḥarb 1967, "War of 1967"), also known as the June War, 1967 Arab-Israeli War, or Third Arab-Israeli War, was fought between June 5 and 10, 1967, by Israel and the neighboring states of Egypt (known at the time as the United Arab Republic), Jordan, and Syria.
After a period of high tension between Israel and its neighbors, the war began on June 5 with Israel launching surprise bombing raids against Egyptian air-fields. Within six days, Israel had won a decisive land war. Israeli forces had taken control of the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank and East Jerusalem from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.

In the pleasant land dwelling upon seven hills is a city governed by a super nuclear power know as Israel which which defeated ten nations in 1948 to become a little nation.And in 1967 it removed the last of those ten from the seven hills.Just plucked those horns right up out of the seven heads and removed them as though it was nothing.
Yet you believe someone elsewill come and capture thier entire nuclear program .Now how do you suppose your little horn is going to overcome my little horn?


  1. ^ BBC News. "Israel 'has 150 nuclear weapons'", May 26, 2008. Statement by former United States president Jimmy Carter.
Stockpile
The State of Israel has never made public any details of its nuclear capability or arsenal. The following is a history of estimates by many different sources on the size and strength of Israel's nuclear arsenal. Estimates may vary due to the amount of material Israel has on store versus assembled weapons, and estimates as to how much material the weapons actually use, as well as the overall time in which the reactor was operated.
  • 1974– 3 capable artillery battalions each with 12 175 mm tubes and a total of 108 warheads;[80] 10 bombs[81]
  • 1976– 10–20 nuclear weapons[82]
  • 1985– at least 100 nuclear bombs[87]
  • 1991– 50–60 to 200–300[89]
  • 1992– more than 200 bombs[90]
  • 1996– 60–80 plutonium weapons, maybe more than 100 assembled, ER variants, varitable yields[95]
  • 1997– More than 400 deliverable thermonuclear and nuclear weapons[58]
  • 2002– Between 75 and 200 weapons[96]
  • 2006– Federation of American Scientists believes that Israel "could have produced enough plutonium for at least 100 nuclear weapons, but probably not significantly more than 200 weapons".[98]
  • 2008– 150 or more nuclear weapons.[99]
  • 2008– 80 intact warheads, of which 50 are re-entry vehicles for delivery by ballistic missiles and the rest bombs for delivery by aircraft. Total military plutonium stockpile 340–560 kg.[100]
  • 2009– Estimates of weapon numbers differ sharply with plausible estimates varying from 60 to 400.[101]
  • 2010– According to Jane's Defense Weekly Israel has between 100 and 300 nuclear warheads, most of them are probably being kept in unassembled mode but can become fully functional "in a matter of days".[102]
  • 2010– "More than 100 weapons, mainly two-stage thermonuclear devices, capable of being delivered by missile, fighter-bomber, or submarine"[15]
[edit] Delivery systems

Israeli military forces possess land, air, and sea based methods for deploying their nuclear weapons, thus forming nuclear triad that is mainly medium to long ranged, the backbone of which is submarine launched cruise missiles and medium and intercontinental ballistic missiles, with Israeli Air Force tactical aircraft fulfilling the role normally played by strategic bombers in the Russian and American strategic deterrent.[103] During 2008 the Jericho III ICBM became operational, giving Israel extremely long range nuclear strike abilities.[104][105]
 
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Well Doug ,you dont have to believe anything.
But Jerusalem is a perfect fit for the harlot.

Jersualem doesn't sit on many waters.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 
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Jersualem doesn't sit on many waters.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

You just dont pay attention to scripture.
The water in verse 15 is not water at all.
It is peoples,and multitudes,nations,and tongues.

Babylon the great is a city of immigrants just as ancient Babylon was a city of immigrants.Thats what it is describing.lol

Languages
Main article: Languages of Israel
Israel has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic.[1] Hebrew is the primary language of the state and is spoken by the majority of the population, and Arabic is spoken by the Arab minority. Many Israelis communicate reasonably well in English, as many television programs are broadcast in this language and English is taught from the early grades in elementary school. As a country of immigrants, many languages can be heard on the streets. Due to mass immigration from the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia (some 120,000 Ethiopian Jews live in Israel),[316] Russian and Amharic are widely spoken.[317] Between 1990 and 1994, the Russian immigration increased Israel's population by twelve percent.[318] Out of more than one million Russian-speaking immigrants in Israel,[319] about 300,000 are considered gentile by the Orthodox rabbinate, because, under the Orthodox interpretation, only children to Jewish mothers are considered Jews, while the Law of Return accepts those with Jewish fathers, grandparents, and spouses.[320][321]
 
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You just dont pay attention to scripture.
The water in verse 15 is not water at all.
It is peoples,and multitudes,nations,and tongues.

Babylon the great is a city of immigrants just as ancient Babylon was a city of immigrants.Thats what it is describing.lol

I understand that it does not mean literal waters. It means that the harlot has presence throughout the other countries of the world in a significant way.

The Jews don't fit. The RCC does.

Languages
Main article: Languages of Israel
Israel has two official languages, Hebrew and Arabic.[1] Hebrew is the primary language of the state and is spoken by the majority of the population, and Arabic is spoken by the Arab minority. Many Israelis communicate reasonably well in English, as many television programs are broadcast in this language and English is taught from the early grades in elementary school. As a country of immigrants, many languages can be heard on the streets. Due to mass immigration from the former Soviet Union and Ethiopia (some 120,000 Ethiopian Jews live in Israel),[316] Russian and Amharic are widely spoken.[317] Between 1990 and 1994, the Russian immigration increased Israel's population by twelve percent.[318] Out of more than one million Russian-speaking immigrants in Israel,[319] about 300,000 are considered gentile by the Orthodox rabbinate, because, under the Orthodox interpretation, only children to Jewish mothers are considered Jews, while the Law of Return accepts those with Jewish fathers, grandparents, and spouses.[320][321]
What does any of that have to do with having a presence in other countries around the world in a significant way? It is not talking about what is internal to the harlot. The harlot has a global presence.

17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 
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I understand that it does not mean literal waters. It means that the harlot has presence throughout the other countries of the world in a significant way.

The Jews don't fit. The RCC does.



What does any of that have to do with having a presence in other countries around the world in a significant way? It is not talking about what is internal to the harlot. The harlot has a global presence.

17:1 And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great harlot that sitteth upon many waters

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Doug


The waters where the harlot sits is not other countries.
It is describing the people ,multitudes nations and tongues where the harlot sits.Not the rst of the world.

Like I said it is describing the immigrants that dwell there just as ancient Babylon was full if immigrants.
 
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Mathew 23;34
Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:


These are for Babylon to kill.Not Rome.
I dont remember Jesus saying one bad thing about Rome but because of your love for the harlot you would rather ignor everthing Jesus and all of the prophets ever said about her.

They say love is blind
 
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The waters where the harlot sits is not other countries.
It is describing the people ,multitudes nations and tongues where the harlot sits.Not the rst of the world.

Like I said it is describing the immigrants that dwell there just as ancient Babylon was full if immigrants.


It says WHERE the harlot sits. WHERE is a location. Nations is WHERE the woman sits. And nations of different population sizes (multitudes), of different races/ethnic groups (peoples), languages (tongues).

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, WHERE the harlot sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
 
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