knights of columbus secret intiation

[S.ilvio]

okay so he can't know what is going to happen, but why can't wives know? Why can I not know what he did after he did it. I want to know what he committed to and what he has gotten involved in. I understand the not knowing before hand makes the men honest about it, but why an I now not know what happened after he did it? It won't stop worrying me.

Do wives have to know everything? Aren't people entitled to a private life? Do you insist he tells you everything?

I think you should cut him some slack instead of pressuring him like this.

The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say...

 

[americanvet]

On the flip side he could be sitting in front of the tv four hours on end doing nothing. Instead he is working toward his betterment through the church. I say it's a win win for you and him.

 

[Erose]

Do wives have to know everything? Aren't people entitled to a private life? Do you insist he tells you everything?

I think you should cut him some slack instead of pressuring him like this.

The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say...

Can we just put this comment in the "Dumb Comments" folder? In every parish that has a strong KoC presence there are men who by themselves would do little but as a member of this group does much for their community. In fact I will go out on a limb and said that there are many a small parish who will tell you that the Knights are an important part of that parish's survival.

 

[Vasallus]

Do wives have to know everything? Aren't people entitled to a private life? Do you insist he tells you everything?

I think you should cut him some slack instead of pressuring him like this.

The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say...

Not true.

 

[Elvisman]

I was a member of the Knights of Columbus. I refuse to talk about the initiation because I swore I wouldn't. But if you believe in Roman Catholicism you won't be bothered by it.

However, if you don't believe in Roman Catholicism it will bother you like it does me from time to time.

Don't worry, they aren't going to break up your marriage or anything. They actually want you to stay together.

What's "Roman Catholicism"?

 

[Elvisman]

The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say...

An ignorant statement spoken by a person who hasn't the foggiest idea about the Knights.

I never knew that charity had an expiration date . . .

 

[MikeK]

What's "Roman Catholicism"?

You can learn about more it here, at the Encyclopedia Britannica website.

Roman Catholicism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Roman Catholicism: Christian church that has been the decisive spiritual force in the history of Western civilization. Along with Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism, it is one of the three major branches of Christianity.

The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of centuries it developed a highly sophisticated theology and an elaborate organizational structure headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing absolute monarchy in the world.

 

[Anhelyna]

Before you castigate S.ilvio any more - I've lived in Scotland for the last 40+ years and I was totally unaware of the Organisation - which , according to Wiki started in Glasgow !!

As for the thought of men in funny feathered Hats and cloaks bearing swords standing as a guard of honour near a Church ?? Never seen that here

 

[MikeK]

The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say...

This comment really ruffled some feathers, S.

I thin kwhat S.ilvio meant by "outdated" was that on a whole, fraternal order's and Men's groups just aren't doing that well. Note that in spite of recent international expansion, the Knights only added 100,000 new members over the last 5 years. The United States Knights (by far the largest bunch) managed only 45,000 new members durring this period...and while I haven't found numbers (and I'm not certain the numbers are available to the public) relating to the number of Americans Knights who dies durring the same period, it has to approach that 45k number, and maybe even exceed it. The KoC's average age is likely somewhere north of 50, afterall.

 

[Elvisman]

You can learn about more it here, at the Encyclopedia Britannica website.

Roman Catholicism -- Britannica Online Encyclopedia

Roman Catholicism: Christian church that has been the decisive spiritual force in the history of Western civilization. Along with Eastern Orthodoxy and Protestantism, it is one of the three major branches of Christianity.

The Roman Catholic Church traces its history to Jesus Christ and the Apostles. Over the course of centuries it developed a highly sophisticated theology and an elaborate organizational structure headed by the papacy, the oldest continuing absolute monarchy in the world.

No - that's Catholicism.

The Church does not identify itself as Roman Catholic or Her beliefs as "Roman Catholicism".
In official documents of the Church, it is identified simply as "The Catholic Church".

ther term "Roman Catholic" was actually a derogatory terms born from the English Reformation as a means to compare itself - the "Catholic Church of England" to the "Catholic Church of Rome".

 

[Elvisman]

This comment really ruffled some feathers, S.

I thin kwhat S.ilvio meant by "outdated" was that on a whole, fraternal order's and Men's groups just aren't doing that well. Note that in spite of recent international expansion, the Knights only added 100,000 new members over the last 5 years. The United States Knights (by far the largest bunch) managed only 45,000 new members durring this period...and while I haven't found numbers (and I'm not certain the numbers are available to the public) relating to the number of Americans Knights who dies durring the same period, it has to approach that 45k number, and maybe even exceed it. The KoC's average age is likely somewhere north of 50, afterall.

Interesting.

Maybe you should let S.ilvio explain for himself instead of trying to read his mind . . .

 

[MikeK]

Interesting.

I know, right?!

Maybe you should let S.ilvio explain for himself instead of trying to read his mind . . .

It isn't an either/or. My speculation as to what a poster intended to say does not in any way prevent that poster from further explaining themself.

 

[Elvisman]

It isn't an either/or. My speculation as to what a poster intended to say does not in any way prevent that poster from further explaining themself.

The let him.

"The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say..."
His statement was pretty clear. If he wants to try to rationalize his way out of it - that's up to him - your "omniscience" notwithstanding . . .

 

[MikeK]

The let him.

That's a strange request, I am not in anyway interfering with his ability to speak. There aren't a finite amount of keystrokes allowed on the internet, I'm not using his up.

"The Knights are an outdated concept but each to their own I say..."
His statement was pretty clear. If he wants to try to rationalize his way out of it - that's up to him - your "omniscience" notwithstanding . . .

I don't really have any onniscience....but I DO know a man who was something of an Omni-Scientist. He used to race Dodge Omni GLHSs, he could get some serious power out of that little 2.2.

...and I don;t think his stement /was/ all that clear. What about the Knights does he think is outdated? I don't think he believes charity to be outdated, but that's what you immediately assumed.

 

[Elvisman]

...and I don;t think his stement /was/ all that clear. What about the Knights does he think is outdated? I don't think he believes charity to be outdated, but that's what you immediately assumed.

He said that the Kights of Columbus was an "outdated concept".
That's a pretty clear condemnation of what they represent.

As a 20-year veteran of the K of C, I can tell you right now that there is nothing outdated about the concept of charity, which is the main pillar of the Order. The others are Fraternity and Patriotism - 2 more concepts that I find difficult to define as "outdated".

 

[S.ilvio]

Relax lads. life's too short to be worrying about my few, humble words...

We have the Knights of Columbanus over here and they play little or no part in the life of our Parish to me knowledge.

Their mmebership is dwindling as new recruits are hard to come by.

The idea of men coming together, having secret fraternal meetings is quite elitist and outdated in my view.

But if they do good works then I'm happy for them to rock on...

 

[Elvisman]

Relax lads. life's too short to be worrying about my few, humble words...

We have the Knights of Columbanus over here and they play little or no part in the life of our Parish to me knowledge.

Their mmebership is dwindling as new recruits are hard to come by.

The idea of men coming together, having secret fraternal meetings is quite elitist and outdated in my view.

But if they do good works then I'm happy for them to rock on...

And that's why I said your comments were based in ignorance.
The fact that membership is dwindling in your parish says more about the possibility of selfish attitudes of the men in your parish and less with the Knights being outdated.

The reason for secrecy is so that charity may have its full impact.
whereas, we pat each other on the back for hard work - we never pat ourselves on the back.

 

[MikeK]

He said that the Kights of Columbus was an "outdated concept".
That's a pretty clear condemnation of what they represent.

As a 20-year veteran of the K of C, I can tell you right now that there is nothing outdated about the concept of charity, which is the main pillar of the Order. The others are Fraternity and Patriotism - 2 more concepts that I find difficult to define as "outdated".

Eh, I think fraternity in the sence that it is practiced by the Knights, is something of an outdated concept, and I think the membership rates that fail to grow with the population of the Knights and other Men's groups attest to that.

I like to meet with like-minded people at a bar. The Knights have a bar that they have their meetings at....it should be a match made in heaven, yeah? No. Penciling in a night every other week to drink with my poals at the bar and talk charity doesn't work for me. There are work concerns, there's dance, there's baseball, there's birthdays and illness and dishes and life. Rigid structure is difficult for many modern families.

 

[MikeK]

- we never pat ourselves on the back.

If there's one word I'd use to decribe you, it's humble.

 

[Cosmic Charlie]

I am a fiance of a now member and I seriously losing sleep, crying, and getting sick over him joining. I need to know what happens in that ceremony because it scares me that he did something I will never by oath be able to know about. If a man can take an oath and he is a catholic man joined in a sacrament, why can't he tell his wife? I need help because I really don't like not knowing what happened at the ceremony and what he committed to or what happened to him!

Never been a knight but if it's like every other men's club in America it probably has something to with cribbage and alcohol.

And maybe dinner.