Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

[OneThatGotAway]

But what about:

vs 4,5 certainly indicate that this Cyrus person is somebody who does not actually know the G-d of Abraham. Ancient King Cyrus was a pagan but the modern Cyrus could even have serious inclinations toward agnosticism but a respect for religious freedom even if he personally disagrees with the specifics. Ancient King Cyrus allowed freedom of religion in all 127 provinces of the Persian Empire.

Some tales of how the prophet Daniel mentored and taught him indicate that he was a touch too superstitious!

As far as whether this prophecy by Isaiah has any relevance:
Luke 24:25

I have to admit that this question is rather confusing....I certainly do not know the when for the Jerusalem Third TEmple to be built...but my opinion at this time is that it does have to happen!

There is a significant bulge in the southern wall that I am sure fits somehow with the prediction by Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua that not one stone will be on top of another?!

Matthew 24:2

The 2000 year anniversary of this statement would be 2030 or 2031...or considerably earlier if we use a 360 day prophetic year as seems to be needed for many prophecies?!

Shabath Shaluem Alechem:

Isaiah 45 does not allude to any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel again; this chapter only refers to what the original Cyrus did for Israel thousands of years ago. The sons of Yishrael will return to the land Tzion but not by the hand of any so-called Cyrus II. Also, the prophet Daniel did not allude to another Cyrus II doing anything for Israel. The verse you quoted only refers again to the original Cyrus. And the verse Luke 24:25 does not infer any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel in the future either; in fact this verse did not refer any rebuilding of a third temple.
Regarding a bulge in a wall, I don’t quite see how that fits in Yeshuo’s (aka Jesus) prophesy of “shall not leave in thee one stone upon another”. That prophesy was fulfilled when the City of Yerushalim was destroyed around 70 C.E (ca. 4,070 A.E.)

I see that your attempt to tie all of these verses into the theory of a future Cyrus is somewhat lacking. I, however, believe that the Messiah himself will usher in the millennium and the third temple himself upon his return as prophesied.

Shabath Shaluem

 

[DennisTate]

Shabath Shaluem Alechem:

Isaiah 45 does not allude to any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel again; this chapter only refers to what the original Cyrus did for Israel thousands of years ago. The sons of Yishrael will return to the land Tzion but not by the hand of any so-called Cyrus II. Also, the prophet Daniel did not allude to another Cyrus II doing anything for Israel. The verse you quoted only refers again to the original Cyrus. And the verse Luke 24:25 does not infer any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel in the future either; in fact this verse did not refer any rebuilding of a third temple.
Regarding a bulge in a wall, I don’t quite see how that fits in Yeshuo’s (aka Jesus) prophesy of “shall not leave in thee one stone upon another”. That prophesy was fulfilled when the City of Yerushalim was destroyed around 70 C.E (ca. 4,070 A.E.)

I see that your attempt to tie all of these verses into the theory of a future Cyrus is somewhat lacking. I, however, believe that the Messiah himself will usher in the millennium and the third temple himself upon his return as prophesied.

Shabath Shaluem

I truly appreciate your bringing up these issues OneThatGotAway!

I read an article a few years ago that could imply that an American or Canadian or perhaps British politician might turn out to be the latter day Cyrus person. If I remember correctly President Harry Truman wished to be as much like Cyrus as he could be at that time!

I suspect that when the dust all settles and the smoke clears away perhaps the person that is regarded as the final Elijah by Christians might be the persons who the Jews come to recognize as Moshiach ben Yosef???!!


Messiah son of Joseph

MOSHIACH BEN YOSEPH
by Yair Davidiy

At first the union [of Judah with Joseph] comes about through arousal from below by way of nature [through our actions] as it says, “Join them one to another into one stick.” And afterwards [the re-union is confirmed] in a miraculous manner, [through the hand of God, as it says in Ezekiel “they shall become on in Your hand” meaning they shall become re-united in the hand of God! Comes From the North “Kol HaTor” says [2.11] “His glory is like the firstborn of his bull” (Deuteronomy 33;17). The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH comes from the north side and will be aroused by himself. i.e. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will come from somewhere in the north or at least to the north of the Land of Israel. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will Defeat Esau meaning the forces of Europe. “Kol HaTor” says [2.17] The guardian angel of Esau will be pulled down by the guardian angel of Joseph (This is also spoken about in the Biblical Book of Obadiah. We will discuss this subject and the Book of Obadiah in another talk). Expands Borders of Israel, Wars Against Amalek “Kol HaTor” says [2.36] “Enlarge the place of your tent and let them stretch forth the curtains of your habitations...” (Isaiah 54;2). The commandment to expand the borders [of Israel] is part of the task of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction. Comment: “Amalek” represents anti-Semitism and the attempt to exterminate the Jewish people. Britain and America in the 19th and early 20th century did often attempt to protect the Jews in Europe from Anti-Semitism. In the Second World War Britain and the USA defeated Nazi Germany and Japan. Nazi Germany had planned to exterminate the Jewish people and did murder one-third of the total Jewish population in the World at that time.

Since the founding of the State of Israel in 1948 the USA has often helped protect the State of Israel from destruction. The USA has not however really helped Israel expand her borders. On the contrary the USA has often forced Israel to give up territories it had liberated and to constrict her borders, but maybe that will change. Maybe the USA and Britain will help Israel expand her borders in the future as the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH is supposed to do. Ingathers the Exiles “Kol HaTor” says [2.40] “His [i.e. Joseph’s] bow abode in strength” (Genesis 49;24). This should be an important principle for us. We have to stand obstinately strong in the holy work of gathering in the exiles which is the task of the first redeemer [i.e. of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]. Purifies the Land of Israel “Kol HaTor” says [2.41] “And Joseph was governor over the land” (Genesis 42;6). This means he will overcome all the forces of impurity. This is one of the great tasks of the First Redeemer [of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH]: to extirpate the spirit of impurity from the country by means of settling the Holy Land. When the Holy Land is not settled [with Israelites] a spirit of impurity settles over it. [When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]. Joshua ben Nun Was a Forerunner “Kol HaTor” says [2.44]

The First Redeemer [MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH] fights against Amalek with total warfare…[he fights against the forces of anti-Semitism]. This was the task of Joshua ben Nun who was [a forerunner and ancestor of] the Messiah Son of Joseph. Aroused by Elijah “Kol HaTor” says [2.71] “Behold I will send you my prophet Elijah…and he will return the hearts of the fathers to their sons” (Malachi 4). One of the tasks of Elijah is to arouse the spirit of the MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH. Comment:

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Shabath Shaluem Alechem:

Isaiah 45 does not allude to any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel again; this chapter only refers to what the original Cyrus did for Israel thousands of years ago. The sons of Yishrael will return to the land Tzion but not by the hand of any so-called Cyrus II. Also, the prophet Daniel did not allude to another Cyrus II doing anything for Israel. The verse you quoted only refers again to the original Cyrus. And the verse Luke 24:25 does not infer any Cyrus II doing anything for Israel in the future either; in fact this verse did not refer any rebuilding of a third temple.
Regarding a bulge in a wall, I don’t quite see how that fits in Yeshuo’s (aka Jesus) prophesy of “shall not leave in thee one stone upon another”. That prophesy was fulfilled when the City of Yerushalim was destroyed around 70 C.E (ca. 4,070 A.E.)

I see that your attempt to tie all of these verses into the theory of a future Cyrus is somewhat lacking. I, however, believe that the Messiah himself will usher in the millennium and the third temple himself upon his return as prophesied.

Shabath Shaluem

What do the Jews of today think about that?

http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.............

.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins............

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[Supreme]

I truly appreciate your bringing up these issues OneThatGotAway!

I read an article a few years ago that could imply that an American or Canadian or perhaps British politician might turn out to be the latter day Cyrus person. If I remember correctly President Harry Truman wished to be as much like Cyrus as he could be at that time!

I suspect that when the dust all settles and the smoke clears away perhaps the person that is regarded as the final Elijah by Christians might be the persons who the Jews come to recognize as Moshiach ben Yosef???!!


Messiah son of Joseph

I very much doubt it'd be a British politician. Our politicians have enough on their plates already, with the economy at the forefront- rebuilding the Jewish temple is certainly not on anyone's agenda, and would be completely irrelevant to the lives of the vast majority of Britons.

 

[InnerPhyre]

Israel consists of the Jews who followed Jesus and the gentiles who were grafted onto the vine. What the Jews who reject Jesus do isn't really of much concern to Christians (or at least shouldn't be) unless they all decide to start following Him.


The nation of Israel as a political entity is NOT the Israel that is written about in the Bible. Christians wouldn't be so blindly supportive of the nation of Israel if they had any idea how Christians are treated there.

 

[keith99]

Isn't there a bit of a problem with supporting the REBUILDING of the third temple?

It hasn't been built yet and it seems that its destruction would indicate Scripture is false.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabath Shalum:

The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will come from somewhere in the north or at least to the north of the Land of Israel."

COMMENT: There is no scripture supporting that a MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH will come from the north.

"The MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH has the duty of waging war against Amalek and of expanding the borders of Israel and of protecting Israel from destruction."

COMMENT: I do not know where he is basing his prophecy on because no Holy Scriptures supports a "MESSIAH SON OF JOSEPH" expanding Israel's borders. Is he referring to YAHSHUO The MESSIAH (AKA JESUS THE CHRIST)?

"On the contrary the USA has often forced Israel to give up territories it had liberated and to constrict her borders, but maybe that will change.

COMMENT: The Jews that are currently in Israel are not ready to expand her borders because they have not returned totally to YAHWEH AELHYIM (God) in obeying ALL of his laws. Most still behave like the days of YeshoYahu and YermeYahu (Read Jeremiah, chapter 4 & 5).

Not to side track from the topic: Who is this “Kol HaTor” that he repeatedly refers to in his message?

"[When the Holy Land is settled with Israelites the Land becomes pure]."

COMMENT: Since 1947 until today, Israel has not finish making the land pure, because she has not return with all of her heart toward seeking and obeying YAHWEH AELHYIM (God). She is still holding on to the sins of Jeroboam who had made Israel to sin. (1 Kings 14, 15, 16)

Shabath Shalum

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabath Shalume:

What do the Jews of today think about that?..............The day on which Titus encompassed Jerusalem, was the feast of the Passover.......The Temple now presented little more than a heap of ruins...

I am not tracking any Jews looking forward to a second Cyrus doing the same that the original Cyrus did. And I am sure why you mentioned Titus and the destruction of Yerushalim either.

Shabath Shalume.

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Shabath Shalume:

Israel consists of the Jews who followed Jesus and the gentiles who were grafted onto the vine. What the Jews who reject Jesus do isn't really of much concern to Christians (or at least shouldn't be) unless they all decide to start following Him.

The nation of Israel as a political entity is NOT the Israel that is written about in the Bible. Christians wouldn't be so blindly supportive of the nation of Israel if they had any idea how Christians are treated there.

Actually, the true Israel are the sons of Israel descended by bloodline from the original sons of Israel. That lineage has neither been destroyed nor forgotten by Yahweh God Almighty. Yahweh promised to preserve and restore their greatness in the future; otherwise, their destruction would be the end of God as being all powerful and faithful to His own words.

The Christians should pay very much attention to the Sons of Yishrael because "Salvation is of the Jews". And the Christians have not replaced the blood line sons of Israel.

Shabath Shalume.

 

[Trogool]

I personally was greatly encouraged by the response that I received to this question when I posed it on the Christian Heritage Party of Canada discussion forum.

No, we shouldn't. Seems like a complete waste of time. Their religious practice seems hardly impaired without it, the Dome of the Rock is there... And I don't really see what reason there could be for doing it.

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[Trogool]

Shabath Shalume:

Actually, the true Israel are the sons of Israel descended by bloodline from the original sons of Israel. That lineage has neither been destroyed nor forgotten by Yahweh God Almighty. Yahweh promised to preserve and restore their greatness in the future; otherwise, their destruction would be the end of God as being all powerful and faithful to His own words.

The Christians should pay very much attention to the Sons of Yishrael because "Salvation is of the Jews". And the Christians have not replaced the blood line sons of Israel.

Shabath Shalume.

Yeah, they have. Sorry.

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[Johnnz]

Israel was far more than ethnic identity. Abraham was not a Jew. The church is the expression of God's promises to him. Also, Israel included foreigners

Ex 12:19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And whoever eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel, whether he is an alien or native-born. NIV

Ex 12:48-49 "An alien living among you who wants to celebrate the Lord's Passover must have all the males in his household circumcised; then he may take part like one born in the land. No uncircumcised male may eat of it. The same law applies to the native-born and to the alien living among you." NIV

Lev 19:33-34 "'When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. 34 The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the Lord your God. NIV

God's people are people for faith.
Rom 2:28-29 28 A man is not a Jew if he is only one outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a man is a Jew if he is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a man's praise is not from men, but from God. NIV

The new community is without normal cultural markers.
Gal 3:28-29 There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. NIV

Col 3:11 Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all. NIV

Also we see the old passing away"

The temple's veil was torn, opening up the way into the Holy Place for all believers.
We are now the new temple.

We are now the the people of promise
1 Peter 2:9-10 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. Once you were not a people, but now you are the people of God; NIV

John
NZ

 

[OneThatGotAway]

Yeah, they have. Sorry.

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According to God, nobody has replaced the people of Israel; and they never will. His prophecy still stands and the remnant of Israel is very much alive and well. Sorry.

 

[drjean]

Israel does live! We are blessed to bless her and support her.

God's Word says that those who put themselves under the law, live by the law, and will be judged by the law. Jews who have not yet accepted Yeshua Messiah are under the law.

IDK how much "support" we need to give them though, as they have a complete modular temple, to size, and all the brass, gold etc furniture ready to go. Two or maybe three years ago Israel called for all descendants of the tribe of Levi to petition for priesthood and the new priests were selected, and tailored garb was made for them. Israel is ready to establish the new temple and it's workings. They have also researched and say that where the dome is today is not where the temple actually was, but off to one side... and that is where they want to place this modular one. I'm not sure but that the rapture occurs before the temple is operating.. but if I see it contained within a 7 year peace treaty, I'm looking UP UP UP!!!

Anyway, I do support Israel --Messianic groups that minister to her people. For all I know, my grandmother was Jewish, but at the very least she lived among Jewish people in 1890. (I'm trying to research that.)

 

[AlasBabylon]

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NO !


JESUS CHRIST is God's Temple made without hands !



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[AlasBabylon]

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When Israelites were living in sin [disobedience to God's Law] they allowed sodomites in the temple.

When God sent Babylon against Jerusalem, God allowed Edomites to destroy the temple.

God's Anointed King, Cyrus, who conquered Babylon and liberated Babylon's captives [which was most
of the known world] decreed the rebuilding of the temple in Jerusalem.

Later, Cyrus' temple was also corrupted.

The Edomite-jew, King Herod, "remodeled" the temple [tearing some of it down and adding to it.]

Jesus Christ said Herod's temple [which some call the "third temple"] would be destroyed and it was.


Jesus Christ is God's Temple made without hands !

There will not be another.





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[Ronald]

I personally was greatly encouraged by the response that I received to this question when I posed it on the Christian Heritage Party of Canada discussion forum.

There is no need for a new temple. God destroyed the Old Temple in 70 A.D., but it was rendered useless the day Jesus died on the cross. Since Pentecost, God dwelled in the believers new temple. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit. It would be counter-productive and irrational for us to think that God would require a new temple with sacrifices again. A remnant of the Jews will be saved in the end times. Part of this remnant will include the 144,000 virgin males and I would imagine as many females as well to repopulate the planet during the Millennium. The two witnesses purpose will be to evangelize the Jews to Christ. A temple is not a prerequisite to their mission, no where in Revelation or any other text requires this. However, some Pre-Trib scholars fit it into their false interpretation of the 70th week of Daniel which Christ fulfilled. It's a misplaced historical blooper on their part.
Actually, I think God would be offended if the Jews constructed a new temple and started making meaningless sacrificial atonements for which ONE HAS BEEN CLEARLY MADE ALREADY.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

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NO !

JESUS CHRIST is God's Temple made without hands !.

There is no need for a new temple. God destroyed the Old Temple in 70 A.D., but it was rendered useless the day Jesus died on the cross. Since Pentecost, God dwelled in the believers new temple. We are the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Actually, I think God would be offended if the Jews constructed a new temple and started making meaningless sacrificial atonements for which ONE HAS BEEN CLEARLY MADE ALREADY.

I am in agreement with both of those views

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

The Destruction Of
JERUSALEM​

​

An Absolute and Irresistible
PROOF OF THE DIVINE ORIGIN OF​

CHRISTIANITY:
INCLUDING A NARRATIVE OF
THE CALAMITIES WHICH BEFEL THE JEWS
So far as they tend to verify
OUR LORD'S PREDICTIONS
Relative to that event.​

"I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."(Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)

 

[DennisTate]

Israel does live! We are blessed to bless her and support her.

God's Word says that those who put themselves under the law, live by the law, and will be judged by the law. Jews who have not yet accepted Yeshua Messiah are under the law.

IDK how much "support" we need to give them though, as they have a complete modular temple, to size, and all the brass, gold etc furniture ready to go. Two or maybe three years ago Israel called for all descendants of the tribe of Levi to petition for priesthood and the new priests were selected, and tailored garb was made for them. Israel is ready to establish the new temple and it's workings. They have also researched and say that where the dome is today is not where the temple actually was, but off to one side... and that is where they want to place this modular one. I'm not sure but that the rapture occurs before the temple is operating.. but if I see it contained within a 7 year peace treaty, I'm looking UP UP UP!!!

Anyway, I do support Israel --Messianic groups that minister to her people. For all I know, my grandmother was Jewish, but at the very least she lived among Jewish people in 1890. (I'm trying to research that.)

Dr.Jean, in my opinion your response to this question is exceptional and truly encouraging to hear.

I was rather shocked this morning to read that Dr. Grant Jeffrey had died just last week. In his book "Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny, chapter 8 in his 1989 version is entitled The Ark of the Covenant and the Rebuilding of the Temple. I got the impression from what he wrote here that at that time Dr. Grant Jeffrey did indeed feel that the Jews needed to rebuild the Jerusalem Third Temple in order to fulfill the prophecies that were given to them!

 

[DennisTate]

Grant Jeffrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Grant R. Jeffrey Died on May 11, 2012; Grant was a Canadian Bible teacher of Bible prophecy/eschatology and biblical archaeology and a proponent of dispensational evangelical Christianity.[1] As chairman of Frontier Research Publications[2] for more than 20 years, Jeffrey's 25 books have been translated into 24 languages. He also appeared on television and radio shows, particularly on Christian programs, and also attended speaking engagements around the globe.[3]