Should Christians support Jews in rebuilding of Third Temple?

[DennisTate]

On the other hand there is a lot of logic in this writing by a man from Uganda that the outpouring of the Holy Spirit/Ruach ha Kodesh depends on Christians coming to a new level of unity with our Jewish brethren:

Eporu Ronald Alfred

Kakira Deliverance Church,
P.O. Box 3191, Kakira, Jinja, Uganda

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Dear brethren,
I salute you in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ!

RE: SHARING NEW DISCOVERIES OF THE TRUTH IN BIBLE PROPHECY CONCERNING THE IMMINENT HEALING AND UNITY OF THE CHURCH

I am mesmerized by the truth in bible prophecy that the Spirit of God has been revealing over the recent years. Secret things belong to God and those that are revealed belong to us and our children... (Deut 29: 29).

1. King Cyrus the great ruled his country 555 years Before Christ i.e. from 576 BC to 530 BC and authorised the rebuilding of the second temple in Jerusalem. Cyrus of the Old Testament is hence associated with the number 555 and is the shadow figure of incoming Cyrus II of the New Testament. You may learn more about his history from the internet and scriptures. This new truth enables us to identify the leadership of the world that will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem as prophesied in book of Isaiah before the rise of antichrist. Cyrus II is coming to revive the evangelical/Pentecostal church in Jerusalem and restore the headquarters of the church in same city where the church was born. He is set to strip Babylon of the vessels of the temple and the name of the Lord God and transfer that crown back to Jerusalem thus leaving Babylon naked. Cyrus will rebuild the temple in Jerusalem in fulfilment of the prophecy of Jesus as written in the book of John 2:18-23 and the prophecy of Isaiah as written in chapters 40, 41, 45 and 47 of the book of Isaiah. Jesus regarded the temple as the symbol of his own body while saying that he had the power to lay it down on the first day (1st millennium) and rebuild or raise it up on the 3rd day (3rd millennium). Remember that one day in the eyes of God is the same as one thousand years (millennium) as stated in book of 2 Peter 3:8. Rebuilding of the temple is thus associated with unification of the church.

Cyrus II will rebuild the temple in honour of our lord Jesus Christ. The temple will be the unifying (rallying) point of the world wide evangelical church as the original headquarters of the church. Psalms133 denotes that there is such a powerful anointing that comes along with unity among brethren. Unification of the whole body of Jesus Christ will make the church so powerful that she will overrun the world within a short time before the return of our lord Jesus Christ. A divided church is a powerless church whereas a united church is a powerful church. The church can only be able to fulfil her ultimate mission of revealing Jesus to the world once we get united as one body of Jesus Christ following his last prayer for his disciples as written in John 17:20-23.

Cyrus II will erase that false image of Jesus that the counterfeit and Idolatrous state church of Babylon has been projecting around the world and revive the original church that projects the true brilliant image of Jesus Christ. Haggai 2:9 says that the glory of the latter church (temple) will be greater than the glory of the former church (temple).The rise of Cyrus will also usher in the ultimate fulfilment of the prophecy of Joel 2:28 where God intends to pour out His Spirit on all flesh in these last days. The era of Cyrus brings the gentile period of grace to its close and leads to the restoration of the Jewish period of grace and salvation.




2. King Manasseh was the shadow figure (forerunner) of the antichrist in the Old Testament who ruled over Jerusalem exactly 666 years Before Christ i.e. from 697 BC to 642 BC. (2 chronicle 33: 1-2 and 2 kings 21: 1-17). Antichrist is associated with the number 666 as written in the book of Revelation 13:18. Manasseh was the most evil king to have ever ruled over the city of Jerusalem and kingdom of Judah.

Manasseh is reported to have killed so many innocent people in Jerusalem that the streets of Jerusalem were flowing with blood; he worshiped pagan idols and stars; he built pagan alters for idols and stars in the very courtyards of the temple; he sacrificed his sons to idols; he consulted diviners and mediums; he even set up an abominable pagan image at the temple that causes desolation just as the incoming antichrist will do. It was on that basis that God decided to have that first temple destroyed completely since Manasseh had desecrated it.



3. Prophet Jonah was the shadow figure (forerunner) of Jesus Christ in the Old Testament who undertook his prophetic ministry around 777 B.C. Prophet Jonah is hence associated with the number 777. He arose from the shadow and demise of Prophet Elisha. His preaching radiated such great power and authority that turned the city of Nineveh as the rising super power of that time up side down within 3 days only (read the book of Jonah). Jonah was the prophetic force behind the restoration of the lost territories of Israel in the reign of King Jeroboam II of Israel between 782 BC and 741 BC as written in II Kings 14:25. Jonah related with God more or less as his own father and God loved him more or less as His own son. He volunteered to die save occupants of the ship and was raised to life after three days just like Jesus Christ. Jesus compared himself with Jonah as his forerunner in the Old Testament as far as his earthly ministry, death and resurrection was concerned in Mathew 12; 38-41, Luke 11; 29-32. Jesus will also oversee the restoration of the lost territories of Israel just like prophet Jonah when he comes to rule as the king of kings and Lord of Lords. We can therefore correctly associate Jesus Christ with the number 777 just like Jonah as our commander-in-chief, Lord of the Sabbath and fountain of life.

The more we know where we came from the more we know where we are going. You are cordially invited to visit my face book home page for more information and messages. Feel free to share this truth with other brethren just as I received it free of charge from God.

Your brother in Christ

Eporu Ronald
Scientist & Minister of Bible Prophecy

 

[DennisTate]

I believe Christians should prepare themselves to meet Jesus at his second coming. Be a light and help spread the gospel. The Jews need the gospel just like the Muslims. The Jews do not accept Jesus as their Messiah, they are hostile to Christians who try to convert them. Why waste energy on people who do not have any interest in the founder of Christianity or his followers. Prophecy will be fulfilled whether we agree with the building of the temple. Our concern is to fulfill the Commission of Jesus.
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Hi Contented: On the other hand I believe that we Christians have completely misunderstood the full implications of this statement by Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua:

Luk 24:25

Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken

Contented, how do you personally think that the disciples of Cephas/Peter lived and treated the Levitical laws in the year 90 C.E?

It is a historical fact that some of the pronouncements of famous Christian reformers set the stage for the holocaust of the Nazi era:

Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies
Martin Luther: The Jews and Their Lies (1543)

What shall we Christians do with this rejected and condemned people, the Jews? Since they live among us, we dare not tolerate their conduct, now that we are aware of their lying and reviling and blaspheming. If we do, we become sharers in their lies, cursing and blasphemy. Thus we cannot extinguish the unquenchable fire of divine wrath, of which the prophets speak, nor can we convert the Jews. With prayer and the fear of God we must practice a sharp mercy to see whether we might save at least a few from the glowing flames. We dare not avenge ourselves. Vengeance a thousand times worse than we could wish them already has them by the throat. I shall give you my sincere advice:

First to set fire to their synagogues or schools and to bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them. This is to be done in honor of our Lord and of Christendom, so that God might see that we are Christians, and do not condone or knowingly tolerate such public lying, cursing, and blaspheming of his Son and of his Christians. For whatever we tolerated in the past unknowingly [bless and do not curse] and I myself was unaware of it [bless and do not curse] will be pardoned by God. But if we, now that we are informed, were to protect and shield such a house for the Jews, existing right before our very nose, in which they lie about, blaspheme, curse, vilify, and defame Christ and us (as was heard above), it would be the same as if we were doing all this and even worse ourselves, as we very well know.

Second, I advise that their houses also be razed and destroyed. For they pursue in them the same aims as in their synagogues. Instead they might be lodged under a roof or in a barn, like the gypsies. This will bring home to them that they are not masters in our country, as they boast, but that they are living in exile and in captivity, as they incessantly wail and lament about us before God.

Third, I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings, in which such idolatry, lies, cursing and blasphemy are taught, be taken from them. (remainder omitted)

In my opinion the Orthodox and Chassidic Jewish communities are the only people on earth capable of fulfilling the inspired words of the prophet Ezekiel regarding God's plans for Jerusalem and the surrounding area.

 

[JustMeSee]

The sad thing is that these Christians don't look at the inhabitants as much more than pawns, in my honest opinion.

 

[DennisTate]

The sad thing is that these Christians don't look at the inhabitants as much more than pawns, in my honest opinion.

Do you mean the inhabitants of Jerusalem?

That is a good point!

The Tsvi Misinai scholarhip indicates that the Palestinian people may well be to a great extent the great, great, great....grandchildren of the students of Cephas/Peter.

For many reasons the Messianic Jewish community did NOT join in the Bar Kochba Revolt and thus were NOT expelled from the land!

What do you think that Cephas/Peter might say to the Palestinian people if he was allowed to talk to all of them in dreams in the year 2012?


Tsvi Misinai - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Tsvi Misinai claims that the majority of the Palestinian people—including those with Israeli citizenship or residency, known variously as Arab citizens of Israel, Arab Israelis, Israeli Arabs, including the Bedouin Arabs of Israel—are descendants of the ancient Hebrews, as most of the world's Jewish ethnic divisions are.[6] Furthermore, he claims that at least half of them are quietly aware of this fact.[7]

According to Misinai, unlike the ancestors of the modern day Jews who were city dwellers to a large extent, the Hebrew ancestors of the Palestinians were rural dwellers, and were allowed to remain in the land of Israel to work the land and supply Rome with grain and olive oil

 

[DennisTate]

Would it make a differernt to the prophecy if we didn't? Is the rebuilding of the Third Temple not inevitable if God said it would happen?

Good question!

I believe the Book of Haggai is a good one to read through to get the full picture.

I believe that by our choices and actions we can cause the era of Messiah/Moshiach to be ushered in years or even decades before it would happen if we make worse choices!?



Future - near-death experiences

Rev. Howard Storm was given information on how the future is not fixed:

We have free will. If we change the way we are, then we can change the future which they showed me. They showed me a view of the future, at the time of my experience, based upon how we in the United States were behaving at that time. It was a future in which a massive worldwide depression would occur. If we were to change our behavior, however, then the future would be different. (Rev. Howard Storm)

Howard was also told how a single person can change the world:

All it takes to make a change was one person. One person, trying, and then because of that, another person changing for the better. They said that the only way to change the world was to begin with one person. One will become two, which will become three, and so on. That's the only way to affect a major change. (Rev. Howard Storm)

During Ricky Randolph's NDE, he was told virtually the same thing:

You must return and help others to change by changing your life! (Ricky Randolph)

Dannion Brinkley was told how the future is conditional upon human beings:

If you follow what you have been taught and keep living the same way you have lived the last thirty years, all of this will surely be upon you. If you change, you can avoid the coming war. If you follow this dogma, the world by the year 2004 will not be the same one you now know. But it can still be changed and you can help change it. (Dannion Brinkley)

 

[DennisTate]

I feel that I should add the link to the original Canadian Christian Heritage Party discussion thread here:

Canadian Viewpoints/Points de vue Canadiens :: View topic - Should Jews have support to build their Third Temple?
Canadian Viewpoints/Points de vue Canadiens :: View topic - Should Jews have support to build their Third Temple?

 

[DennisTate]

Here is a copy of the first e-mail that I received from Mr. Boruch Fishman. Many questions regarding this project are answered in this letter:


Mr. Boruch Fishman:

Hi Mr. Tate:

I read about your support of the rebuilding of the Temple in Israel. I am
pasting below a letterI am sending out regarding efforts to create the
blueprints for the Temple.I would truly appreciate your support. And, if you are
interested in more than mere personal support for the project, I will be happy
to get together with you about ideas for a community project in your area. By
the way, while Gershon Soloman's name is not mentioned in the letter, he is
in the back of our minds as our project moves towards the actual building of the
Temple.

Dear Sirs:

I am the Director of People for a Bill to Build the Bet HaMikdash, (the
Third Temple). My organization received important support from UNESCO this year,
when UNESCO put a link to my organization on their official web site. I
attribute this support to the fact that my organization is the only organization
in the community of organizations dedicated to rebuilding the Jewish Temple in
its place, which created a complete plan for rebuilding the Temple, which does
not rely on a miracle or act of violence. We also support the continuance and
safety of the Al Aksa Mosque, the third most important building to Moslems,
which sits on the southern part of the Temple Mount, no where near the location
of the ancient Jewish Temples.

Coupled with the above, my organization supports limited yet specific
exploration by world experts to determine the exact location of the earlier
Temples. And we support subsequent committee hearings between the City of
Jerusalem, the Waqf, the builders and UNESCO to discuss the all important
question of movement of structures, which do sit on top of the actual building
site. The International Association of Big Building Movers has also informed us
that there are two companies in the world capable of moving the beautiful Dome
of the Rock, a few hundred meters to the North-Western Corner of the Temple
Mount.

We are now seeking contributors to support the creation of a complete
architectural plan for the Third Temple. The Sanhedrin, (world Jewish Court),
Ateres Kohanim, (the elite training academy of Jewish Priests), and the Temple
Institute, (the center the study and recreation of temple structures and
vessels), have unanimously chosen the firm of Shmuel Balzam of Jerusalem to
undertake the task of recreating the legends of Ezekiel and the Talmud into
modern architectural blueprints. Mr. Balzam is a respected architect in
Jerusalem, with proven ability to work with the Jewish academicians who have
scrupulously studied all that is written about the expected form of the Third
Temple.

Once the architectural plans are completed, we will be going to the
Jerusalem Municipal Authorities to seek a building permit for the Third Temple.

We would be especially honored, at this time, to receive the support of
respected community leaders for this project. Individuals wishing to contribute
can go onto the web site of the Temple Institute;
https://www.templeinstitute.org/donate.htm and contribute from that platform. It
is essential that you indicate that you want your money going to the Temple
Building fund, and you must click on the contact button, found lower down on the
page, and specify in the contact box that your contribution is to be earmarked
for creation of the architectural plans for the Temple. Contributions can be
made tax deductible in America, upon request.

I thank-you ahead of time for your support for this project

Truly Yours,

Boruch Fishman

Director of People for a Bill to Build the Bet HaMikdash

 

[DennisTate]

Why concern ourselves with rebuilding the temple when we have Christ, who is greater than the temple? God took the temple away for a reason.

Good questions SoldierOfTheKing!

Basically it is because I firmly believe that the prophecy given to King Cyrus has enormous implications for the setting up of the factors that lead to the full fledged era of Messiah/Moshiach and even for the Islamic Mahdi that in my opinion may fit perfectly with the comments in Isaiah chapters 45 and 46:

Isaiah 45 (Blue Letter Bible: KJV - King James Version)

Thus saith the LORD to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut;

I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron:

......

I [am] the LORD, and [there is] none else, [there is] no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me

:....

I have raised him up in righteousness, and I will direct all his ways: he shall build my city, and he shall let go my captives, not for price nor reward, saith the LORD of hosts.

Several major Islamic scholars have risked their lives to express support for the Jewish people and their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple. These Islamic leaders have a much greater understanding of the message given to Isaiah than many Christian leaders seem to have!

One of the best explanation that I have ever seen for this was given to Pastor Rick Joyner in a visionary dream in 1995.

The Hordes of Hell are Marching

The Evil Army

I saw a demonic army so large that it stretched as far as I could see. It was separated into divisions, with each carrying a different banner. The foremost and most powerful divisions were Pride, Self righteousness, Respectability, Selfish Ambition, and Unrighteous Judgment, but the largest of all was Jealousy. The leader of this vast army was the Accuser of the Brethren himself. I knew that there were many more evil divisions beyond my scope of vision, but these were the vanguard of this terrible horde from hell that was now being released against the church.

The weapons carried buy this horde had names on them: the swords were named Intimidation; the spears were named Treachery; and their arrows were named Accusations, Gossip, Slander and Faultfinding. Scouts and smaller companies of demons with such names as Rejection, Bitterness, Impatience, Unforgiveness and Lust were sent in advance of this army to prepare for the main attack. I knew in my heart that the church had never faced anything like this before.

The main assignment of this army was to cause division. It was sent to attack every level of relationship-churches with each other, congregations with their pastors, husbands and wives, children and parents, and even children with each other. The scouts were sent to locate the openings in churches, families or individuals that rejection, bitterness, lust, etc., could exploit and make a larger breech for the divisions that were coming.

The most shocking part of this vision was that this horde was not riding on horses, but on Christians! Most of them were welldressed, respectable, and had the appearance of being refined and educated. These were Christians who had opened themselves to the powers of darkness to such a degree that the enemy could use them and they would think that they were being used by God. The Accuser knows that a house divided cannot stand, and this army represented his ultimate attempt to bring such complete division to the church that she would completely fall from grace.

This visionary dream goes a long way toward explaining what happened to famous Christians reformers who began with a relatively tolerant attitude toward people with a different opinion than they had but toward the end of their careers they expressed ideas that were astonishingly harsh and not at all in line with the teachings of Rabbi Jesus/Yahushua.

 

[interpreter]

I was forced to select the last option because a third temple is not prophesied, The third temple concept is based on a mis-translation of Daniel.

 

[Supreme]

It's a tough one.

Part of me feels that the Jews should have a Temple on their holiest site. After all, there existed two temples for hundreds of years that was the centre of the Jewish world. The Dome of the Rock was deliberately built on the Temple Mount, as Muslims see the site as sacred too. Yet Muslims have Mecca and Medina, which are more holy to them than Jerusalem.

Another part of me feels that the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa are both incredible beautiful works of art (although, in terms of religious architecture, nothing compares to the beauty of the 2nd Temple imo). Muslims have been praying at the site for a thousand years. Moreover, the Temple Mount was disused for hundreds of years before the Muslims built Al Aqsa on top of it. It was destroyed by the Romans; it wasn't as if the Muslims came and deliberately demolished the Temple to build their mosque.

I guess the best we can do is sharing the site, so that Jews and Muslims have equal access to the Temple Mount. Yet I know that the two sides hate each other too much to ever make that a practical solution.

 

[DennisTate]

I believe Christians are suppose to support everyone.So I would have to say yes.

Cats are not only awesome but one person in six who reports having a near death experience actually meets with a former pet!!!!!!!

This is especially true in the case of children who have an NDE.

 

[LOCO]

You can't take it with you.

"When she gets there she knows, if the stores are all closed With a word she can get what she came for"
Don't worry, Gods "white sale" rules.

 

[Kalevalatar]

Christians should support Jews in accepting our Lord Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, the Jews will remain just as lost as their Muslim neighbours, and building temples will do nothing to save them.

 

[SpiritualAntiseptic]

I would say that Jesus is the third temple, so I can't imagine why Christians would want to fund it.

 

[Trogool]

I personally was greatly encouraged by the response that I received to this question when I posed it on the Christian Heritage Party of Canada discussion forum.

Most certainly not!

1. Why would we?
2. It would greatly destabilize the region
3. There are already beautiful buildings that are UNESCO World Heritage Sites on the Temple Mount: the Dome of the Rock and Al Aqsa. Why on earth would we destroy them?

 

[jlujan69]

Jesus' parting orders to His followers were to preach the gospel and make disciples. We were also commanded to love each other so unbelievers would know we belonged to Him. Whatever a Christian does publicly should promote the Gospel and Christ in some way. If this temple is going to be rebuilt and used by (unconverted) Jews to resume animal sacrifices in the belief that God will once again look with favor upon them, then the last thing a Christian should do is support its rebuilding since Christ is the Lamb.

 

[marshlewis]

Christians should support Jews in accepting our Lord Jesus Christ. Without Jesus Christ, the Jews will remain just as lost as their Muslim neighbours, and building temples will do nothing to save them.

It always trips me out when you go all christian out of nowhere.

 

[DennisTate]

I truly appreciate all your replies...you have given me a lot to think about!

Yesterday I read part of Grant R. Jeffrey's chapter on the The Ark of the Covenant and the Rebuilding of the Temple in his 1989 version of Armageddon, Appointment with Destiny!

At that time he seemed to have the impression that it was obvious that the Jewish people had to rebuild their Third Temple before certain Messianic prophecies could come to pass and the full fledged era of Messiah/Moshiach could be ushered in.

This morning I did a search for Grant Jeffrey, Jerusalem Temple and was rather disappointed to read that at this time he seems to be exceptionally worried about the coming of the anti-Messiah....which is logical of course...but it sure seems to me that his ideas back in 1989 were more in line with that of Joshua and Caleb whereas at this time he seems to be getting more in line with the attitude of fear and helplessness expressed by the ten other spies?!

 

[DennisTate]

I would say that Jesus is the third temple, so I can't imagine why Christians would want to fund it.

The Jewish people are definitely not asking for funding for the project from Christians but they just want some political support from the people who believe in the validity of the words of Isaiah and Ezekiel regarding what must happen in Jerusalem!

 

[Kalevalatar]

It always trips me out when you go all christian out of nowhere.

Would you prefer my posts to be incessant rants about the four horsemen, the anti-christ and not forgetting the gay mafia?

Jlujan69 puts it so much more eloquently and I share his words 100%.