Killing Children is Justified

[jay1]

False concept. Strawman question (Even if unintentionally)

Well, what is the purpose of this life if not to wait for gods judgement and life everlasting?

 

[jay1]

We can cut to the chase:



That's not what happened. Again, you won't see what DID happen until you recognize, what stage was Elisha's ministry in? You need to look deeper

The bible says it did happen, what minstry would be worth that?

 

[jay1]

Typically when you see references to "gods" it is man made gods or rulers or kings, idols, principalities, powers, etc... like pharaoh was as he proclaimed himself a god.
As for only one ruler in the afterlife I agree many religions say this too. It comes down to choice based upon what you can accept as evidence, and in Christianity it requires going a little beyond the evidence into faith.

What evidence is there?

 

[jay1]

You're forgetting there is a devil who is called the god of this world. This is something many Christians, and nearly all atheists, seem to forget. He's not the little dude with a pitchfork and a spikey tail either. Revelation describes him as a powerful dragon with great power and might, and anger too... for he knows his time is short.

So the devil is a god?

 

[jay1]

No need to do a search, God's justice allows for someone to step up and take your punishment on your behalf but you have to agree that he is your advocate and that requires you to put your faith in him to save you. If you agree then God punishes himself for your sins and that punishment takes place in a dimension that allows it to happen on the cross 2000 years ago just as if he was punished when you are found guilty in God's court.
BTW... Jesus is not a whipping boy. He is not assigned to take punishment of people that do not treat him as their Lord and savior and God, one must essentially ask (beg) him to do so in faith otherwise he will refuse.

But if someone takes my punishment am i being punished?

 

[jay1]

Typically when you see references to "gods" it is man made gods or rulers or kings, idols, principalities, powers, etc... like pharaoh was as he proclaimed himself a god.
As for only one ruler in the afterlife I agree many religions say this too. It comes down to choice based upon what you can accept as evidence, and in Christianity it requires going a little beyond the evidence into faith.

Typically? so not every time?

 

[jay1]

Guys, it has been great talking to you but i am afraid i have to go to bed.

Thank you for taking the time.

 

[Ash Crimson]

So the devil is a god?

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Some Christians even say the gods of "false" religions are actually devils, or "demons" so in a sense gods are devils, if you look at it that way.

When man sinned, the devil was given authority to rule this world that rightfully belonged to man. Christ won that back by defeating the devil on the cross and in hell. This is the message of the Gospel.

 

[jay1]

In a manner of speaking, yes.

Some Christians even say the gods of "false" religions are actually devils, or "demons" so in a sense gods are devils, if you look at it that way.

But not your God, I assume?

When man sinned, the devil was given authority to rule this world that rightfully belonged to man. Christ won that back by defeating the devil on the cross and in hell. This is the message of the Gospel.

If the devil is already defeated why do we need Armageddon?

 

[Sophrosyne]

What evidence is there?

What evidence do you want? I see no use in wasting my time proving a false god exists or not to an atheist that refuses to believe God exists in the first place.

 

[Ash Crimson]

If the devil is already defeated why do we need Armageddon?

What's that exactly?

I don't believe Revelation is literal. Look up Preterism for my views. Again, it's a spiritually discerned book; NOT a literal 'this is going to happen exactly like this fantasy' book.

The devil is bound and we are living in the millenium of Revelation 20 if you must know.

 

[Sophrosyne]

But if someone takes my punishment am i being punished?

An obvious question.... the answer is no.
Salvation is escaping punishment that God demands for sin.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Typically? so not every time?

Typically in that at times Satan (the god of this world) sometimes is behind some of these gods but other times they are just fictional gods of no power or consequence people that worship nature etc or exalt people as god.

 

[Publius]

I deleted most of my post. The rules here say we're not allowed to debate and most of my post was debating. But since razedonrock asked a similar question, I'll keep this one point.

The Bible says "little children" where does it say they were not

What translation are you reading that says "little children"?

The word translated "children" in the KJV is naar, which is used a total of 240 times in the Old Testament. Of these, only 16 of them refer to children, while it is used to refer to grown men 128 times, including King Solomon in 1 Kings 3:7. Are you now claiming that Solomon was "a little child"?

While it's not impossible that it could mean little children, it's extremely unlikely that the events described in the passage could have been carried out by little children.

Little children marching to the outskirts of town? Little children mocking aprophet of God? Little children plotting to kill a prophet of God? Little children making references to Elijah?

If these were indeed little children, then they were incredibly advanced little children.

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Salvation is escaping punishment that God demands for sin.

Wouldn't that mean we were saved from God then?

 

[Publius]

Wouldn't that mean we were saved from God then?

Yep. Romans 5:9 - "Since, therefore, we have now been justified by his blood, much more shall we be saved by him from the wrath of God. "

 

[Ishraqiyun]

Yeah, I've read that before but it still doesn't make a lot of sense to me when interpreted in a literal manner like that. I tend to think he is calling the suffering we experience when we turn away from God "the wrath of God". Either that or the suffering we bring upon ourselves in the next life.

 

[razeontherock]

Well, what is the purpose of this life if not to wait for gods judgement and life everlasting?

Waiting is a passive term. The Bible does not describe a life pleasing to the Lord, in passive terms. That would be more like being settled on your lees.

As I see it so far, the purpose of this life is to be reconciled to G-d. To learn to love what He loves, and to learn to hate what He hates. That latter part is far more difficult for me, but I assure it does NOT involve hating children. I see a total of 7 things that the Bible reveals that God hates.

God's Judgment will be just. Those that can't stand His Presence now, won't be forced to endure it for eternity. The only problem with that, is He is so large that avoiding Him leaves you with ... not much. And nothing you would want.

 

[razeontherock]

The bible says it did happen, what minstry would be worth that?

You have misrepresented what the Bible says about the bear. You are also failing to give proper respect to one of the greatest Prophets to ever live. He was following on the heels of Elijah, who in his own right had been a very hard act to follow. These "42 little children" are representative of all the doubt, whispering, backbiting, and even possible mocking of "the new kid."

What did Elisha have to do, to take over Elijah's mantle? You continue to assert your expertise in this field, you need to exert yourself a little more. He could not do what his mockers were demanding as proof of his ministry being valid, but they were silenced. Are you aware that Elisha did twice as many miracles as Elijah? That could have never happened with people talking behind his back, and yet the point here is not miracles for their own sake, but that God had a means of staying in touch with Israel.

 

[razeontherock]

The devil is bound and we are living in the millenium of Revelation 20 if you must know.

+1. This is the Orthodox understanding. This is what the author's student taught.