Killing Children is Justified

[jay1]

The Biblical concept of perfection is attainable, and much simpler than the one that makes you fear OCD

What is the biblical concept of perfection?

 

[razeontherock]

when this life is just a waiting room for heaven?

False concept. Strawman question (Even if unintentionally)

 

[Ash Crimson]

I'm not sure I understand the point here. Jay, you don't believe and that's fine. It's your choice. But if you're so set on NOT believing, which is fine, then why are you still here?

Why not go off and do your own thing?

I can't imagine you being willing to seek God on your own and I certainly can't imagine anyone here being remotely able to convert you, so what is to be gained by all of this?

 

[jay1]

You're not going to gain understanding from a single verse. You'll have to come to grips with ... (wait for it) ... the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE

Please provide the whole of scripture with "nephilim DNA" highlighted. Or just give me the verse as a starting point.

I don't believe the Bible mentions DNA of any sort.

 

[jay1]

He Judges the world in righteousness. You've never heard this?

So for you because the bible says that he judges the world in righteousness that every killing attributable to God in the Bible is righteous?

And you asked me to think, tut-tut.

 

[razeontherock]

We can cut to the chase:

the killing of children in horrific ways e.g. torn apart by a bear as punishment for name calling.

That's not what happened. Again, you won't see what DID happen until you recognize, what stage was Elisha's ministry in? You need to look deeper

 

[jay1]

If Jesus is your advocate he will take your punishment if you are found guilty for you. So I don't see bias would help him in any way.
If Jesus is not your advocate then you will take your own punishment if found guilty. God will show you your life and point out everything you did wrong and right and judge you accordingly. Unless you can prove by our bible God is unjust then you have nothing but your own opinion to stand on.

If Jesus takes my punishment can you say i am really being punished?

please do a google search for "whipping boy"

 

[jay1]

1) You are pretending to be able to reduce God Almighty to the level of humans. You can't.


I expect you to know better than that.
You don't know me why would you expect that?

2) We each get our day in Court, no worries there ...




(1 John 2:1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous"

Oh and:

"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (1 Peter 2:2) As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby"

Please see the posts exchanged with sophrosyne

 

[jay1]

Sorry you'll have to explain your "more fail than mercy" concept. And then we'll have to show you why you're wrong, which is getting tedious. there are much bigger things at stake here.

Some on this thread have said that the flood was to get rid of the Nephilim, therefore if the flood did not get rid of the Nephilim it was a failure

As to the tedium: God gave you free will you can leave.
The Nephilim coming back is why Israel had to act like the sword of the Lord, slaughtering. Again, you have to take the whole thing in context, and when you do it makes sense. (Not til then)

But Israel would not have had to act like the sword of the lord had the flood achieved it's intended aims. An omniscient god would have known this.

 

[jay1]

Rather circular, yes.



Again with your support fallacy. (Can we get Jane Mansfield to chime in here?)

No, Jane mansfield is dead. Been quite a few years, surprised you didn't hear.

Explain how it is fallacious to say that christians have supported the killing of children. i can provide quotes from other christians on this thread.

 

[Ash Crimson]

But Israel would not have had to act like the sword of the lord had the flood achieved it's intended aims. An omniscient god would have known this.

You're forgetting there is a devil who is called the god of this world. This is something many Christians, and nearly all atheists, seem to forget. He's not the little dude with a pitchfork and a spikey tail either. Revelation describes him as a powerful dragon with great power and might, and anger too... for he knows his time is short.

 

[jay1]

You won't like being separated from God for eternity that is why. Those who are found guilty of sin that do not have an advocate to plead for them on their behalf will be banished to Hell.
If you use your "gift" to reject the giver (God), he won't be amused and will repay you in kind with the gift of rejection when you reach the afterlife where he has dominion. Your rejection will be that you are banished forever from his sight.

As an atheist i have accepted that besides if i don't believe in god i can't believe in Heaven, if i can't believe in Heaven then i can't believe in Hell.

Are you good only because god will punish you?

 

[Sophrosyne]

If Jesus takes my punishment can you say i am really being punished?

please do a google search for "whipping boy"

No need to do a search, God's justice allows for someone to step up and take your punishment on your behalf but you have to agree that he is your advocate and that requires you to put your faith in him to save you. If you agree then God punishes himself for your sins and that punishment takes place in a dimension that allows it to happen on the cross 2000 years ago just as if he was punished when you are found guilty in God's court.
BTW... Jesus is not a whipping boy. He is not assigned to take punishment of people that do not treat him as their Lord and savior and God, one must essentially ask (beg) him to do so in faith otherwise he will refuse.

 

[jay1]

Those gods are either imaginary or are banished also from God's sight where you will end up. God is the only ruler in the afterlife, believe it or not.

God has imaginary Gods. seems strange.

The only ruler in his afterlife, ask any other religion.

 

[jay1]

Actually no, that disinformation is based on the wrong thinking you have been fed.

Sorry, but i can come up with ideas on my own.

We all have it. Jesus addressed it too, saying a good man brings things out of his heart, both good and bad. The next step should be obvious: discard the bad, keep what is good.

then jesus cannot punish you for being bad, it is to be expected.

IF you're willing to accept yourself being a novice on the broad subject, and you wish to come to a valid understanding that brings benefit to you, a really good way to do that is to intentionally clear the memory banks, and start with the Gospel of John, then read through the NT to the end. Forget about trying to understand it, just read it first. Some parts will make sense, some won't. If you need to catalogue the questions that come up, well go ahead, but hold off on those at least til you make it to the end.

You think so little of me. I have read it and the OT. These are some of my questions

You think i am at stage 1 whereas i am at stage 2. Besides you have to read the OT to understand the NT
I'm describing a process we've all gone through ... I have a few more shortcuts as well.

Who is all?

 

[Sophrosyne]

God has imaginary Gods. seems strange.

The only ruler in his afterlife, ask any other religion.

Typically when you see references to "gods" it is man made gods or rulers or kings, idols, principalities, powers, etc... like pharaoh was as he proclaimed himself a god.
As for only one ruler in the afterlife I agree many religions say this too. It comes down to choice based upon what you can accept as evidence, and in Christianity it requires going a little beyond the evidence into faith.

 

[jay1]

Pretty simple! By not being "settled on your lees," and by not thinking that the Lord will neither do good or evil.

Settled on your lees? settled on sediment of wine in the barrel. Why would this displease god?

So you should think that God will do evil?

 

[jay1]

CORRECTION: you have not recognized the Biblical basis of what you have been told, because you're not familiar with it.

i am very familiar with the Bible.

No sir, it can very solidly be said that based on the Bible, as it uses the word, love is NOT merely an emotion.

Then what is love?

 

[jay1]

Judgment by works

But if God does evil who judges him?

 

[jay1]

They can not save you

says whom?