Killing Children is Justified

[Hentenza]

True, but God seems to have really been of his time. Quite a lot of violent death is attributable to God. Why did God join in so much? surely he should have been above that?

What would have made more of an impression on the people of the time: Killing as others did or setting an example?

Jay, God is not just a God of love but also a God of justice. His nature includes several attributes. There is death in the OT but one can't just isolate a verse or two and create an opinion outside of context. There are both contextual, historical, and theological explanations for some of the "harder" passages in scripture, however, I am not going to sugar coat it, God does effect judgment. It is His purview.

Christians do not advocate for the death of children. In fact, a great many of the charities that work to save children are Christian. Our argument here in this thread addresses your arguments that God kills children. We disagree with you and are willing to explain the "hard" verses from a biblical perspective. Our responsibility as Christians is to explain them to the best of our ability but it remains you responsibility whether you want to accept the explanation or not.

 

[razeontherock]

You are Human, you can never be perfect.

The Biblical concept of perfection is attainable, and much simpler than the one that makes you fear OCD

 

[razeontherock]

God spared children beacuse they didn't have Nephilim DNA?
Bible verse please

You're not going to gain understanding from a single verse. You'll have to come to grips with ... (wait for it) ... the WHOLE OF SCRIPTURE

 

[jay1]

You can question it, but after seeing the evidence in court you know you won't have any option but to plead for mercy.

Why would i have to plead for mercy? For questioning God's justification in killing?

Surely, questioning something is just using what God gave you, a brain. Will i be punished for using God's gift?

 

[razeontherock]

No more like do you sanction the actions of a child killer? How can you love God when he does this?

He Judges the world in righteousness. You've never heard this?

 

[Sophrosyne]

But Jesus is God. Basic Christian doctrine.

Explain how Jesus would not be biased.

If he is not allowed to be your advocate then how are you represented fairly in God's court?

If Jesus is your advocate he will take your punishment if you are found guilty for you. So I don't see bias would help him in any way.
If Jesus is not your advocate then you will take your own punishment if found guilty. God will show you your life and point out everything you did wrong and right and judge you accordingly. Unless you can prove by our bible God is unjust then you have nothing but your own opinion to stand on.

 

[jay1]

You are only out of his jurisdiction if you are not part of his creation. If you can undo your molecules and reconstitute yourself outside of his universe into another one without using God's atoms, then that would be a start but you will still owe him your soul that he gave you.

Surely i could appeal to one of the other Gods that even your god says exists.

Commandment 1: thou shalt have no other gods before me.

This is what God himself inscribed on the tablets that he gave to Moses. Why would he say this if there were no other gods?

 

[razeontherock]

1) You are pretending to be able to reduce God Almighty to the level of humans. You can't.

I'm Human what do you expect?

I expect you to know better than that.

2) We each get our day in Court, no worries there ...

Who will be your lawyer? a person who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client..

(1 John 2:1) My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous"

Oh and:

"Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, and all evil speakings, (1 Peter 2:2) As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby"

 

[razeontherock]

If the purpose of the flood was to get rid of the Nephilim,as others have said on this thread, then surely that is more fail than mercy.

The Nephilim came back so was the whole flood pointless?

Sorry you'll have to explain your "more fail than mercy" concept. And then we'll have to show you why you're wrong, which is getting tedious. there are much bigger things at stake here.

The Nephilim coming back is why Israel had to act like the sword of the Lord, slaughtering. Again, you have to take the whole thing in context, and when you do it makes sense. (Not til then)

 

[jay1]

Then your question in post #115 is moot

But you do believe, therefore it is not moot as i am asking you not God.

 

[razeontherock]

Why would i shake my fist at something i do not believe exists? seems pointless.

Rather circular, yes.

My issue is not with God but with Christians supporting child murder, as has happened on this thread

Again with your support fallacy. (Can we get Jane Mansfield to chime in here?)

 

[jay1]

If G-d were to Judge us fairly we'd all be doomed! And this is why you're spinning in circles with your questions; you know that, but your flesh doesn't like the idea so you look for another answer. (You'll notice, it's not forthcoming.)

So God will judge us unfairly?

I am quite happy not believing in God, i'm fine with the idea that after this life there is nothing. It motivates me to use this life. What motivation do you have to do anything when this life is just a waiting room for heaven?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Why would i have to plead for mercy? For questioning God's justification in killing?

You won't like being separated from God for eternity that is why. Those who are found guilty of sin that do not have an advocate to plead for them on their behalf will be banished to Hell.

Surely, questioning something is just using what God gave you, a brain. Will i be punished for using God's gift?

If you use your "gift" to reject the giver (God), he won't be amused and will repay you in kind with the gift of rejection when you reach the afterlife where he has dominion. Your rejection will be that you are banished forever from his sight.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Surely i could appeal to one of the other Gods that even your god says exists.

Commandment 1: thou shalt have no other gods before me.

This is what God himself inscribed on the tablets that he gave to Moses. Why would he say this if there were no other gods?

Those gods are either imaginary or are banished also from God's sight where you will end up. God is the only ruler in the afterlife, believe it or not.

 

[razeontherock]

The info. i have accumulated over the years has been from the Bible, how can a christian tell me that is wrong?

Actually no, that disinformation is based on the wrong thinking you have been fed. We all have it. Jesus addressed it too, saying a good man brings things out of his heart, both good and bad. The next step should be obvious: discard the bad, keep what is good.

IF you're willing to accept yourself being a novice on the broad subject, and you wish to come to a valid understanding that brings benefit to you, a really good way to do that is to intentionally clear the memory banks, and start with the Gospel of John, then read through the NT to the end. Forget about trying to understand it, just read it first. Some parts will make sense, some won't. If you need to catalogue the questions that come up, well go ahead, but hold off on those at least til you make it to the end.

I'm describing a process we've all gone through ... I have a few more shortcuts as well.

 

[razeontherock]

How would you escape punishment there?

Pretty simple! By not being "settled on your lees," and by not thinking that the Lord will neither do good or evil.

 

[razeontherock]

I have not really seen any sound biblically based answers.

CORRECTION: you have not recognized the Biblical basis of what you have been told, because you're not familiar with it.

Love is an emotion

No sir, it can very solidly be said that based on the Bible, as it uses the word, love is NOT merely an emotion.

 

[razeontherock]

But Jesus is God. Basic Christian doctrine.

Explain how Jesus would not be biased.

If he is not allowed to be your advocate then how are you represented fairly in God's court?

Judgment by works

 

[jay1]

Jay, God is not just a God of love but also a God of justice. His nature includes several attributes. There is death in the OT but one can't just isolate a verse or two and create an opinion outside of context. There are both contextual, historical, and theological explanations for some of the "harder" passages in scripture, however, I am not going to sugar coat it, God does effect judgment. It is His purview.

Not arguing with that but i can question his means of judgement

Christians do not advocate for the death of children. In fact, a great many of the charities that work to save children are Christian. Our argument here in this thread addresses your arguments that God kills children. We disagree with you and are willing to explain the "hard" verses from a biblical perspective. Our responsibility as Christians is to explain them to the best of our ability but it remains you responsibility whether you want to accept the explanation or not.

I know about the christian charities, fine work they do. What concerns me is chrstians supporting the killing of children in horrific ways e.g. torn apart by a bear as punishment for name calling.

And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
2:24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.

Sketcher seems to think this is entirely justified, do you?
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I do, too. God has every right to protect His prophet and to uphold the authority of His Word. -plubius

How was God protecting his prophet? where was the danger?
It is the wholehearted agreement with it that concerns me. Surely God would forgive you for not liking that he killed children, why support what most people would class as horrific?

 

[razeontherock]

Surely i could appeal to one of the other Gods that even your god says exists.

Commandment 1: thou shalt have no other gods before me.

This is what God himself inscribed on the tablets that he gave to Moses. Why would he say this if there were no other gods?

They can not save you