Killing Children is Justified

[jay1]

You'll notice my responses have been carefully gauged to that expectation. If he really wants to seek answers, my responses will help him tremendously. If he either expects to be spoon-fed (which never helps an adult) or just argue for it's own sake ... pffft



Again, this is VERY relevant tot eh OP's concerns. In the first scenario, it was only little children that were spared; those who couldn't possibly be carrying on Nephilim DNA, to be anachronistic about it. In the "dashing little ones against the rocks," it is indeed not God Himself doing it, and it is actually a Spiritual application; again, taking up our own Cross, and following Him!

(Which does not mean it had no literal, physical, or historical application)

God spared children beacuse they didn't have Nephilim DNA?
Bible verse please

 

[jay1]

Every so often someone gets stuck on this "support this" concept. It does not apply! How could we "support this," even if we wanted to? How could we do anything other than "support this," even if we wanted to?

Do you support gravity?

No more like do you sanction the actions of a child killer? How can you love God when he does this?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Arguement is a form of debate. What you describe as combative i would describe as putting forward my opinion.

This is not a forum for preaching against Christianity, it is for those who honestly are trying to understand what Christianity is about that are not Christians to engage in a discussion. By consistently rejecting sound biblically based answers with your own opinion you are being combative. Using rhetoric that appeals to emotion and defames God in the process is not honest engagement but instead akin to warring against those who are here.

 

[jay1]

1) You are pretending to be able to reduce God Almighty to the level of humans. You can't.

I'm Human what do you expect?

2) We each get our day in Court, no worries there ...

Who will be your lawyer? a person who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client..

 

[jay1]

well personally I think drowning perhaps millions of babies via the Noah story is enough of an example to use to set the stage of God vs babies/children/innocents etc. We don't need other stories to prove God is either a mass murderer in Noah's time or we have to assume God was justified in death of most of mankind by a flood. One would have to most likely choose one of the two answers as I cannot think of any other reasonably logical answer.

We can however question the justification

 

[jay1]

You call it a mistake, the rest of us call it Mercy ... tomato tomah-to?

If the purpose of the flood was to get rid of the Nephilim,as others have said on this thread, then surely that is more fail than mercy.

The Nephilim came back so was the whole flood pointless?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Who will be your lawyer? a person who defends themselves in court has a fool for a client..

The bible says we have an advocate (Lawyer) in God's court. His name is Jesus. If you reject him however he is not allowed to be your lawyer and you are on your own.

 

[jay1]

And who would you have judge more correctly than God himself? If you do not first accept Christianity's definition of God then us trying to explain anything to you is an exercise in futility because by rejecting God as a perfect Judge then you are using a strawman. A perfect God does not need to let people defend themselves because he will not judge incorrectly in the first place.

Surely, as an atheist, i am out of his jurisdiction.

 

[jay1]

G-d is knowable, His Truth is knowable, and He is not mocked. Are you interested in understanding the stories, or are you merely shaking your fist at God, whom you don't really believe exists anyway?

Billy Preston Sings "Will It Go Round in Circles" on "The Tonight Show" — 1973 - YouTube

Why would i shake my fist at something i do not believe exists? seems pointless.

My issue is not with God but with Christians supporting child murder, as has happened on this thread

 

[Sophrosyne]

We can however question the justification

You can question it, but after seeing the evidence in court you know you won't have any option but to plead for mercy.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Surely, as an atheist, i am out of his jurisdiction.

You are only out of his jurisdiction if you are not part of his creation. If you can undo your molecules and reconstitute yourself outside of his universe into another one without using God's atoms, then that would be a start but you will still owe him your soul that he gave you.

 

[jay1]

I am an advocate for children so I hold a soft spot in my heart for them.

Who doesn't, the little cuties

I've read the bible many times and I don't buy for a minute that God simply killed children. There are many stories in the bible where children do die but all of us do die at some point.

But to die by having your head bashed against a rock, wouldn't be my choice. Why not just take them in their sleep?

In my opinion, God knows when each one of us is going to die so merely depicting their time of death in scripture seems logical. Secondly, the historical times depicted in the old testament were much more barbaric than they are now and violent death much more prevalent.

True, but God seems to have really been of his time. Quite a lot of violent death is attributable to God. Why did God join in so much? surely he should have been above that?

What would have made more of an impression on the people of the time: Killing as others did or setting an example?

 

[jay1]

No, question not even addressed. I did ask nicely for you to prove something other than what you don'rt understand, did I not?

You need to start from square 1, in recognition of the fact you really don't understand any of this. Clinging to whatever partial info you may have accumulated over the years and turned into a mish-mash, is just confusing you.

And you'll find wiping that out is a process, and it is not to be replaced with somebody else's ideas. This is why I have challenged you to THINK, rather than handing out dumbed-down oversimplified answers that might please you.

That is the first time that a Christian has asked me to think. Love the novelty.

What is not to understand about the quotation i put up?

Earlier you described me as a novice, why would you not treat me as such?

The info. i have accumulated over the years has been from the Bible, how can a christian tell me that is wrong?

 

[jay1]

Unfortunately no. We don't have a general apologetics forum where both believers and unbelievers can debate together. We used to have one but it was toxic and we closed it.

That is a shame. A free and open debate would have been great.

 

[jay1]

Better!

(Zephaniah 1:12) And it shall come to pass at that time, [that] I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil."

How would you escape punishment there?

 

[jay1]

lol But can you prove that He does not exist?

Let me ask you a question: Would God act to save his church/followers?

 

[jay1]

This is not a forum for preaching against Christianity, it is for those who honestly are trying to understand what Christianity is about that are not Christians to engage in a discussion. By consistently rejecting sound biblically based answers with your own opinion you are being combative. Using rhetoric that appeals to emotion and defames God in the process is not honest engagement but instead akin to warring against those who are here.

I am not preaching against Christianity, i am trying to understand the dichotomy of a God that you love who does such terrible things.

Who else do you ask about this except christians?

I have not really seen any sound biblically based answers. I have peoples opinions of their interpretation of God.

Love is an emotion, you say you love God. How can i question that without sounding emotive?

 

[razeontherock]

No i don't believe he said it because it would be hard with him not existing n'that

Then your question in post #115 is moot

 

[jay1]

The bible says we have an advocate (Lawyer) in God's court. His name is Jesus. If you reject him however he is not allowed to be your lawyer and you are on your own.

But Jesus is God. Basic Christian doctrine.

Explain how Jesus would not be biased.

If he is not allowed to be your advocate then how are you represented fairly in God's court?

 

[razeontherock]

God will judge us but not necessarily fairly

If G-d were to Judge us fairly we'd all be doomed! And this is why you're spinning in circles with your questions; you know that, but your flesh doesn't like the idea so you look for another answer. (You'll notice, it's not forthcoming.)