Killing Children is Justified

[jay1]

God did this? Book chapter verse please.



If you read the story that way it makes no sense. Why did the animals have to die? "All flesh was corrupted." The only one left human, was Noah. Apparently at least some from his family was also corrupted, because we see Nephilim spring back up.

Did God make a mistake in who should be allowed on the Ark? surely he didn't want the corrupted?

 

[Sophrosyne]

You'll notice my responses have been carefully gauged to that expectation. If he really wants to seek answers, my responses will help him tremendously. If he either expects to be spoon-fed (which never helps an adult) or just argue for it's own sake ... pffft



Again, this is VERY relevant tot eh OP's concerns. In the first scenario, it was only little children that were spared; those who couldn't possibly be carrying on Nephilim DNA, to be anachronistic about it. In the "dashing little ones against the rocks," it is indeed not God Himself doing it, and it is actually a Spiritual application; again, taking up our own Cross, and following Him!

(Which does not mean it had no literal, physical, or historical application)

well personally I think drowning perhaps millions of babies via the Noah story is enough of an example to use to set the stage of God vs babies/children/innocents etc. We don't need other stories to prove God is either a mass murderer in Noah's time or we have to assume God was justified in death of most of mankind by a flood. One would have to most likely choose one of the two answers as I cannot think of any other reasonably logical answer.

 

[jay1]

What were the circumstances

Tell me the circumstances that would make it right

, and what was the point of the story?
If you need to make a point by killing children then possibly it's not a point worth making.
You don't know, so what place do you have to opine?

Well i am in good company for how can you know?

 

[razeontherock]

Did God make a mistake in who should be allowed on the Ark? surely he didn't want the corrupted?

You call it a mistake, the rest of us call it Mercy ... tomato tomah-to?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Surely to be judged correctly you should have the opportunity to defend yourself.

If your Government judged you in your absence then sentenced you to death, for you don't know what, would you consider this as being judged fairly?

And who would you have judge more correctly than God himself? If you do not first accept Christianity's definition of God then us trying to explain anything to you is an exercise in futility because by rejecting God as a perfect Judge then you are using a strawman. A perfect God does not need to let people defend themselves because he will not judge incorrectly in the first place.

 

[razeontherock]

Well i am in good company for how can you know?

G-d is knowable, His Truth is knowable, and He is not mocked. Are you interested in understanding the stories, or are you merely shaking your fist at God, whom you don't really believe exists anyway?

Billy Preston Sings "Will It Go Round in Circles" on "The Tonight Show" — 1973 - YouTube

 

[jay1]

I wrote: G-d is not about to go killing people, outside of His Judgment.


To which you responded:



Prove it.

But do try to prove something other than what you don't understand, ok?

The ark of God was placed on a new cart and taken away from the house of Abinadab on the hill. Uzzah and Ahio, sons of Abinadab guided the cart, with Ahio walking before it, while David and all the Israelites made merry before the Lord with all their strength, with singing and with citharas, harps, tambourines, sistrums, and cymbals. When they came to the threshing floor of Nodan, Uzzah reached out his hand to the ark of God to steady it, for the oxen were making it tip. But the Lord was angry with Uzzah; God struck him on that spot, and he died there before God. 2 Samuel 6:3-7


Killed by God for not letting the ark fall?
Question answered?

 

[jay1]

This is reinforced in Revelation. What makes you think God is love, and not wrath? Are you another one that's going to go on the misguided "omnibenevolent" binge?

Reality - deal with it.

If God isn't benevolent is he malevolent?

 

[Hentenza]

Hi Hentenza

But there are other instances, not restricted to this one, that are not visions.
If god had killed the children or other places in the bible where he did, do you support this?

I am an advocate for children so I hold a soft spot in my heart for them. I've read the bible many times and I don't buy for a minute that God simply killed children. There are many stories in the bible where children do die but all of us do die at some point. In my opinion, God knows when each one of us is going to die so merely depicting their time of death in scripture seems logical. Secondly, the historical times depicted in the old testament were much more barbaric than they are now and violent death much more prevalent.

 

[jay1]

People die. It's part of life.

But when people are murdered we do not have to accept it as part of life. We can say that is wrong and do our best to stop it.

 

[razeontherock]

No, question not even addressed. I did ask nicely for you to prove something other than what you don'rt understand, did I not?

You need to start from square 1, in recognition of the fact you really don't understand any of this. Clinging to whatever partial info you may have accumulated over the years and turned into a mish-mash, is just confusing you.

And you'll find wiping that out is a process, and it is not to be replaced with somebody else's ideas. This is why I have challenged you to THINK, rather than handing out dumbed-down oversimplified answers that might please you.

 

[Hentenza]

Can this be moved to somewhere debating is allowed please?

Unfortunately no. We don't have a general apologetics forum where both believers and unbelievers can debate together. We used to have one but it was toxic and we closed it.

 

[jay1]

Its not people dying I have an issue with its murder I dislike

Well said.

 

[razeontherock]

If God isn't benevolent is he malevolent?

Better!

(Zephaniah 1:12) And it shall come to pass at that time, [that] I will search Jerusalem with candles, and punish the men that are settled on their lees: that say in their heart, The LORD will not do good, neither will he do evil."

 

[jay1]

The event can be both historic, and Prophetic. Many things in the Bible have layers of meaning.

Your query is THE most basic element of Christianity:

(Romans 11:22) "Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in [his] goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

The guy that saved the Ark of God falling over being killed. God's goodness? if not why was he cut off?

What, you thought He was joking when Jesus said "repent?"

No i don't believe he said it because it would be hard with him not existing n'that

 

[jay1]

You're talking about the flood. There were no innocent bystanders. Even some of those saved, were corrupt and should've been Judged.

So God aided andf abetted the corrupt?

The whole point here is God WILL Judge us, and it is real. Even when we don't like it. Not a difficult concept!

God will judge us but not necessarily fairly

 

[Hentenza]

No i don't believe he said it because it would be hard with him not existing n'that

lol But can you prove that He does not exist?

 

[jay1]

The OP seems more argumentative and combative than seeking answers. I don't recall the exact verse but in Samuel God ordered them to kill a group of people and not even let an animal survive it, other places in the bible I think hosea mention killing babies but it appears to be more prophetic and not necessarily pointing to God as who it actioning on it directly.

Arguement is a form of debate. What you describe as combative i would describe as putting forward my opinion.

 

[jay1]

God either forgives everything on the cross.... or nothing because to him one sin or 100 sins equals banishment from heaven. God forgave Saul of Tarsus who murdered Christians. If Saddam and Osama had repented and accepted Jesus they would be saved otherwise God is a liar. Shocking isn't it that God saves the worst there is?

I was not talking about God's forgiveness but yours.

 

[jay1]

There are lots of good people I know and respect and wish I was more like, but they aren't perfect and therefore cannot make the best role models, or at least that's how I see it. They also can't save me or take me to heaven like Jesus promises.

You are Human, you can never be perfect. Trying to chase perfection will lead to misery, ask anyone with OCD.

How do you know Jesus will take you to heaven?