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Interesting but no cigar. I would say almost counts only in horse shoes, washers and hand grenades but that really doesn't apply.
If Christ isn't a physical being then Who was this Jesus that claimed to be God?
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What was Jesus saying to Nicodemus in John 3? Was Jesus talking about some distant future event.
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seems to me that you are reading more in the verse than it states.
as stated, your answer did not include any reference to acts 2 and i saw no inference.
the bible says the direct opposite of you in relation to consciousness in death:
Psalms 146:4(NKJV)
4 His spirit departs, he returns to his earth; In that very day his plans perish. (see also eccl 9:5)
you do know that "the revelation" was a vision, right? a vision is not real, it's like a dream. so, the people in the books you referenced in revelation are also part of the vision, and the bible is quite clear as to where one goes at death:
Genesis 3:19(NKJV)
19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”
Ecclesiastes 9:10(NKJV)
10Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with your might; for there is no work or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.
the bible is clear about where one goes at death, the grave!
Psalms 6:5(NKJV)
5 For in death there is no remembrance of You; In the grave who will give You thanks? (the answer is no one of course, why? because they're dead!)
and study these verses carefully, job explains very nicely:
Job 14:10-15(NKJV)
10 But man dies and is laid away; Indeed he breathes his last And where is he?
11 As water disappears from the sea, And a river becomes parched and dries up,
12 So man lies down and does not rise. Till the heavens are no more, They will not awake Nor be roused from their sleep.
13 “Oh, that You would hide me in the grave, That You would conceal me until Your wrath is past, That You would appoint me a set time, and remember me!
14 If a man dies, shall he live again? All the days of my hard service I will wait, Till my change comes.
15 You shall call, and I will answer You; You shall desire the work of Your hands.
job knew that if one dies he's dead, not living, and he understood where one goes at death.
he also knew that unless one is brought back to life that one is still dead, or lifeless.
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OK have it your way after all it really is Buger King. Yeppers I disagree!!!!!
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Ecc. 3:19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.
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All your verse quotes apply only to the flesh of the body and attitudes of man about the deceased.
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exactly, David64!
i don't see how that's hard to understand. man and beast have the same physio-chemical existence.
Leviticus 17:13-14(NKJV)
13Whatever man of the children of Israel, or of the strangers who dwell among you, who hunts and catches any animal or bird that may be eaten, he shall pour out its blood and cover it with dust;
14for it is the life of all flesh. Its blood sustains its life. Therefore I said to the children of Israel, You shall not eat the blood of any flesh, for the life of all flesh is its blood. Whoever eats it shall be cut off.
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Breath isn't the soul. And if you're going to compare man to an animal all this God stuff is shear tom foolery..... and worthless vainty for one simple ceases to exist either righteous or wicked. Solomon didn't make a distinction. Therefore his statement applies to all and not just the wicked. IOW even the righteous are annihilated. So party harty cause it is over for every body at death.
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Actually, it applies to the person. Its simply speculation to say it belongs to a 'part' of a person.
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No one here has said, "breath is the soul",,,only you have somehow gotten that out of what David64 has posted...how you got it, we don't know...
God compares man to an animal...The Bible says so...so you don't kick against the goads!
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