What is death?

[from scratch]

will you explain why you disagree?

In the manner which I learned from the pro law crowd I already explained it so go look for your self. Obviously you didn't like my explanation and totally disregarded it. I will offer this though -

 

[JohnRabbit]

Breath isn't the soul. And if you're going to compare man to an animal all this God stuff is shear tom foolery..... and worthless vainty for one simple ceases to exist either righteous or wicked. Solomon didn't make a distinction. Therefore his statement applies to all and not just the wicked. IOW even the righteous are annihilated. So party harty cause it is over for every body at death.

1 Corinthians 15:12-19(NKJV)
12Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

there has to be a resurrection of the dead or else they will never live again!

 

[JohnRabbit]

In the manner which I learned from the pro law crowd I already explained it so go look for your self. Obviously you didn't like my explanation and totally disregarded it. I will offer this though -

thanks?

 

[JohnRabbit]

What do you think the 'soul' is?

he won't answer!

 

[YosemiteSam]

Scratch is out of this conversation... he went wayward... won't answer you John

 

[from scratch]

it seems we have a differing view here.

will you please elaborate?

I did.

 

[from scratch]

What do you think the 'soul' is?

All I can do is show you what the Bible says. In Gen 1 it clearly says breath isn't the soul. Which is what I already said. I don't know of any Scripture the defines the soul by or as some substance or thing. Yo need this to establish your doctrine so that is up to you to define. Be my guest. I'm all ears.

 

[David64]

In the manner which I learned from the pro law crowd I already explained it so go look for your self. Obviously you didn't like my explanation and totally disregarded it. I will offer this though -

God the Father and Jesus are both against sin; does that make them "Pro Law?"

 

[JohnRabbit]

Mikecpking,

you see?

i told you he wouldn't!

 

[from scratch]

Actually, it applies to the person. Its simply speculation to say it belongs to a 'part' of a person.

Then you're saying to me that all there is to a person is the body of flesh. The Scripture states the soul that sinneth it shall die yet some are given eternal life through Jesus Christ. It doesn't say the body that sins shall live or die in reference to the soul. The body has already received its unrevocable sentence of returning to dust. The soul doesn't return to dust. It also isn't breath that returns to God on the demise of the body. The soul is depicted as having different destinies according to certian facts that become unchangable upon the demise of the body.

 

[David64]

All I can do is show you what the Bible says. In Gen 1 it clearly says breath isn't the soul. Which is what I already said. I don't know of any Scripture the defines the soul by or as some substance or thing. Yo need this to establish your doctrine so that is upo to you to define. Be my guest. I'm all ears.

The Bible clearly says things that breathe are souls and that when they die they become dust again.

 

[from scratch]

No one here has said, "breath is the soul",,,only you have somehow gotten that out of what David64 has posted...how you got it, we don't know...

God compares man to an animal...The Bible says so...so you don't kick against the goads!

OK so we're only animals. As you wish. The Scripture doesn't describe an animal as having a soul that I know of. Man is different.

 

[David64]

Breath isn't the soul. And if you're going to compare man to an animal all this God stuff is shear tom foolery..... and worthless vainty for one simple ceases to exist either righteous or wicked. Solomon didn't make a distinction. Therefore his statement applies to all and not just the wicked. IOW even the righteous are annihilated. So party harty cause it is over for every body at death.

All I can say to that is .

 

[YosemiteSam]

OK so we're only animals. As you wish. The Scripture doesn't describe an animal as having a soul that I know of. Man is different.

Man is different only in the fact that he has a human spirit...It imparts intellect to the man...That is why we can reason, love, create etc...the human spirit gives us the power to understand the physical things around us...

 

[from scratch]

1 Corinthians 15:12-19(NKJV)
12Now if Christ is preached that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13But if there is no resurrection of the dead, then Christ is not risen.
14And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is empty and your faith is also empty.
15Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up—if in fact the dead do not rise.
16For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen.
17And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!
18Then also those who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
19If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men the most pitiable.

there has to be a resurrection of the dead or else they will never live again!

OK Please pay attention to what Paul says in your quote. Jesus discusses life after death. But it has been said here that it was only a parable meaning just a story. As you wish.

 

[JohnRabbit]

Then you're saying to me that all there is to a person is the body of flesh. The Scripture states the soul that sinneth it shall die yet some are given eternal life through Jesus Christ. It doesn't say the body that sins shall live or die in reference to the soul. The body has already received its unrevocable sentence of returning to dust. The soul doesn't return to dust. It also isn't breath that returns to God on the demise of the body. The soul is depicted as having different destinies according to certian facts that become unchangable upon the demise of the body.

i thought that the bible says that man is a soul!

Genesis 2:7(NKJV)
7And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

Genesis 2:7(KJV)
7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

man became a living soul, not man has a soul, immortal even!

 

[from scratch]

God the Father and Jesus are both against sin; does that make them "Pro Law?"

And so am I. And you know I'm not pro law. Being against sin is one thing. Being pro law is another. Sin was before the law and the reason for the law. And this doesn't relate to the OP.

 

[from scratch]

The Bible clearly says things that breathe are souls and that when they die they become dust again.

Verse please. Thanks.

 

[Mikecpking]

All I can do is show you what the Bible says. In Gen 1 it clearly says breath isn't the soul. Which is what I already said. I don't know of any Scripture the defines the soul by or as some substance or thing. Yo need this to establish your doctrine so that is upo to you to define. Be my guest. I'm all ears.

Hi Scratch,
I was asking you what a 'soul' was, and it isn't breath (which is ruach or nesemah).

Here are the main defintions of 'soul':
THE PICTURE - WINDOWS Nephesh - Psyche - Soul
The important passage in Genesis 2:7 sets the scene for this 'window - word' into the nature of personhood. An individual becomes a 'nephesh' from the infusion of divine breath into moulded dust. In physical terms 'nephesh' means, 'neck', 'throat', 'gullet' and came to mean 'life', that 'vital motion' which distinguishes a living being from a corpse.

'Nephesh' has such a variety of senses that we must make a careful definition in each particular case. Meanings overlap and are used side by side. It is easy to end up with contradictory statements about 'nephesh'. Here are some of the central statements about 'nephesh':-
• it is that vital life which is shared by both humans and animals [Gen 2:19].
• it is life that is bound up with the body, blood is the vehicle of nephesh [Dt 12:23], at death it dies [Nu 23:10] draining away with the blood, with resuscitation it 'returns'; not that it has gone anywhere.
• it can denote 'the living individual themselves' [Gen 14:21], and can replace the personal pronoun to create special emphasis [Ps 42:6], God uses it of himself [Am 6:8].
• it is strongly instinctive [animal] activity; desire, vital urge, feeling, emotion, mood [Dt 14:26].
• it is feelings and emotions of a spiritual kind; grief, pain, joy, peace, love [Ezk 27:31]; its highest expression is longing for God [Ps 25:1].

I hope that helps.

 

[from scratch]

All I can say to that is .

Are animals redeemed? Wasn't man compared to and put on the level of the animals? What happens to the animals? Do they have an after life? Not that I can tell. Such is told to a child losing a pet to comfort them, but is it the truth? Based on what?