What else do you believe? (Creationists only please)

What else to you believe? (Creationists only please)

  • Global warming / climate change is not happening or is a hoax.

  • Vaccinations are dangerous and should not be used.

  • The Earth is flat like a disc.

  • The Holocaust did not happen.

  • Members of the government (or other influencial people) are aliens.

  • The American Government was secretly behind 9/11.

  • None of the above.


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Greg1234

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This simply looks like a thread where Creationists should divulge information with a handle for ridicule without (once again) Darwinists having to provide data. Notice (creationists only) with Darwinists vulching, talons void of data, beaks overflowing with vitriol.

Tomatoman said:
Where I live creationism is seen as the result of (a) lack of education (b) brainwashing and (c) stupidity.
SignofGod said:
Succinct, true and to the point, I concur.

The lack of education added to brainwashing and stupidity means that the creationists are the last people in the world to realise that it's happening to them, they just can't see it.

How children are indoctrinated today is how it what was done to them years ago, you don't need to be blind not to see,
some just choose not to see.
Case in point.
 
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This simply looks like a thread where Creationists should divulge information with a handle for ridicule.
Then you give us some creationist information that does not invite ridicule, the very idea of creationism invites ridicule, even the people who believe it seem to be begging to be ridiculed.

It's one thing to believe in something that might or might not be, but it's quite another to believe in something that is completely impossible, like the creation, walking on water, the tower of Babel or the flood etc. especially when we have evidence to the contrary, denial is not a belief.
 
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Then you give us some creationist information that does not invite ridicule, the very idea of creationism invites ridicule, even the people who believe it seem to be begging to be ridiculed.
When a man ridicules another man for demonstrating that the sun is in outer space, you might want to check the flow of that ridicule.
 
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I will help the OP with what she is really after:

Global Warming is a hoax
The whole Ozone Layer crisis was a crock.
God is real.
The Bible should be taken literally.
The Conservative ideals line up more closely (though not entirely) with Biblical teachings.
Less government is ALWAYS better.
Evolution is a religion and should not be taught in schools (Neither should Creationism).
The Tea Party movement is the best thing that has happened to American politics since Ronald Reagan (maybe even Abraham Lincoln).
Abortion is murder.

Let me know if you need more material for your hate thread.
 
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Greg1234

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This thread is also in the 'Creationism' section of 'Origins Theology'. Read it here if you're interested.

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I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.
Do you believe in geocentricism and spontaneous generation too? They were once majority votes like Darwinism.
 
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When a man ridicules another man for demonstrating that the sun is in outer space, you might want to check the flow of that ridicule.

Unfortunately, you are trying to demonstrate that the sun is giant grapefruit grown in a magic orchard by an invisible gardener.
 
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Greg1234 said:
This simply looks like a thread where Creationists should divulge information with a handle for ridicule without (once again) Darwinists having to provide data.
Tomatoman said:
Where I live creationism is seen as the result of (a) lack of education (b) brainwashing and (c) stupidity.

My point wasn't to giggle at Creationists and call them stupid, it's to see if they are more inclined to believe other 'unconventional' beliefs than evolutionists and atheists. Maybe they're not; that's why I added the "None of the Above" option.

On the plus side, this has generated more interest that the one up in Origins Theology.
 
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My point wasn't to giggle at Creationists and call them stupid, it's to see if they are more inclined to believe other 'unconventional' beliefs than evolutionists and atheists. Maybe they're not; that's why I added the "None of the Above" option.

On the plus side, this has generated more interest that the one up in Origins Theology.

I actually think that seeing if there is a connection between 'unconventional' beliefs and creationism is a very interesting idea. I'm not sure what the results of your poll will be as I think people's religious beliefs are usually conventional in the sense that they conform to the majority view where they grow up, so aren't actually an indication of wackiness or non-conformity, but you never know.

To find a correlation it would probably be better to poll individuals who have grown up in a strong faith community and adopted a different unpopular faith. People who take up an 'alternative' faith are more likely to go for alternative political views too. That's just my opinion though.
 
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I will agree that global warming is a real phenomenon, but I believe it is a natural cycle for the Earth, like a woman's period, and I'm not overly concerned about the human response to it.
I like that analogy in that it's refutation fits nicely as well.

There is a natural climate cycle. But that doesn't mean humans can pump as much CO2 into it without having an effect.

Just because a woman bleeds naturally doesn't mean it's OK to poke her with a pointy stick.
 
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This thread is just another attempt to hide the weaknesses of scientific theories by attacking 'unscientific' beliefs.
I think it's the people who believe in these 'unscientific' beliefs that are being attacked not the beliefs themselves,
how does one attack a belief? beliefs by themselves mean nothing, when a believer dies their belief dies with them.

For a belief to survive other people must be made to take on those beliefs otherwise just like the Inca religion which by the way sacrificed tens of thousands of people to it's ever loving God [that's how sure they were] will disappear.
 
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I think it's the people who believe in these 'unscientific' beliefs that are being attacked not the beliefs themselves,
how does one attack a belief? beliefs by themselves mean nothing, when a believer dies their belief dies with them.

For a belief to survive other people must be made to take on those beliefs otherwise just like the Inca religion which by the way sacrificed tens of thousands of people to it's ever loving God [that's how sure they were] will disappear.

The thread attacks 'creationISM', not 'creationISTs'. Of course the two are really inseparable ('Love me, love my dog'). :)
 
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The thread attacks 'creationISM', not 'creationISTs'. Of course the two are really inseparable ('Love me, love my dog'). :)
How does one attack words in a book? if you attack the believer you naturally attack what they believe but it doesn't work the other way around, after all who is at fault with any belief? the belief or the believer? without a believer there can be no belief.

Logic is obviously not one of your strong points.
 
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I think it's the people who believe in these 'unscientific' beliefs that are being attacked not the beliefs themselves,
how does one attack a belief? beliefs by themselves mean nothing, when a believer dies their belief dies with them.

For a belief to survive other people must be made to take on those beliefs otherwise just like the Inca religion which by the way sacrificed tens of thousands of people to it's ever loving God [that's how sure they were] will disappear.


Alternatively, for a belief to die, the believer doesn't necessarily have to die. They only have to think.
 
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I like that analogy in that it's refutation fits nicely as well.

There is a natural climate cycle. But that doesn't mean humans can pump as much CO2 into it without having an effect.

Just because a woman bleeds naturally doesn't mean it's OK to poke her with a pointy stick.

Really? My wife and I don't practice abstinence. ;)

That being said, I agree with you about the CO2 comment.
But, I'm apathetic. I don't care about the survival or beauty of the planet beyond the scope of my own enjoyment of it. Thus, I do conserve, but not to stop the phenomenon, just to slow it down enough to get what I want from it. That's all I was saying. I'm not an advocate of saving the world for the world's sake.

Oh, and I guess it was wrong of me to answer the poll, because I do believe in evolution, but I believe in a creator and coordinator of it, so I thought I qualified. Sorry.
 
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Unfortunately, you are trying to demonstrate that the sun is giant grapefruit grown in a magic orchard by an invisible gardener.

Of course it's "magic grapefruit" in a "magic orchard" (it's called outer space outside of earthism btw) since anything not conforming to methodological earthism is derided. Not only must your "theory" that the sun is in the atmosphere be refuted, but we must turn around and provide evidence that the sun is in outer space to a man who believes that all things will one day have a purely earthly cause. Futile endeavors aside, a refutation is all that's needed. When you have one however, feel free to drop it in the allotted slot. Or you can just cry outer space of the "scientific" gaps.
 
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Alternatively, for a belief to die, the believer doesn't necessarily have to die. They only have to think.

This, a thousand times.


Really? My wife and I don't practice abstinence. ;)

That being said, I agree with you about the CO2 comment.
But, I'm apathetic. I don't care about the survival or beauty of the planet beyond the scope of my own enjoyment of it. Thus, I do conserve, but not to stop the phenomenon, just to slow it down enough to get what I want from it. That's all I was saying. I'm not an advocate of saving the world for the world's sake.

Oh, and I guess it was wrong of me to answer the poll, because I do believe in evolution, but I believe in a creator and coordinator of it, so I thought I qualified. Sorry.

What about future generations? Do you have children? How utterly selfish.
 
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Really? My wife and I don't practice abstinence. ;)

That being said, I agree with you about the CO2 comment.
But, I'm apathetic. I don't care about the survival or beauty of the planet beyond the scope of my own enjoyment of it. Thus, I do conserve, but not to stop the phenomenon, just to slow it down enough to get what I want from it. That's all I was saying. I'm not an advocate of saving the world for the world's sake.

Oh, and I guess it was wrong of me to answer the poll, because I do believe in evolution, but I believe in a creator and coordinator of it, so I thought I qualified. Sorry.

That's ridiculously selfish.
 
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