What else do you believe? (Creationists only please)

[Notedstrangeperson]

This thread is also in the 'Creationism' section of 'Origins Theology'. Read it here if you're interested.

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I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming / Climate change is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.
- Islamic extremists were responsible for 9/11

I'd also like to point out that I'm not comparing Creationists to holocaust deniers, nor am I saying that denying climate change is the same as denying the holocaust. This is simply a list of the most popular conspiracies and unconventional beliefs that I know of.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

This thread is also in the 'Creationism' section of 'Origins Theology'. Read it here if you're interested.

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I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.

Note: If you click "None of the above" I'll assume you agree with all of the below:

- Global Warming / Climate change is a real phenomenon.
- Vaccinations are useful and help protect us against diseases.
- The world is a sphere.
- The Holocaust happened (the deliberate attempt by the Nazis to eradicate Jews and other 'inferior people' during WWII via concentration camps).
- Aliens do not exist / have not been discovered - they have no influence over the lives of humans.
- Islamic extremists were responsible for 9/11

I'd also like to point out that I'm not comparing Creationists to holocaust deniers, nor am I saying that denying climate change is the same as denying the holocaust. This is simply a list of the most popular conspiracies and unconventional beliefs that I know of.

Why such stupid questions?

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

I'll be interested in seeing the results. Somebody should down a scientific survey/poll like this and see if creationism is more linked to kooky beliefs than acceptance of evolution (which I would predict).

Funny how in the Origins theology thread there were a bunch of people like "hey, it's so unfair to assume we are all 9/11 truthers or flat earthers! but yeah global warming is a hoax and vaccinations are just there to give money to big pharma."

 

[chefjason]

I'd only like Creationists (including Young Earth, Old Earth, Intelligent Design, Gap theory supporters) to answer these questions.


I'd also like to point out that I'm not comparing Creationists to holocaust deniers, nor am I saying that denying climate change is the same as denying the holocaust. This is simply a list of the most popular conspiracies and unconventional beliefs that I know of.

I have a small issue here, I don't know if this was your intent, or it just came accross this way to me. But, you asked only Creationist (like myself) to participate and then in the same breath you state "this is simply a list of the most popular conspiracies and UNCONVENTIONAL BELIEFS that I know of". I'm I correct in reading into this that you feel Creationsim is an "unconventional belief"?

 

[cubinity]

I will agree that global warming is a real phenomenon, but I believe it is a natural cycle for the Earth, like a woman's period, and I'm not overly concerned about the human response to it. That being said, I selfishly want a beautiful place to live for the next fifty to seventy years, so I'm doing my part not to excessively waste and destroy. But, as I said, I'm being purely selfish in that pursuit.

Oh, and I do find that Creationism, considering all of the categories of it you recognize, is a very conventional belief.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

I'm I correct in reading into this that you feel Creationsim is an "unconventional belief"?

Mostly I was trying to be polite. It's hard to put climate change denial, Creationism and Holocaust denial all in the same category and 'unconventional' seemed the simpliest option.

 

[chefjason]

Mostly I was trying to be polite. It's hard to put climate change denial, Creationism and Holocaust denial all in the same category and 'unconventional' seemed the simpliest option.

Ok. But I still pose the question, do you think Creationism is an unconventional belief?

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

Ok. But I still pose the question, do you think Creationism is an unconventional belief?

Yes. I'll give you my reasons for choosing these particular options:

- They are generally a minority belief, although obviously there are many more people who deny climate change then there are people who think Obama is an alien.
- They are usually not advocated in professional circles. Few geologists claim the Earth is flat. Few doctors claim vaccinations are dangerous.
- They usually have an agenda behind them. Creationists have a religious cause and holocaust deniers tend to be white supremacists and Nazi sympathisers.

 

[cubinity]

Yes. I'll give you my reasons for choosing these particular options:

- They are generally a minority belief, although obviously there are many more people who deny climate change then there are people who think Obama is an alien.
- They are usually not advocated in professional circles. Few geologists claim the Earth is flat. Few doctors claim vaccinations are dangerous.
- They usually have an agenda behind them. Creationists have a religious cause and holocaust deniers tend to be white supremacists and Nazi sympathisers.

All well and good, except that I genuinely doubt that Creationism of one kind or another is a "minority belief." What set of people are you considering when you refer to a minority. I feel the need to ask because I am very aware that the majority of the recordable planet holds some kind of belief in a conscious originator of the Earth, whether it be the Christian deity or some other creator. Even then, those that specifically believe in the Christian god may not be the majority of the planet, but they are definitely not the minority, either.

 

[chefjason]

Yes. I'll give you my reasons for choosing these particular options:

- They are generally a minority belief, although obviously there are many more people who deny climate change then there are people who think Obama is an alien.
- They are usually not advocated in professional circles. Few geologists claim the Earth is flat. Few doctors claim vaccinations are dangerous.
- They usually have an agenda behind them. Creationists have a religious cause and holocaust deniers tend to be white supremacists and Nazi sympathisers.

It is true that in the very modern society Creationsim is becoming less and less prevalent. But concidering the evolution THEORY of mankind is only about 150 years old and did not take a strong hold until some 50-75 years ago, I would hesitate to call Creationism and unconventional belief.

 

[MoonLancer]

Welcome, my unconventional conventionalists!

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

What set of people are you considering when you refer to a minority. I feel the need to ask because I am very aware that the majority of the recordable planet holds some kind of belief in a conscious originator of the Earth, whether it be the Christian deity or some other creator.

True but I was refering to creationism - not Christianity. Christianity and theism in general are obviously not minority beliefs.

It is true that in the very modern society Creationsim is becoming less and less prevalent. But concidering the evolution THEORY of mankind is only about 150 years old and did not take a strong hold until some 50-75 years ago, I would hesitate to call Creationism and unconventional belief.

The status it has today is what I'm interested in. Vaccinations were introduced only at the very end of the 18th century, meaning that for the majority of human history very few people thought getting a disease would actually protect you from disease. Nevertheless today thinking that vaccinations are dangerous is a minor and unconventional belief.

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Sorry to dodge your comments guy but I don't want to derail the thread. It's about whether creationists believe in any of the ideas mentioned in the poll - it's not about whether Creationism is a valid theory. There are lots of threads asking that question already.

 

[chefjason]

Sorry to dodge your comments guy but I don't want to derail the thread. It's about whether creationists believe in any of the ideas mentioned in the poll - it's not about whether Creationism is a valid theory. There are lots of threads asking that question already.

That's quite alright. Didn't mean to highjack your thread. I voted. Carry on.

 

[cubinity]

True but I was refering to creationism - not Christianity. Christianity and theism in general are obviously not minority beliefs.

I guess I'm still a little confused about how you define a Creationist.
Is it strictly Christian Creationism you are referring to, or any form of creationism? I think it will make a big difference in our assessment of its "status" as you put it.

 

[Notedstrangeperson]

I guess I'm still a little confused about how you define a Creationist.
Is it strictly Christian Creationism you are referring to, or any form of creationism? I think it will make a big difference in our assessment of its "status" as you put it.

Creationists can be Young Earth, Old Earth, advocates of Intelligent Design or Gap theory. In other words anyone who doesn't believe in evolution - especially macroevolution. There are Creationists from other religions too but down here we tend to have just Christians and atheists.

 

[Lion Hearted Man]

It is true that in the very modern society Creationsim is becoming less and less prevalent. But concidering the evolution THEORY of mankind is only about 150 years old and did not take a strong hold until some 50-75 years ago, I would hesitate to call Creationism and unconventional belief.

You say 150 years like it's a bad thing, and "THEORY" like it's a bad thing

Evolutionary theory is older than the discovery of the structure of DNA, and pre-dates the fields of molecular biology and biochemistry.

 

[Isambard]

I would've added "Obama is secretly a Muslim", "Fox News is a reliable unbiased news source" and, "Christians are persecuted in America" on that list.

 

[Tomatoman]

I'm I correct in reading into this that you feel Creationsim is an "unconventional belief"?

Speaking for myself, absolutely 100% YES.

It is hard to explain to someone who lives in the bible belt in America how extremely flat out nuts creationism is to someone like me who grew up on the other side of the Atlantic. It really is like someone saying they believe in the jolly green giant at the end of their garden. Where I live people who believe the world is less than 10,000 years old don't really exist, apart from jehovah's witnesses, and they are few and far between and regarded as bonkers.

Where I live creationism is seen as the result of (a) lack of education (b) brainwashing and (c) stupidity.

 

[Greg1234]

Why such stupid questions?

This simply looks like a thread where Creationists should divulge information with a handle for ridicule without (once again) Darwinists having to provide data. Notice (creationists only) with Darwinists vulching, talons void of data, beaks overflowing with vitriol.

 

[SignOfGod]

Where I live creationism is seen as the result of (a) lack of education (b) brainwashing and (c) stupidity.

Succinct, true and to the point, I concur.

The lack of education added to brainwashing and stupidity means that the creationists are the last people in the world to realise that it's happening to them, they just can't or won't see it.

How children are indoctrinated today is how it what was done to them years ago, you don't need to be blind not to see,
some just choose not to see.