Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[BondiHarry]

Sure you can, you've never killed anyone for example.

What did Jesus say about murder or adultery for that matter? There are quite a few adulterous men who have never actually slept with another man's wife but they didn't have to because they have lusted after other men's wives in their heart. The same goes for murder, there are quite a few people who have had hatred in their hearts for others without cause which makes them murderers in God's eyes.

 

[Elder 111]

what happens if a man falters at one of the 10?

That is what grace is for. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

 

[Yab Yum]

What did Jesus say about murder or adultery for that matter? There are quite a few adulterous men who have never actually slept with another man's wife but they didn't have to because they have lusted after other men's wives in their heart. The same goes for murder, there are quite a few people who have had hatred in their hearts for others without cause which makes them murderers in God's eyes.

But with God's help we can do it we can be better.

 

[Elder 111]

I see you skipped this one.


Quite a few folks have now called you on this inconsistency in your interpretation of Scripture.

Why did James, Jesus and Paul refer to parts of the whole law AND the ten commandments, not just the ten commandments?

Mat 5:18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mat 5:19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


He then goes on to discuss the commands against murder, adultery vows, eye for eye, etc. both from the ten and the rest of the law.


And His greatest commandment and the one like it are from other parts of the law.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

In the passage James reiterates love your neighbor as yourself from Deuteronomy and Jesus' endorsement, and also references breaking the law through partiality, which is forbidden in Deut. Then he also references some of the ten.


Paul also addressed remarriage being possible after death in Rom. 7, then went on to discuss coveting, again the ten commandments with another portion of the law.

Your system just doesn't work if you ignore the texts.

I do not ignore the text but your interpretation of the text.
For instance James mentions 2 tenants of the ten commandments and you refer it to the "whole law" and not the 10. Does not compute.

 

[Elder 111]

The ten commandments on stone were the heart of the Israelite covenant. It included a sign with Israel, the sabbath.

The moral principles in the commandments are enduring.


And even the sign of the sabbath was God given and "good" for the people it was given to and the reason it was given for.

It is not condemning the 10 commandments to understand their purpose and role.

Just as you don't condemn the Day of Atonement because you don't keep it.

The sabbath command clearly states that it is because God is the creator, what does that have to do with Israel?

 

[Elder 111]

I don't understand what you're asking or stating by question that I'm condemning the 10 Cs. This is starting to be goading. What do you mean by It is or it is not?

It is either completely removed from all christain requirements or it is not.
It is OK to kill or it is not. It is OK to commit adultery or it is not. It is OK to have other gods or it is not.
You can not have that "I am not saying you can do those things" and the 10 commandments are abolished. It is that simple.

 

[from scratch]

That is what grace is for. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Isn't that cheap law?

 

[from scratch]

The sabbath command clearly states that it is because God is the creator, what does that have to do with Israel?

What about Deut 5:15 where the reason the COI are required to keep the sabbath. That does have someting to do with Israel.

 

[from scratch]

It is either completely removed from all christain requirements or it is not.
It is OK to kill or it is not. It is OK to commit adultery or it is not. It is OK to have other gods or it is not.
You can not have that "I am not saying you can do those things" and the 10 commandments are abolished. It is that simple.

Jer 31:31-34 should be suffient to handle this. Galatians 5 is great in handling this as well. The demand that one is observing the law because they don't murder, commit adultery or steal is absurd Romans 2. Incidence isn't obedience or proof of anything.

 

[sheina]

What about Deut 5:15 where the reason the COI are required to keep the sabbath. That does have someting to do with Israel.

Amen!

Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

God gave the Sabbath to the COI. Were the Gentiles (nations) servants in the land of Egypt and did God deliver the Gentiles (nations) from bondage? God commanded ISRAEL to "keep the sabbath day" because He, as their DELIVERER, brought ISRAEL out of the land of Egypt. The COI already recognized God as Creator, but God commanded them to "keep the sabbath day" to remember Him as their DELIVERER.

 

[MamaZ]

That is what grace is for. Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
1 John 2:1
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

So then one can keep on faltering at the law and grace will abound?

 

[Elder 111]

Isn't that cheap law?

What is that?

 

[Elder 111]

What about Deut 5:15 where the reason the COI are required to keep the sabbath. That does have someting to do with Israel.

That does not negate the original reason.
If you parent told you to look before crossing the road one day and the 4 days later tell you run when crossing the road, does that mean that you are not to look before crossing?

 

[Elder 111]

Jer 31:31-34 should be suffient to handle this. Galatians 5 is great in handling this as well. The demand that one is observing the law because they don't murder, commit adultery or steal is absurd Romans 2. Incidence isn't obedience or proof of anything.

Christians must be convince of that otherwise they will need to keep the Sabbath. I am sure the Jews likewise were convince, so much so that they killed the same Messiah that they were looking for.

 

[Elder 111]

Amen!

Deuteronomy 5:15 And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day.

God gave the Sabbath to the COI. Were the Gentiles (nations) servants in the land of Egypt and did God deliver the Gentiles (nations) from bondage? God commanded ISRAEL to "keep the sabbath day" because He, as their DELIVERER, brought ISRAEL out of the land of Egypt. The COI already recognized God as Creator, but God commanded them to "keep the sabbath day" to remember Him as their DELIVERER.

Why do you ignore the following: It has nothing to do with Israel. They were to obey God as we are to also.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Do we dishonor God by keeping the commandments? Is it a sin? What is the problem with it?

 

[sheina]

Isn't that cheap law?

I agree....it is also cheap grace.

 

[Elder 111]

So then one can keep on faltering at the law and grace will abound?

Is that not what we are doing every day. Or are we without sin? Is that not why Jesus died?
It is not that we do it purposely but we have a net if we fall.
1 John 1:9-10



9If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[Elder 111]

I agree....it is also cheap grace.

Do you realized that it is Paul that made the statement?
Are you then saying that Paul advertised cheap law?

 

[HolyGuardianAngels]

It is made clear that we as Christians are under grace and are save by grace by faith.
Does that mean that we do not keep the 10 commandments?
A Jehovah's witness made it a point of telling me that the commandments are abolished. My next question was, can I have sex with you?
Answer, No!
Why Not?
We have to keep the spirit of the law.
What! The law died and the spirit lives?
Is that what we believe?
Does that make sense?
If we acknowledge that we can not lie or steal or commit adultery, do we not acknowledge that the law is still for us?

Yes we are called to keep the 10 commandments, and why not, they help to guard our lives.

 

[Isolation]

Yes we are called to keep the 10 commandments, and why not, they help to guard our lives.

Wouldn't that be a misconception?
The atonement is what saves our lives
The commandments is what the Lord saved us from
Because we by law deserved to perish