Do you agree that christians should keep the 10 Commandments?

[tall73]

So why God included it with thou shall not kill? Why we know these things and not God?

Why did God include moral commandments with the rest of the law?

The ten commandments are the covenant words. They are the heart of the covenant with Israel. They are some of the key commands which represent the whole relationship with Israel.


Exo 34:27 And the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.


The sabbath is particularly spelled out as a key criterion of obedience for Israel, and is a sign with them.

Exo 31:13 "You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, 'Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.


Who said God didn't know? He is the One who called it a sign with Israel.

 

[Elder 111]

I've always thought it to be an odd question as though Christians are looking for a way to do the things that God told His chosen people to not do.

None of the 10 Commandments are cultural. And everything that God expects us to do from the OT is reinforced in the NT.

36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

Don't know if it has been said yet and I ain't reading through this hideously LOOOOOOOOOOONG thread but a reading of Scripture reveals that the first four commandments given to the children of Israel are contained in the statement: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind." It continues that the last six commandments are enclosed in the statement: "Love your neighbor as yourself."

As I read your post, it registered that at no point was the statement made that these were new commands. The question and the reply was to the greatest, the first, not the new or the only. Not the replacement, so that we err when we report that Jesus gave new commandments. It was never stated nor intended.

 

[Elder 111]

Why did God include moral commandments with the rest of the law?

The ten commandments are the covenant words. They are the heart of the covenant with Israel. They are some of the key commands which represent the whole relationship with Israel.


Exo 34:27 And the LORD said to Moses, "Write these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel."
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.


The sabbath is particularly spelled out as a key criterion of obedience for Israel, and is a sign with them.

Exo 31:13 "You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, 'Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the LORD, sanctify you.


Who said God didn't know? He is the One who called it a sign with Israel.

Are not all one in Christ? Is not salvation the same for all people? Is not salvation of the Jew?

 

[from scratch]

As I read your post, it registered that at no point was the statement made that these were new commands. The question and the reply was to the greatest, the first, not the new or the only. Not the replacement, so that we err when we report that Jesus gave new commandments. It was never stated nor intended.

And so is the point that Jesus is teaching us to keep the whole law? His comments aren't from the 10 Cs. The law of Moses (everything outside the 10 Cs) is nailed to the cross. It is my understanding that to make a direct application would be to accuse. I will therefore abstain.

 

[from scratch]

Are not all one in Christ? Is not salvation the same for all people? Is not salvation of the Jew?

Indeed the above is true. But how does that require any to observe their old covenant. The only way to secure eternal life is through Jesus Chirst as the new covenant provides. There are neither Jews nor Gentiles in Christ Jesus which invalidates the whole idea of folks becomeing spiritual Israel or Jews - Gal 3:28.

 

[MamaZ]

Why only keep the 10? For all that God has commanded are they not all to be kept if you can? Why just single out the 10?

 

[RisingSpirit]

Why only keep the 10? For all that God has commanded are they not all to be kept if you can? Why just single out the 10?

Why not observe the Holy Spirit's guidance and watch it flow?

 

[Hentenza]

I can't keep a single one of the 10 commandments. I can't. My sinful nature prevents it.








And neither can anyone else.

 

[Elder 111]

And so is the point that Jesus is teaching us to keep the whole law? His comments aren't from the 10 Cs. The law of Moses (everything outside the 10 Cs) is nailed to the cross. It is my understanding that to make a direct application would be to accuse. I will therefore abstain.

The point is that persons are always referring to this as a replacement to the ten, even in this tread. It is clear that Jesus never said such and the question did not address such.

 

[from scratch]

The point is that persons are always referring to this as a replacement to the ten, even in this tread. It is clear that Jesus never said such and the question did not address such.

And the 10 Cs have been replaced by the NC. Jer 31:31-34, Mat 26:28, MK 14:24, LK 22:20, Romans 10:4, Heb 7:12 and Paul said to throw 'em out. Paul didn't say now go sin - Galatians 5.

 

[Elder 111]

Indeed the above is true. But how does that require any to observe their old covenant. The only way to secure eternal life is through Jesus Chirst as the new covenant provides. There are neither Jews nor Gentiles in Christ Jesus which invalidates the whole idea of folks becomeing spiritual Israel or Jews - Gal 3:28.

We are discussing the ten commandments. Jesus was and is the only means of salvation new or old covenant. Lot, Moses and Abraham will be heaven because of Jesus.
If salvation has always been the same, and the law was given then and expected to be kept, how could not be now?
If we can acknowledge that it is unholy to lie and steal, how can we say that commandment is no more?
There is a conflict that can not be resolved with this idea being supported by those who say that the 10 is abolished. No we should not but we don't keep law. It is simply without logic.

 

[Elder 111]

Why only keep the 10? For all that God has commanded are they not all to be kept if you can? Why just single out the 10?

A simply honest consideration would clearly show that the Ten is not like the others.
God did not treat them like the others.
Why would God tell Moses, you broke them, make new stones but I will write them.
Moses broke them God had a right to make him write them, but not so. Was they too important to God? Was God making show that no one could honestly say that Moses wrote them or that they were of him? It certainly paints a picture of uniqueness, importance.
Notice they are the only laws God wrote, He dictated the others.

 

[Elder 111]

I can't keep a single one of the 10 commandments. I can't. My sinful nature prevents it.








And neither can anyone else.

Of course it does but take comfort from Paul who had the same problem. He did not condemn the law but praise it and allowed the Holy Spirit to live in him for the victory. Rom. 7
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

 

[Hentenza]

Of course it does but take comfort from Paul who had the same problem. He did not condemn the law but praise it and allowed the Holy Spirit to live in him for the victory. Rom. 7
10And the commandment, which was ordained to life, I found to be unto death.
11For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew me.
12Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
13Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
14For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
19For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
20Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
22For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Paul also said:

23But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, (AN)being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed. 24Therefore the Law has become our (AO)tutor to lead us to Christ, so that (AP)we may be justified by faith.
25But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a (AQ)tutor.



Paul does not contradict himself.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

As I understand it, a Christian's behavior should be led by the Spirit of God and determined by love. Love God, and love others. If you love God, you will not take His name in vain. If you love your spouse, you will be faithful. If you love others, you will not kill, steal, or mistreat. If your mind is focused on Christ, you won't covet. It follows then that Christians are not tied to a set of rules, but will follow them automatically if they are properly tuned in with Christ.

For a Christian, then, led by the Spirit, a written law is no longer necessary. This, IMO, is preferable because the alternative is debates about the letter of the law, and the constant search for loopholes that let you do what you want to do anyway.

 

[tall73]

Are not all one in Christ? Is not salvation the same for all people? Is not salvation of the Jew?

The gentiles were never required to be circumcised and keep the law of Moses according to the council.

So your argument does not address what I stated earlier.

 

[tall73]

The point is that persons are always referring to this as a replacement to the ten, even in this tread. It is clear that Jesus never said such and the question did not address such.

Jesus did not refer to just the ten. It has already been demonstrated that Matthew 5 referenced the whole law, as did James, as did Paul.

 

[tall73]

A simply honest consideration would clearly show that the Ten is not like the others.
God did not treat them like the others.
Why would God tell Moses, you broke them, make new stones but I will write them.
Moses broke them God had a right to make him write them, but not so. Was they too important to God? Was God making show that no one could honestly say that Moses wrote them or that they were of him? It certainly paints a picture of uniqueness, importance.
Notice they are the only laws God wrote, He dictated the others.

An honest consideration would show that Jesus referenced more than the ten in saying the law would not pass away till all be fulfilled.

An honest consideration would show that Paul and James referenced the whole law, not just the ten.

The ten were the covenant words, and the heart of the covenant. But the covenant included more than just the ten.

And you have already acknowledged moral commands which continue beyond the ten in the law.

 

[Isolation]

The law christ was talking about fulfilling was the sacrificial law heb 10:1-4

so no i refuse to keep the law (I refuse to be justified by anything apart from his atonement of water and blood, his baptism/crucifixion/ressurection), the law was fulfilled through christ. in that essence i am in freedom, but i shouldnt use this freedom to sin but to do the will of the spirit. Now you know that repentance is a change of mind basically, so if you change your mind back to being a evil sinner (even though we may be weak he will keep us, its if you start justifying your sins and dont even try anymore, thus negating your repentance when you came into the faith). So in essence people who try to be justified by anything other than the Lords atonement will be condemned. But on the other hand you could also be condemned if you turn back on your repentance. Was it not John the Baptist who said "Produce fruits worthy of repentance" ?

So to say that the Lord didn't blot out the law is correct, but it's incorrect to say that he didn't fulfill the righteous requirement of the law.

Anyways if someone is truly a Child of God and they start turning back from their faith or repentance, the Lord will chastise them. It is a promise

 

[MamaZ]

A simply honest consideration would clearly show that the Ten is not like the others.
God did not treat them like the others.
Why would God tell Moses, you broke them, make new stones but I will write them.
Moses broke them God had a right to make him write them, but not so. Was they too important to God? Was God making show that no one could honestly say that Moses wrote them or that they were of him? It certainly paints a picture of uniqueness, importance.
Notice they are the only laws God wrote, He dictated the others.

Not like the others? So one can pick and choose which commandments of God to keep? We read in scripture who the 10 were for. Isreal. Are you or have you ever been Jewish? The law and old covenant incuding the 10.