Why I Don't Believe In Atheism's Creation Myth

[MoonLancer]

Actually they don't believe they know that they are forgiven. They do good things and hope that is enough. So their path doesn't necessarily lead to salvation.

This is wrong. They think as you do.

 

[MoonLancer]

Right on the money. The difference is they think its "what they can do" to get salvation. Christians believe there is nothing "We" can do to earn salvation (other than accepting the gift) which is why we need Christ.

kindof like a get out of jail free card to do whatever you want?

 

[Mobiosity]

This is wrong. They think as you do.

If they did, they'd be Christians.

 

[Mobiosity]

kindof like a get out of jail free card to do whatever you want?

Some think of it that way, yes.

 

[MoonLancer]

If they did, they'd be Christians.

not exactly. Its not as simple as that. But both have alot of nothing in common.

 

[Mobiosity]

I'm sure the one who dies for faith says the same thing. Only they believe they are dieing for something that is true and everyone else is dying for faith.

Quite a paradox. Which was is true? we will never know.

No. Just read what I wrote: Those who died who knew Jesus personally and saw Him before and after the resurrection, died for a fact that they knew. Do you understand the difference?

 

[Mobiosity]

not exactly. Its not as simple as that. But both have alot of nothing in common.

Well of course it is sweetie. If you believe that Christ is your savior, you're a Christian. If you don't believe that Christ is your savior, you aren't a Christian.

 

[Cabal]

No. Just read what I wrote: Those who died who knew Jesus personally and saw Him before and after the resurrection, died for a fact that they knew. Do you understand the difference?

You're resorting to circular reasoning here.

You posted this as support for the validity of the resurrection account, and yet you're asserting that it's true because the resurrection account was a fact.

 

[MoonLancer]

Some think of it that way, yes.

that's a dangerous thought. So much for responsibility for ones actions huh?

 

[Mobiosity]

that's a dangerous thought. So much for responsibility for ones actions huh?

Lots of people don't take responsiblity for their actions.

 

[Mobiosity]

You're resorting to circular reasoning here.

You posted this as support for the validity of the resurrection account, and yet you're asserting that it's true because the resurrection account was a fact.

No, try reading it again.

Those who knew Jesus before and after the resurrection died for a fact that they knew to be true and accurate.

 

[Cabal]

No, try reading it again.

k

*reads*

Those who knew Jesus before and after the resurrection died for a fact that they knew to be true and accurate.

Nope, still doesn't chime with this.

The only proof I have is that there were many who witnessed Jesus' death and resurrection and died very painful deaths for saying that it happened. Why would they be willing to suffer so much for a lie?

You claimed it was factual on the basis that they died for it.

Now you're claiming that they died for something because it was factual.

Doesn't work, unfortunately.

 

[AV1611VET]

Well tell me, my boy. Can you name one leading creationist, like Kent Hovind, Henry Morris, Ken Ham, who has not been caught lying?

Jesus Christ

 

[Honkytnkmn]

k

*reads*



Nope, still doesn't chime with this.



You claimed it was factual on the basis that they died for it.

Now you're claiming that they died for something because it was factual.

Doesn't work, unfortunately.

I can't tell if you really don't understand what She's saying or just being Obtuse, but let me see if I can explain what She means.

The Disciples saw Christ get crucified on the cross. They were horrified and scared. They went into hiding and even denied knowing or following Jesus.

3 Days later, Jesus was resurrected, He went to his disciples and renewed their faith and strength, because he was resurrected, they knew he was who he said he was and were not afraid to die for what they knew was the truth.

If Jesus didn't defeat death, his followers would not have continued because he would not have been who he said he was, which is our Savior.

 

[Doveaman]

Christianity is evidence of this sixth sense since there would be no Christianity without it: "For we walk by faith, not by sight." - 2 Cor 5:7.

Er...that's not evidence, that's an assertion. A silly one, to boot.

Do scientists have evidence for dark-matter or dark-energy? What is it?

I'll make it easier: What is the evidence for the Big-Bang?

CMBR is evidence of this Big-Bang since there would be no CMBR without it: "For we walk by faith, not by sight." - 2 Cor 5:7.

 

[Skaloop]

I can't tell if you really don't understand what She's saying or just being Obtuse, but let me see if I can explain what She means.

The Disciples saw Christ get crucified on the cross. They were horrified and scared. They went into hiding and even denied knowing or following Jesus.

3 Days later, Jesus was resurrected, He went to his disciples and renewed their faith and strength, because he was resurrected, they knew he was who he said he was and were not afraid to die for what they knew was the truth.

If Jesus didn't defeat death, his followers would not have continued because he would not have been who he said he was, which is our Savior.

That's assuming that each of the red, pink, blue, green, turqouise, and purple statements are factual. You don't know that they are, especially the green one.

For all you (or I) know, his followers made it all up. Heck, you're not even sure if those that died defending the holiness of Jesus actually didn't deny it; that too could have been embellished.

 

[Cabal]

I can't tell if you really don't understand what She's saying or just being Obtuse, but let me see if I can explain what She means.

(What's with the capital S? I feel like I'm in a Henry Rider Haggard novel.)

The Disciples saw Christ get crucified on the cross. They were horrified and scared. They went into hiding and even denied knowing or following Jesus.

3 Days later, Jesus was resurrected, He went to his disciples and renewed their faith and strength, because he was resurrected, they knew he was who he said he was and were not afraid to die for what they knew was the truth.

If Jesus didn't defeat death, his followers would not have continued because he would not have been who he said he was, which is our Savior.

I think the issue is with M's phrasing: "a fact they knew to be true".

It's trying to make it sound subjective when those two words at the start of the quote make it anything but that.

Anyway, even if there is no circularity here, martyrdom is hardly exclusive proof of anything as martyrdom is not unique to Christianity.

 

[Split Rock]

There is an absolute truth and there are lies.

Do you know the difference? Or do you just assume you know the difference?

You are not totally without God, you may deny God but you still benefit from the qualities of God on Earth. Love, Compassion, Truth, Justice.

I don't buy the idea that without God there would be no love, compassion, truth or justice. Love and compassion are human qualities that only people with Antisocial Personality Disorder lack. Truth is the opposite of falsehood. Justice is determined by our courts.

I don't know.

OK.

 

[Honkytnkmn]

I don't buy the idea that without God there would be no love, compassion, truth or justice. Love and compassion are human qualities that only people with Antisocial Personality Disorder lack. Truth is the opposite of falsehood. Justice is determined by our courts.

Ahhh but where do us humans get these qualities?

 

[Split Rock]

Ahhh but where do us humans get these qualities?

Get ready for the answer........ Evolution! We are a social species and these behavorial characteristics evolved to help us survive and reproduce in a social setting.