Trinity is wrong.

[Tu Es Petrus]

HOGWASH...

Not one of these verses declare God is three persons.

 

[Der Alte]

According to Rabbinic Jewish thought, the "Name" (singular) of God could never be "The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit". That would be blasphemy, as it clearly puts all three names/titles into a singular entity.

Name also means power/authority.

 

[Der Alte]

HOGWASH...

Not one of these verses declare God is three persons.

Your reply is HOGWASH, anybody can say, "Is not! Nuh Uh! The Bible repeatedly says there is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all called/referred to as God. Scriptures state that each one has a distinct self, will, and mind. I'll wait for you to address the scripture I posted.

 

[Benoni]

Your reply is HOGWASH, anybody can say, "Is not! Nuh Uh! The Bible repeatedly says there is one God, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all called/referred to as God. Scriptures state that each one has a distinct self, will, and mind. I'll wait for you to address the scripture I posted.

HODWASH again....There is only one verse in all of the Bible that says Father, son and Holy Spirit how can one verse be repeatedly. If you want to post each verse that you think defends this false doctrine please do. But I am not going to waste my precious time to debate the obvious and what has all ready been covered. God does not have a mind; God is a spirit. Jesus had a mind when he was God manifested in the flesh; but only for 33 years; now He is the Father. (Isa.9;6)

Isaiah. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

If you look at the above verse it seems a bit confusing for a Trinitarian for it is obviously speaking of the Son in blue; but then it goes in context directly to the Father in red; God is one.

 

[Benoni]

If anyone has there head in the sand just look at the conduct of yor priest.

 

[wayseer]

There is no mention of the Trinity in the Bible. That does not mean there is no Trinity.

You are arguing 'facts' - the Trinity points towards 'friendship' with God. In this respect the Trinity represents our 'best guess' in forming and maintaining that friendship.

 

[Benoni]

There is no mention of the Trinity in the Bible. That does not mean there is no Trinity.

You are arguing 'facts' - the Trinity points towards 'friendship' with God. In this respect the Trinity represents our 'best guess' in forming and maintaining that friendship.

Trinity is a false doctrine that comes from Rome. It cannot be backed in God's Word for for a couple reasons which have already been discussed. The main reason is no where in God's Word does it say God is three person.

 

[wayseer]

Trinity is a false doctrine that comes from Rome. It cannot be backed in God's Word for for a couple reasons which have already been discussed. The main reason is no where in God's Word does it say God is three person.

The point is your are talking about facts - human logic and rational explanations - and missing the meaning.

You will note I have already said the Bible does not mention the Trinity as such. Its geneses comes out of 2 Cor 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Paul is talking about a relationship with God - an aspect which Tim Radcliffe calls 'friendship'.

And it had nothing to do with Rome but was adopted by the Council of Nicaea, which met in present day Turkey, in 325.

 

[Der Alte]

HODWASH again....There is only one verse in all of the Bible that says Father, son and Holy Spirit how can one verse be repeatedly. If you want to post each verse that you think defends this false doctrine please do. But I am not going to waste my precious time to debate the obvious and what has all ready been covered.

Nothing has been "covered." Some folks may have posted arguments,assertions, suppositions, assumptions, conjecture, etc.

Eleven passages, from the list of 86, below, which reveal the Triunity of God. Each passage shows Father, Son, and Holy Spirit having a different relationship, effect, role, etc., with respect to believers.

For example, #2, believers are dependent on Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for salvation. We are saved by, the kindness and love of God our Saviour[1], by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost[2], shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior[3], all three.

(1.) 2 Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

(2.) Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

(3.) Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

(4.) 1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, [Repeated three times, cf. 2 Th 2.13, Ro 15:16] unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: [Repeated twice, cf. Heb 9.14] Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

(5.) Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God,.

(6.) Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call,.

(7.) Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ, to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost,.

(8.) Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse,, and he, that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him, shall the Gentiles trust.
13 Now the God of hope, fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost,.

(9.) Heb 9.14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit, offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!,

(10.) 2 Thess 2.13 But we ought always to thank God, for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God, chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, and through belief in the truth.
14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ,.

(11.) I Cor 12.3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.,
5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.,
6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God, works all of them in all men.

The Gospels and Acts

Mat 1:18-22, Mat 3:9-11, Mat 3:16-17, Mat 4:1-4, Mat 10:19-23, Mat 12:28, Mat 28:19, Mark 12:35-37, Lk 1:15-17, Lk 1:30-35 *, Lk 1:67-69, Lk 2:25-32, Lk 4:12-13, Lk 10:21, Lk 12:8-10, Jn 1:32-34, Jn 3:31-35, Jn 14:15-17, Jn 14:25, Jn 15:26, Jn 16:7-10, Jn 16:13-15, Jn 20:16-22, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 1:7-8, Acts 2:32-33, Acts 2:38-39*, Acts 4:8-10, Acts 4:24-26, Act 4:29-31, Acts 5:30-32, Acts 7:51-56, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 9:15-20 Acts 10:38, Acts 11:15-17, Acts 11:23-24, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 16:6-10, Acts 20:22-24, Acts 28:23-25.

The Pauline writings

Rom 1:1-4, Rom 5:1-5, Rom 8:9-11, Rom 8:13-16, Rom 8:26-29, Rom 15:12-13*, Rom 15:16*, , Rom 14:15-17, Rom 15:16, Rom 15:18-19, Rom 15:30, I Cor 2:8-10, I Cor 2:14-16, I Cor 6:9-11, I Cor 6:14-19, I Cor 12:3-5*, 2 Cor 1:20-22, 2 Cor 3:3-4, 2 Cor 13:14*, Gal 3:1-5, Gal 4:4-6, Gal 5:21-25, Eph 2:17-18, Eph 3:14-17, Eph 4:4-6, Eph 4:30-32, Eph 5:18-20, Phil 3:3, I Thess 1:4-6, 2 Thess 2:13-14*, I Tim 3:15-16, Titus 3:4-6.*

The General Epistles

Heb 2:3-4; Heb 6:3-6; Heb 9:14*; Heb 10:29-31; I Pet 1:2; * I Pet 3:18; I Pet 4:14; I Jn 3:21-24; I Jn 4:13-14; I Jn 5:6-9; Jud 1:20-21*.

Revelation

Rev 14:12-13, Rev 22:17-18,​

God does not have a mind; God is a spirit. Jesus had a mind when he was God manifested in the flesh; but only for 33 years; now He is the Father. (Isa.9;6)

Isaiah. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

A better translation here is "father of eternity," NOT "eternal father" This translates "abi ad". Every other Theophoric name in the O.T. which begins with "Abi" is translated "Father of . . ." For example "Abimelech." means "Father of a king." So the son does NOT become the "Eternal Father." He is the father of, the one who possesses eternity.

If you look at the above verse it seems a bit confusing for a Trinitarian for it is obviously speaking of the Son in blue; but then it goes in context directly to the Father in red; God is one.

The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have distinct minds, selves, and wills."

Gen 50:20 As for YOU, YOU had evil in mind against me. God had it in mind for good for the purpose of acting as at this day to preserve many people alive.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [/B]​

 

[redcliffesalvo]

A theophany is an appearance of God. God appears in the Old Testament in different ways: as an angel of the Lord (Acts 7:30-32; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1), apparently in physical form (Gen. 3:8; Exodus 24:9-11), in visions and dreams (Num. 12:6-8), and in flame (Judges 13:20-21). However, there are verses that say that you can't see God: Exodus 33:20; John 1:18). If this is so, then is there a contradiction in the Bible? No, there isn't.

Study the following verses, read them in context in the Bible, and see if you can figure out what is going on. If you can't, continue reading and you'll be pleasantly surprised.
These verses are taken from the New American Standard Bible. Please note that "LORD" is equivalent to YHWH, Yahweh, and Jehovah which is the name of God.​

Plurality of God:

• Gen. 1:26, "Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness..."
• Gen. 19:24, "Then the LORD rained on Sodom and Gomorrah brimstone and fire from the LORD out of heaven."
• Amos 4:10-11, "‘I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt; I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses, and I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils; yet you have not returned to Me,' declares the LORD. ‘I overthrew you as God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah...'"
• Isaiah 44:6, "Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides me...‘" See also, Isaiah 48:16.

Appearances of God

• Gen. 17:1, "Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty; walk before Me, and be blameless."
• Gen. 18:1, "Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day."
• Ex. 6:2-3, "God spoke further to Moses and said to him, ‘I am the LORD; and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name LORD I did not make myself known to them.'"
• Exodus 24:9-11, "Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they beheld God, and they ate and drank."
• Exodus 33:11, "Thus the LORD used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend..."
• Num. 12:6-8, "He [God] said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; with him I speak mouth to mouth, even openly, and not in dark sayings, and he beholds the form of the LORD..."
• Acts 7:2, "And he [Stephen] said, "Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran...."

Can't see God:

• Exodus 33:20, "But He [God] said, ‘You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!'"
• John 1:18, "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father; He has explained Him."
• 1 Tim. 6:16, "[God] who alone possesses immortality and dwells in unapproachable light; whom no man has seen or can see."
• John 6:46, "Not that any man has seen the Father except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father."
• John 8:58, "Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am."
• Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, ‘I AM WHO I AM'; and He said, ‘Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.'"
• Zech. 12:10, "And I [God] will pour out on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the Spirit of grace and of supplication, so that they will look on Me whom they have pierced; and they will mourn for Him, as one mourns for an only son..."

It is evident above that God was seen. But, considering the "Can't-see-God" verses, some would understandably argue that people have not seen God; otherwise, there would be a contradiction in the Bible. A possible explanation for this is that people were seeing visions, or dreams, or the Angel of the LORD (Num. 22:22-26; Judges 13:1-21). But the problem is that the verses cited above do not say vision, dream, or Angel of the LORD. They say that people saw God (Exodus 24:9-11), that God was seen, and that He appeared as God Almighty (Ex. 6:2-3).
At first, this is difficult to understand. God Almighty was seen (Ex. 6:2-3) which means it was not the Angel of the Lord, for an angel is not God Almighty, and at least Moses saw God, not in a vision or dream, as the LORD Himself attests in Num. 12:6-8. If these verses mean what they say, then we naturally assume we have a contradiction. Actually, the contradiction exists in our understanding, not in the Bible--which is always the case with alleged biblical contradictions.
The solution is simple. All you need to do is accept what the Bible says. If the people of the OT were seeing God, the Almighty God, and Jesus said that no one has ever seen the Father (John 6:46), then they were seeing God Almighty, but not the Father. It was someone else in the Godhead. I suggest that they were seeing the Word before He became incarnate. In other words, they were seeing Jesus; compare John 8:58 with Exodus 3:14 above.
If God is a Trinity, then John 1:18 is not a problem either because in John chapter one, John writes about the Word (Jesus) and God (the Father). In verse 14 it says the Word became flesh. In verse 18 it says no one has seen God. Since Jesus is the Word, God then, refers to the Father, and the apparent contradiction is easily resolved, especially when this is examined in the light of Jesus' words in John 6:46 where He said that no one has ever seen the Father. Therefore, Almighty God was seen, but not the Father. It was Jesus before His incarnation. There is more than one person in the Godhead and the doctrine of the Trinity must be true.

 

[Benoni]

Nothing has been "covered." Some folks may have posted arguments,assertions, suppositions, assumptions, conjecture, etc.

Eleven passages, from the list of 86, below, which reveal the Triunity of God. Each passage shows Father, Son, and Holy Spirit having a different relationship, effect, role, etc., with respect to believers.

For example, #2, believers are dependent on Father, Son, and Holy Spirit for salvation. We are saved by, the kindness and love of God our Saviour[1], by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost[2], shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior[3], all three.

(1.) 2 Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.
​

(2.) Tit 3:4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

(3.) Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.

(4.) 1 Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, [Repeated three times, cf. 2 Th 2.13, Ro 15:16] unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: [Repeated twice, cf. Heb 9.14] Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

(5.) Luk 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing, which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God,.

(6.) Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost,.
39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call,.

(7.) Rom 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ, to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost,.

(8.) Rom 15:12 And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse,, and he, that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him, shall the Gentiles trust.
13 Now the God of hope, fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost,.

(9.) Heb 9.14 How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit, offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!,

(10.) 2 Thess 2.13 But we ought always to thank God, for you, brothers loved by the Lord, because from the beginning God, chose you to be saved through the sanctifying work of the Spirit, and through belief in the truth.
14 He called you to this through our gospel, that you might share in the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ,.

(11.) I Cor 12.3 Therefore I tell you that no one who is speaking by the Spirit of God says, "Jesus be cursed," and no one can say, "Jesus is Lord," except by the Holy Spirit.
4 There are different kinds of gifts, but the same Spirit.,
5 There are different kinds of service, but the same Lord.,
6 There are different kinds of working, but the same God, works all of them in all men.

The Gospels and Acts

Mat 1:18-22, Mat 3:9-11, Mat 3:16-17, Mat 4:1-4, Mat 10:19-23, Mat 12:28, Mat 28:19, Mark 12:35-37, Lk 1:15-17, Lk 1:30-35 *, Lk 1:67-69, Lk 2:25-32, Lk 4:12-13, Lk 10:21, Lk 12:8-10, Jn 1:32-34, Jn 3:31-35, Jn 14:15-17, Jn 14:25, Jn 15:26, Jn 16:7-10, Jn 16:13-15, Jn 20:16-22, Acts 1:4-5, Acts 1:7-8, Acts 2:32-33, Acts 2:38-39*, Acts 4:8-10, Acts 4:24-26, Act 4:29-31, Acts 5:30-32, Acts 7:51-56, Acts 8:14-17, Acts 9:15-20 Acts 10:38, Acts 11:15-17, Acts 11:23-24, Acts 15:7-11, Acts 16:6-10, Acts 20:22-24, Acts 28:23-25.

The Pauline writings

Rom 1:1-4, Rom 5:1-5, Rom 8:9-11, Rom 8:13-16, Rom 8:26-29, Rom 15:12-13*, Rom 15:16*, , Rom 14:15-17, Rom 15:16, Rom 15:18-19, Rom 15:30, I Cor 2:8-10, I Cor 2:14-16, I Cor 6:9-11, I Cor 6:14-19, I Cor 12:3-5*, 2 Cor 1:20-22, 2 Cor 3:3-4, 2 Cor 13:14*, Gal 3:1-5, Gal 4:4-6, Gal 5:21-25, Eph 2:17-18, Eph 3:14-17, Eph 4:4-6, Eph 4:30-32, Eph 5:18-20, Phil 3:3, I Thess 1:4-6, 2 Thess 2:13-14*, I Tim 3:15-16, Titus 3:4-6.*

The General Epistles

Heb 2:3-4; Heb 6:3-6; Heb 9:14*; Heb 10:29-31; I Pet 1:2; * I Pet 3:18; I Pet 4:14; I Jn 3:21-24; I Jn 4:13-14; I Jn 5:6-9; Jud 1:20-21*.

Revelation

Rev 14:12-13, Rev 22:17-18,
​

A better translation here is "father of eternity," NOT "eternal father" This translates "abi ad". Every other Theophoric name in the O.T. which begins with "Abi" is translated "Father of . . ." For example "Abimelech." means "Father of a king." So the son does NOT become the "Eternal Father." He is the father of, the one who possesses eternity.


The Father, Son and Holy Spirit have distinct minds, selves, and wills."

Gen 50:20 As for YOU, YOU had evil in mind against me. God had it in mind for good for the purpose of acting as at this day to preserve many people alive.
​

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.

1Co 12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

Phi 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.

Mat 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt. [/b]
​

HOGWASH...

God is one...

If you cannot prove God is three persons you have no trinity.

 

[stranger]

Eleven passages, ... reveal the Triunity of God. Each passage shows Father, Son, and Holy Spirit having a different relationship, effect, role, etc., with respect to believers.

It is unsurprising that the different 'facets' of the One true God have relation to each other , but they are One ...

Your mistake , as I have already discussed at length in this thread, in following others who made the error is in ignoring the rest of scripture which explains in lengthy detail that our salvation depends upon ALL 'facets' of god, not just three of them ...

God has many sons described in scripture and they have all played and will play their role in complete harmony of God's plan , equally God describes many facets of His spirit throughout the scripture...

It simply makes no sense to just count three when there are many , and it matters not that three are mentioned in some places, at other places one is mentioned at others seven ... there just is not any 'threeness about God , his many facets are ONE , none of them is three and no three are separate from the others, the many all are ONE, not just three of them ..

 

[stranger]

Name also means power/authority.

In Hebrew tradition the name means the 'role' ... the One role of God can be seen in all His many sons described in scripture and in the many facets of His spirit described in scripture ... it is still just one role with many facets... what it isn't is just three facets , there are many more ,all one, conformed to one overall role !

 

[stranger]

Name also means power/authority.

There is no mention of the Trinity in the Bible. That does not mean there is no Trinity.

You are arguing 'facts' - the Trinity points towards 'friendship' with God. In this respect the Trinity represents our 'best guess' in forming and maintaining that friendship.

If you want to relate to God then addressing only three facets of Him may be a start, but truly there are many facets of God described in the scripture:- all of His sons , all diverse and even distinct aspects of His Spirit , all of them One , none of them 'three' ... why stop counting at three and miss the richness of God , He has no 'threeness' whatsoever , He is many facets all ONE ... enjoy all of them, not just an arbitrary three of some divided paganised traditions , for a full enjoyment of love of all men as God commands.

1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God...

Numbers 16:22 And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation? [so much for 'original' sin doctrine then?]

1 Samuel 16:23 And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul,...

 

[gort]

He is right on about the word Elohim. I do not know what you think Adam is but I believe Adam was a son of God; just like Jesus. The difference being Adam was innocent; Jesus overcame all Adam failed at.

Adam could not have been just like Jesus as Adam did not create all things. Only God could have created all things. Who do the scriptures says created all things?

There are many names and descriptive titles of God in the scriptures. He is called Counselor, King, Shepherd, Rock, Shield, High Tower, Strong Arm, Saviour, Redeemer, Father, Yahweh, Elohim, El Shaddai, El Elyon, Jesus (Yahshua), and many, many others. Someone has said that there are about two hundred names for God in the Bible! The moment one begins to splinter the absolute wholeness that God is, to examine all His multi-faceted aspects and attributes, the number of splinters are as infinite as God is infinite. Each name of God, as He progressively revealed Himself, was a fresh and fuller revelation of the nature of God. One was a revelation of His Self-existence, another of His might, another was the unveiling of His grace. One revealed something more of His wisdom, another of His holiness, another of His tenderness, another of His exaltation and honor, another of His judgment, and so on.

Yes, and Isaiah prophesied that the name of Christ would be known as which names you have listed above?

God is one. not two, not three.

John 1 tells us that the Logos was God. Like it or not, you now have 2 Gods scripturally.

 

[stranger]

John 1 tells us that the Logos was God. Like it or not, you now have 2 Gods scripturally.

Yeah, but they are both One, in total agreement, just two ways of looking at the One God with different emphasis yet in total agreement as One... there are many facets of god, many ways of looking at Him, all One ...

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

 

[gort]

Yeah, but they are both One, in total agreement, just two ways of looking at the One God with different emphasis yet in total agreement as One... there are many facets of god, many ways of looking at Him, all One ...

John 10:30 I and my Father are one.

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


We have, at the moment, 2 Gods who are shown to have created all things; Jesus and the Father. Yet God is numerically one.


Creation is a special posession that only God has. There are no other facets nor many ways of looking at God in this respect. Only God can create all things. God is therefore shown to be in the person of Christ Jesus and the Father. We have 2 of the trinity plainly exhibited.

Divinity is also a special posession that only God has. Only God is divine and has the divine nature.

 

[Der Alte]

HOGWASH...

God is one...

If you cannot prove God is three persons you have no trinity.

Saying hogwash over and over and over again does NOT reply to anything and does NOT address any of the scripture I posted.

 

[stranger]

Jhn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jhn 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.


Jhn 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


We have, at the moment, 2 Gods who are shown to have created all things; Jesus and the Father. Yet God is numerically one.

Yes, as I posted :-

John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Two facets of One God , it doesn't take two gods to create ...

Creation is a special posession that only God has. There are no other facets nor many ways of looking at God in this respect. Only God can create all things. God is therefore shown to be in the person of Christ Jesus and the Father. We have 2 of the trinity plainly exhibited.

It makes no more sense to stop at two than to stop at three, there are many facets of God described in scripture an all are one... none are two, none are three, none are four ... all are one... One God, one creator,that can be viewed many ways , all totally compatible, all one ...

Divinity is also a special possession that only God has. Only God is divine and has the divine nature.

'Divinity' can mean different things to different folks, but it's original meaning , its essence, is separateness [holiness] to the plan of God... all the facets or roles of God are holy to His plan, all are at one with it...

God is not divided , but we can see aspects of Him differently, but there is no multiplicity , no division, all aspects agree and act in unism as One God...

There is absolutely nothing I can see to be gained by counting the facets of God, but if one did try, one would have no cause to stop at two, or three, or four, the bible describes many ... there just aren't only three ... there are many, all One.

 

[gort]

Yes, as I posted :-

John 10:30 I and my Father are one. Two facets of One God , it doesn't take two gods to create ...

Creation is a special posession that only God has. There are no other facets nor many ways of looking at God in this respect. Only God can create all things. God is therefore shown to be in the person of Christ Jesus and the Father. We have 2 of the trinity plainly exhibited.

It makes no more sense to stop at two than to stop at three, there are many facets of God described in scripture an all are one... none are two, none are three, none are four ... all are one... One God, one creator,that can be viewed many ways , all totally compatible, all one ...

'Divinity' can mean different things to different folks, but it's original meaning , its essence, is separateness [holiness] to the plan of God... all the facets or roles of God are holy to His plan, all are at one with it...

God is not divided , but we can see aspects of Him differently, but there is no multiplicity , no division, all aspects agree and act in unism as One God...

There is absolutely nothing I can see to be gained by counting the facets of God, but if one did try, one would have no cause to stop at two, or three, or four, the bible describes many ... there just aren't only three ... there are many, all One.