Trinity is wrong.

[k2svpete]

I don't understand the language being used? Odd, John wrote it plain enough. The Logos was God. Can't be an obscure concept at all.


Somehow, you make a strawman as I never said Jesus was the Word of God, like in the words written in the scriptures. Why do you do something like that?

What the? Is it just me or are you confirming a belief and then denying it in the next breath?

One doesn't need to be an expert in something to comment on it. The key is being able to know where to look and be able to weigh up the work of various contributors. That is called study.

 

[gort]

yea that's pretty much my impression. Usually people who dream up their own special doctrine consider themselves the only ones saved. to a certain extent that is true of trinity as well.

I will admit I've heard such from trinitarians. Sad, but true. Judgements can be righteously made, but not unto condemnation. Never. The day is not over yet. At least in the arena of a christian doctrine. However, there is condemnation to be said of those who do not believe in Christ as Lord and Saviour.

I never understood trinity for prolly a couple years. For a trinitarian to say I was condemned is close to ludicrous.

generally trintiarians sonsider only themselves saved even though most all trinitarian worships services are dead to the max. little to no moving of the spirit in them.

Your eyesight is not all-seeing by any means.

and just suppose for a moment here, that the logos is what God says or has said, instead of the sentient being that you guys dreamed up for a def. of logos.

Only a sentient being could have had an existence in heaven prior to earth and able to speak of it. Look up what Logos meant to other philosophers of the past for a better understanding.

What would be the meaning of 'the word was god' if word meant word and not sentient being? course I know you probably thing I'm a fool for thinking word means word.


well actually the doctrine is so rambling I doubt anyone understands it. He stoped talking to me once i pointed out thes cripture tjhat says christ is the true israel of God. Guess he doesn't want to hear those scriptures that contrdict his beliefs. typical.

Darby) Galatians 3:16 But to Abraham were the promises addressed, and to his seed: he does not say, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed; which is Christ.


(Darby) Isaiah 41:8 But thou, Israel, my servant, Jacob, whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham,

I'll tell you something. If you guys who combat trinitarianism could somehow be congruent in your thoughts, you might have a chance but prolly not. Problem is, you guys are'nt. Even the 5 or so pf you here of late are not congruent in your thoughts at all. YOu all have differnet interpretations and no consistency.
When John wrote the Logos was with GOd and the Logos was God, John knew something that every translation I have of an electronic bible all agree on- The Logos was God. ANd the Logos was made flesh and tabernacled with us. Even your Rotherhams prolly says the same thing. You can't escape it at all.



Tell me, what did Jesus mean by this when He says He will reveal HImself? Is it literal or figurative?

Joh 14:21 He who has My commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I will love him and will reveal Myself to him.

 

[gort]

What the? Is it just me or are you confirming a belief and then denying it in the next breath?

One doesn't need to be an expert in something to comment on it. The key is being able to know where to look and be able to weigh up the work of various contributors. That is called study.

I never said that basically, Jesus is the words written in the scriptures which was the basis of your strawman.

 

[2ducklow]

I will admit I've heard such from trinitarians.


Sad, but true. Judgements can be righteously made, but not unto condemnation. Never. The day is not over yet. At least in the arena of a christian doctrine. However, there is condemnation to be said of those who do not believe in Christ as Lord and Saviour.

See, what you are doing here is comparing trinity with believing in Christ as Lord and savior which is exactly why trinitarians consider onlythemselves saved. you aren't far from it.

I never understood trinity for prolly a couple years. For a trinitarian to say I was condemned is close to ludicrous.

I don't believe trinity can be understood because trinity is at it's basis a contradiction and contradictions cannot be understood. 3 is one is a contradiction and cannot be understood.

Your eyesight is not all-seeing by any means.

Actually I beleive that most every church service in the world is pretty lifeless and with little moving of the spirit in the service. Go into any church service in america and the vast majority of people have big frowns on their faces until the church service is over, then they are all happy and smilling and laughing and having a great time, once the service is over but not durring the service. That says to me that the joy of the lord is absent from church services. And it is.

Only a sentient being could have had an existence in heaven prior to earth and able to speak of it. Look up what Logos meant to other philosophers of the past for a better understanding.

so what you are saying is that it is impossible that logos means what god says. So that the meaning of john 1.1 cannot be this.

In the beginning was what God said, and what God said was with God, and what God said was God.

but rather it has to mean, according to you this.

In the beginning was a sentient being named word, and this sentient being word was with God, and this seintent being was God."

Your argument that philosphers say logos means sentient being means nothing. the Question is what does the Greek word logos which God used mean, and how is the Greek word logos used in scripture? I say logos is what god says accordint to is usage in scripture. you trinitarians need to explain when logos of god means sentient being and when it means what god says, but you never do, just as you guys never explain which god the word theos refers to in the bible. Is theos God the Father? God the son? god the holy spirit? all three? you guys never say. Which god is in view in john 1.1? And besides how do you know that the meaning of logos in john 1.1 is word? logos means more than jsut word, in fact fully 1/3 of the time logos isn't translated word and shouldn't be. the spanish bible translates it as verbo. some bibles say the meaning of logos is plan, so if you were spanish would you say Jesus is a verbo?



In the beginnning was the word and the word was with God (which God, all 3, god the father, god the son, god the holy spirit, which one? YOu guys never say even when pressed.) aand the word was God (which god? God the Father? God the son? god the holy spirit? all 3? which one come on tell us or do you not know? It's gotta be one of the 4. Or is it all four at once?)

I'll tell you something. If you guys who combat trinitarianism could somehow be congruent in your thoughts, you might have a chance but prolly not. Problem is, you guys are'nt. Even the 5 or so pf you here of late are not congruent in your thoughts at all. YOu all have differnet interpretations and no consistency. [/qupte] and of course all trinitarians have the same underxtanding of trinity right? did you notice that you gave no example of how anything I said was incongruent? just a baseless acusation.

When John wrote the Logos was with GOd and the Logos was God, John knew something that every translation I have of an electronic bible all agree on- The Logos was God. ANd the Logos was made flesh and tabernacled with us. Even your Rotherhams prolly says the same thing. You can't escape it at all.

it also says Jesus is a door. But he ain't a door with hinges on it.

Tell me, what did Jesus mean by this when He says He will reveal HImself? Is it literal or figurative?

Jesus reveals himself to me every day. Jesus revealed himself to me in a mighty way last night at church as he does every chruch service. He literally reveals himself to me in God's spirit. I don't see any import to your question vis a vis our current discussion however.

 

[gort]

See, what you are doing here is comparing trinity with believing in Christ as Lord and savior which is exactly why trinitarians consider onlythemselves saved. you aren't far from it.
I don't believe trinity can be understood because trinity is at it's basis a contradiction and contradictions cannot be understood. 3 is one is a contradiction and cannot be understood.

Do an update on your reading comprehension. When I say it is close to ludicrous to say that one is not saved because they don't understand trinity has no relation at all to what you have concluded.

Actually I beleive that most every church service in the world is pretty lifeless and with little moving of the spirit in the service. Go into any church service in america and the vast majority of people have big frowns on their faces until the church service is over, then they are all happy and smilling and laughing and having a great time, once the service is over but not durring the service. That says to me that the joy of the lord is absent from church services.

Yeah, like you'e been to almost every church service in the world. Get real. Right now, I'm seeing that you and some of your comrades are a skosh more congruent than I thought. Get my drift?

Your argument that philosphers say logos means sentient being means nothing.

Reading comprehension, remember? I said to look up how philosophers used it. I don't recall saying anything how phlosphers used it at all in any kind of context you can dream up.

the Question is what does the Greek word logos which God used mean, and how is the Greek word logos used in scripture? I say logos is what god says accordint to is usage in scripture.

Then you must think that what God says became flesh and tabernacled with men.

Jesus reveals himself to me every day. Jesus revealed himself to me in a mighty way last night at church as he does every chruch service. He literally reveals himself to me in God's spirit. I don't see any import to your question vis a vis our current discussion however.

You're the one who makes the determination if something is literal or figurative. And when you can't understand something to be literal it must be figurative. YOur description is more figurative than literal. Unless of course you visibly saw Jesus?

My question does pertain to the current discussion. Your experiences limit you in your understanding. Iow, if you can't understand something, then it just can't be. I'll bet if I told you I've visibly seen Jesus and you never have, you'd might think me a liar. If I told you Jesus figuratively reveals himself to me countless times a day you might think me a liar. Your belief/understanding in something is limited to your experiences.

John, near as I can tell, was prolly the closest apostle to Jesus. Jesus revealed Himself to John as the Word who was in the beginning, was with God and was God.

 

[2ducklow]

Do an update on your reading comprehension. When I say it is close to ludicrous to say that one is not saved because they don't understand trinity has no relation at all to what you have concluded.

First of all, trinitarians say that you have to BELIEVE trinity to be saved, not comprehend it. Most trinitarians know you cannot understand how 3 is one, though some will claim they do.

it appeared to me that you were saying that to truely believe that Jesus is lord and savior one has to believe in the trinity, and that you eventually found your way there. I do not believe one is a christian unless he makes Jesus his lord and savior, therefore it appears to me that you contradicted yourself by saying on the one hand trinity isn't necessary for salvation but one eventually has to get there to truely be saved.

Yeah, like you'e been to almost every church service in the world. Get real. Right now, I'm seeing that you and some of your comrades are a skosh more congruent than I thought. Get my drift?

Can you name one church service that is alive in the spirit? Name one on TV so I can see it. I've never seen one. oh it's true God is moving in every chruch service, but not to the extent that God wants. To me they all look like watered down versions of what God wants.

Reading comprehension, remember? I said to look up how philosophers used it. I don't recall saying anything how phlosphers used it at all in any kind of context you can dream up.

oh brother, splitting hairs . Do you have any point to this philospher stuff or am I to assume it is just some exercise of yours in futility.?

Then you must think that what God says became flesh and tabernacled with men.

Uh no, you see here is where we fundamentally differ, I make sense out of scripture you don't. 3 is one and 2 is one is nonsesne not sense.

The word (of god) became flesh (Jesus).
The word (of Ralph, who says to a woman :"will you marry me:") became flesh (with the birth of thier first born)

Both sentences should be intepreted the same way. the words of Ralph ultimately culminated in the birth of a son, the words of God ultimately culminated in the birth of his son. same thing.



ONce again you imploy your reasoning that there is only one possible interpretation of certain scriptures you use for trinity. There are nonsense interpretations (yours) and there are interpetations that make sense (mine.) I don't make nonssense interpretations like 3 is one or 2 is one or what god said morphed into felsh. you make those kinds of illogical nonsenseical interpretaions of scripture, not me.

You're the one who makes the determination if something is literal or figurative. And when you can't understand something to be literal it must be figurative. YOur description is more figurative than literal. Unless of course you visibly saw Jesus?

I explained how I believe Jesus reveals himself to us, call it what you want.
i determine that something is not literal if it makes no sense when taken literally. you determine that something is literal if it supports trinity, whether it makes any logical sense is irrelevant to you.

My question does pertain to the current discussion. Your experiences limit you in your understanding.


Iow, if you can't understand something, then it just can't be.

If one can't understand it then how can you say it is true? God didn't say trinity, you do. So I'm suppose to accept trinity which can't be understood cause you say it's true. No way Jose/.

I'll bet if I told you I've visibly seen Jesus and you never have, you'd might think me a liar.

Not knowing you my assumption would be that it is highly improbable but not impossible, If I knew you better , then I might have a more possitive opinon one way or the other.

If I told you Jesus figuratively reveals himself to me countless times a day you might think me a liar.

No I think you most probably are born again christian and therefore are a christian. Trinity has nothing to do with whetheryou are saved or not the way I see it.

Your belief/understanding in something is limited to your experiences.

So is yours, you jsut ignore your experiences. you ignore your expereines that tell you 3 is not one, and 2 is not one. I don't. you accept your experiences with fellow trinitarians who tell you 3 is one makes sense, I reject my experiences with trintiarains who say 3 is one makes sense because it plainly and clearly is not. Can I be blunt on this point? Not trying to offend you but to me saying 3 is one is just plain goofy. Nonsense is not a strong enough word to describe correctly the idea of 3 being one, it comes short where as goofy hits the nail on the head,. If someone came up to you on the street and asked you how many blocks it is to such and such street, and you say 10 blocks then turn right for 2 blocks. and they guy says :"ok yea 10 is 13 so I go 13 blocks and turn left cause right is left, and go another 5 blocks cause 2 is 5, gottcha." you'd probably think "what a dufus this guy is.": That's how 3 is one appears to me. I'm not calling you a dufus or saying you are goofy. you just don't realize that 3 is one is in the same category or you would reject it if you did.


What God says requires no proof for me as to whether it is true or not. Anyone's doctrine, such as trinity, must be proven to me and must make sense. Trinity fails both tests. I will not accept, nor should I accept, any doctrine on faith. And I don't.

John, near as I can tell, was prolly the closest apostle to Jesus. Jesus revealed Himself to John as the Word who was in the beginning, was with God and was God.

See that's your interrpretation, not what scripture says. and your interpretation makes no sense. you justify it by claiming that your interpretation is the only possible meaning, But it isn't. there are interpretations, such as mine, that make sense. If you or anyone says something that makes no sense, like Jesus existed before he existed as some fella whose name is word and word changed into a fetus in marys womb and you call that begatting and conceiving., then I ain't gonna believe it cause it is not only nonsencial but is also oh well nevermind.

 

[stranger]

There are many sons of God in scripture , why only count one ? :-

at least many are images of Jesus Christ , why do they not count for you, why stop at three just because three are mentioned in some places, in other places many are mentioned :-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

 

[2ducklow]

There are many sons of God in scripture , why only count one ? :-

at least many are images of Jesus Christ , why do they not count for you, why stop at three just because three are mentioned in some places, in other places many are mentioned :-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Genesis 6:2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
Genesis 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.
Philippians 2:15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
1 John 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Jesus is the only begotten son, we are just sons of god by adoption. none of us were born in the flesh by god as Jesus was. God created a new male seed to begat Jesus with. Begat means that. also the bible says Mary conceived Jesus, none of us were begotten and conceived in the flesh by god and mary as Jesus was. That's the difference. Jesus is come in the flesh as the son of god, we are come in the spirit as sons of God.

 

[stranger]

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,...

Jesus is only the first begotten of the dead, the first resurrected and taken [translated] ... just the first of many sons of god, all images of him, just the same, sons begotten of God at Jesus' return

No son of God before that was resurrected and translated , but Enoch and one in every seventh generation was taken never to see death, never to be resurrected, but still sons of God, just as validly as Jesus ...the scripture describes many sons of God, it matters not that one had to be the first who died and was resurrected, someone had to be first of the many described...

Why one should want to count sonsof God I do not know, the scripture says that they cannot be numbered, and that they are all one, but that is n reason to stop counting at one son... they are innumerable [except inreligious myth of sinners, cos' all sons of God are saints]

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

 

[2ducklow]

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

Acts 13:32 And we declare unto you glad tidings, how that the promise which was made unto the fathers,
33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

Revelation 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead,...

Jesus is only the first begotten of the dead, the first resurrected and taken [translated] ... just the first of many sons of god, all images of him, just the same, sons begotten of God at Jesus' return

No son of God before that was resurrected and translated , but Enoch and one in every seventh generation was taken never to see death, never to be resurrected, but still sons of God, just as validly as Jesus ...the scripture describes many sons of God, it matters not that one had to be the first who died and was resurrected, someone had to be first of the many described...

Why one should want to count sonsof God I do not know, the scripture says that they cannot be numbered, and that they are all one, but that is n reason to stop counting at one son... they are innumerable [except inreligious myth of sinners, cos' all sons of God are saints]

2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

So if one verse uses the word begotten then all other verses using the word begotten have to refer to the same event right? God couldn't say in a figurative sense that Jesus was begotten form the dead and refer to his resurrection and use the same word in a literal sense and say Jesus is the only begotten son of God. Cause begotten has to mean the same in both sentences right? why?

 

[stranger]

Jesus was the first, and for a while the only son of God resurrected from death , it does not mean God is dead and it isn't a theology , it is simply what scripture says.

There are many sons of God both before an after Jesus , not least the prodigal son of God :-

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

the left-hand covering cherub at the very throne of God , looking just like Logos standing at the right hand of God , just as the antichrist resembles the Christ but has a very different role in God's plan, both having the face of a man , both dying mortal deaths [Ezek 28, Isaiah 14]

It really makes no sense to count sons of God, but counting only one of them is just like taking one orange from a bag of oranges and saying it shows there is only one orange... why count at all, it helps one not a jot , but if one must count then count them all, good luck cos' they are innurerable and all look the same as Jesus , in his very image... you won't know which to pick if you want to stop counting having only looked for one [sorry, a bit of scriptural humour on a truth few yet acknowledge, maybe you don't see the funny side of it yet ]:-

Romans 8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

 

[2ducklow]

i can see why you chose to call yourself stranger

 

[k2svpete]

ha ha ha ha....

 

[wayseer]

i can see why you chose to call yourself stranger

Because, I suspect, he is not a Christian.

 

[stranger]

i can see why you chose to call yourself stranger

I doubt that since you do not even notice that what I pointed out came from the scripture I quoted, not from me , why not check it out for sake of yourself ? Why have faith in divided doctrines that sinners teach when one has the scripture written by saints ?:

Isaiah 14:1 For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Ezekiel 28:10 ['Satan']Thou shalt die the deaths of the uncircumcised by the hand of strangers: for I have spoken it, saith the Lord GOD.

The actual new covenant ... read it for yourself in your own bible and learn from St Paul the mistakes the sinners who taught you may have made :

Hebrews 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the House of Israel and with the House of Judah:

[Note who the new covenant is with , that they were at fault, but are fORGIVEN below: ]

9 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.

[Note that the new covenant is only with those whose ancestors broke the old covenant, Israel's two divided nations, two Houses of kings.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

[Note that God does not allow men to teach as happens in religion, but does so Himself]

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

[Note , the House of Israel is FORGIVEN now altough they were rejected]

Just read it for yourself in your own bible , from saints, not sinners...

 

[2ducklow]

[Note that God does not allow men to teach as happens in religion, but does so Himself]

then take your own adivice and stop trying to teach us.

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Hebrews 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.

heb. 5.12 definitely applies to you.

 

[stranger]

then take your own adivice and stop trying to teach us.

I ain't trying to teach anyone, just pointing out what the scripture actually says , to discuss God's words instead of those of divided sinners in modern religion ... it's up to everyone to make their own mind up, I would just point out that it makes more sense to listen to saints who gave the truth for free than sinners who make a living preaching easily-disprovable soothsayings

Ephesians 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

1 Corinthians 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

Hebrews 5:12 For when by reason of the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need again that some one teach you the rudiments of the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of solid food.

You missed the point that Paul actually told us that he was the apostle to the gentiles - attempting the impossible task of teaching the gentiles about Israel - for this he set up churches as he went and even found a few of the House of Israel as he went ... but the task Jesus set the other apostles was different, to find the House of Israel amongst the gentiles, Jesus' own task set him by God for his first visit

Matthew 15:24 But he [Jesus]answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Matthew 10:5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Do you not agree that there would seem little point in saying we believe in Jesus if we ignore the only thing that he said he came first to do [toward eventually saving all sinners ] ?

heb. 5.12 definitely applies to you.

I have only pointed out what the scripture says , and you just ignore it, are incapable of discussing the words of Jesus and the saints... I talk about the 'strong meat' of the deeper implications and you ignore that too , so what source do you get your beliefs from if not the words of the saints and Jesus which I quote to you ??? Why will you not discuss ??? What did you come to a discussion site for if you don't want to discuss ??? What is your explanation of the division of religion if you think yours is better than Jesus' and the saints' ???

 

[2ducklow]

then take your own adivice and stop trying to teach us.

I ain't trying to teach anyone, just pointing out what the scripture actually says , to discuss God's words instead of those of divided sinners in modern religion ... it's up to everyone to make their own mind up, I would just point out that it makes more sense to listen to saints who gave the truth for free than sinners who make a living preaching easily-disprovable soothsayings

all of your comments about those scriptures are your theology and your teachings, not Gods. If you want to leave the teaching up to god and not man then just quote scriptures without any comments. So take your own advice and stop teaching us as you would have others stop teaching us.

 

[hybrid]

stranger theology is quite simple. he are all partakers of divine nature and therefore we are all sons of god.

wycliff version is most fascinating...

1 Simon Peter, servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to them that have taken with us the even-faith [to them that have taken with us the even much faith], in the rightwiseness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ, 2 grace and peace be filled to you, by the knowing of our Lord Jesus Christ. [grace to you, and peace be full-filled, in the knowing of our Lord Jesus Christ.]

3 How all things of his god-like virtue, that be to life and piety [that be into life and piety], be given to us, by the knowing of him, that called us for his own glory and virtue.

4 By whom he gave to us most [and] precious promises; that by these things ye shall be made fellows of God's kind, and flee the corruption of that covetousness [fleeing the corruption of that covetousness], that is in the world.

 

[wayseer]

stranger theology is quite simple. he are all partakers of divine nature and therefore we are all sons of god.

What you acknowledge is universalism and is not Christian doctrine.

It is part of the warm cuddly new age theology that says 'you'r ok, I'm ok, we're all ok'.

Don't swallow Stranger's syrupy words and catchy phrases.