Carboniferous coal measures contain no flowering plants or grasses

[MrGoodBytes]

I don't know why Carboniferous plants aren't found in coal. Nor do I really care. I'm sure it's documented in an expensive "science" book somewhere.

Indeed, and this expensive science book (note lack of quotation marks) says that flowering plants hadn't evolved yet at the time coal formed.

 

[AV1611VET]

If you make the statement “plants were created” then you have to back it up with evidence, and seeing how creationists put so much sucker on their sudo-science, let’s see their evidence.

No, he doesn't have to back it up with evidence. You want evidence of created plants?

Try this plant.​

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Excuse me? Are you talking to just me, or the ones who are asking me questions? If the latter, please don't tack this accusation on to my post. I'm only answering questions.

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I don't know why Carboniferous plants aren't found in coal. Nor do I really care. I'm sure it's documented in an expensive "science" book somewhere.

My apologies this was aimed at all who derail threads, particularly thread relevant to the topic of creationism and evolution.

Where are all the creationist scientists, I mean they want to be taken seriously, so lets have their evidences so I can take them seriously?

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

No, he doesn't have to back it up with evidence. You want evidence of created plants?

Try this plant.​

I would probably leave creationist alone, but they want to step over the line and have their sudo-science taught in real science classes, so until they go back to the mysticism classes I will keep pushing for creationist sudo-science answers.

Where are the creationist scientists?

Come on we are all waiting.

 

[AV1611VET]

Indeed, and this expensive science book (note lack of quotation marks) says that flowering plants hadn't evolved yet at the time coal formed.

I've got a Book that says basically the same thing: The Bible.

And It says it without a copyright.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I've got a Book that says basically the same thing: The Bible.

Really? Where?

And It says it without a copyright.

 

[MrGoodBytes]

I would probably leave creationist alone, but they want to step over the line and have their sudo-science taught in real science classes, so until they go back to the mysticism classes I will keep pushing for creationist sudo-science answers.

Where are the creationist scientists?

Come on we are all waiting.

To be fair, AV1611VET does not want to have creationism taught in science classes, nor does he claim that there exists evidence for the Biblical creation story.

 

[AV1611VET]

I would probably leave creationist alone...

Please don't leave this creationist alone. I eat people like you for breakfast.

...but they want to step over the line and have their sudo-science taught in real science classes...

Not this creationist --- I'm on record as saying I wouldn't trust your public education system to teach creation. (I would trust them to teach spelling though.)

...so until they go back to the mysticism classes I will keep pushing for creationist sudo-science answers.

Don't expect them to go "back" to mysticism classes anytime soon, except maybe to witness.

Where are the creationist scientists?

They did their job --- having given us:

1. Antiseptic Surgery
2. Bacteriology
3. Calculus
4. Celestial Mechanics
5. Chemistry
6. Comparative Anatomy
7. Computer Science
8. Dimensional Analysis
9. Dynamics
10. Electrodynamics
11. Electromagnetics
12. Electronics
13. Energetics
14. Entomology of LivingInsects
15. Field Theory
16. Fluid Mechanics
17. Galactic Astronomy
18. Gas Dynamics
19. Genetics
20. Glacial Geology
21. Gynecology
22. Hydraulics
23. Hydrography
24. Hydrostatics
25. Ichtyology
26. Isotopic Chemistry
27. Model Analysis
28. Natural History
29. Non-Euclidean Geometry
30. Oceanography
31. Optical Mineralogy
32. Paleontology
33. Pathology
34. Physical Astronomy
35. ReversibleThermodynamics
36. Statistical Thermodynamics
37. Stratigraphy
38. Systematic Biology
39. Thermodynamics
40. Thermokinetics
41. Vertebrate Paleontology

In addition to ---

1. Absolute Temperature Scale
2. Actuarial Tables
3. Barometer
4. Biogenesis Law
5. Calculating Machine
6. Chloroform
7. Classification System
8. Double Stars
9. Electric Generator
10. Electric Motor
11. Ephemeris Tables
12. Fermentation Control
13. Galvanometer
14. Global Star Catalog
15. Inert Gases
16. Kaleidoscope
17. Law of Gravity
18. Mine Safety Lamp
19. Pasteurization
20. Reflecting Telescope
21. Scientific Method
22. Self-Induction
23. Telegraph
24. Thermionic Valve
25. Trans-Atlantic Cable
26. Vaccination and Immunization

Come on we are all waiting.

Lead the way.

 

[dad]

Today is not yesterday.

You are right, today is not yesterday, that’s one of the premises of geology and evolution.

Today flowering plants

350 million years ago non-flowering plants.

Or, 5000 years ago, flowering plants arrive on the scene of the swamp.

What the hell is mostly created, either they were or there were not created.

Here is what the hell it is..they all were created, but not in the swamp. So, of the swamp plants, which ones migrated, and which ones, if any were created there. That is the question.

What we see today were not created they evolved from simpler plant life, such as found in the Carboniferous coal measures.

Prove it. Silly fairy tale.

If you make the statement “plants were created” then you have to back it up with evidence, and seeing how creationists put so much sucker on their sudo-science, let’s see their evidence.

The bible is evidence. Aside from that, science has nothing but wild guesses.

Was god the gardener, or did he have is minions to do it.

He did it. Hey, toss a few seeds, how hard is that??

The problems are all with creationists.

In your mind, maybe.

Amongst the entire vast Carboniferous coal reserves world wide not a single, seed, blade of grass, twig, trunk, bark or any other part of a flowering plant has been found.

The evidence mounts, the plants of Eden, by and large just did not get there yet!

By creationists own admissions these coal reserves are a product of the flood.

Wooooaaaahhhhhhhh. Nosir. They are pre flood.

Therefore <4000 years ago there were no flowering plants, no bees, humming birds, no crops for people to grow and eat etc.

Therefore you git on back to that old drawing board.

Remember all human crops are flowering plant, and none are found in the so called creationist flood deposits.

So called by you, not me. That is the old passe flood geology.

The problems are all creationists, which is funny when they actually created these problems in the first place.

They that assume the flood as the be all end all have problems, yes, as do you. I, thankfully, am laughing.

 

[dad]

Please don't leave this creationist alone. I eat people like you for breakfast.

Bro??

 

[AV1611VET]

Bro??

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Please don't leave this creationist alone. I eat people like you for breakfast.



Not this creationist --- I'm on record as saying I wouldn't trust your public education system to teach creation. (I would trust them to teach spelling though.)



Don't expect them to go "back" to mysticism classes anytime soon, except maybe to witness.



They did their job --- having given us:

1. Antiseptic Surgery
2. Bacteriology
3. Calculus
4. Celestial Mechanics
5. Chemistry
6. Comparative Anatomy
7. Computer Science
8. Dimensional Analysis
9. Dynamics
10. Electrodynamics
11. Electromagnetics
12. Electronics
13. Energetics
14. Entomology of LivingInsects
15. Field Theory
16. Fluid Mechanics
17. Galactic Astronomy
18. Gas Dynamics
19. Genetics
20. Glacial Geology
21. Gynecology
22. Hydraulics
23. Hydrography
24. Hydrostatics
25. Ichtyology
26. Isotopic Chemistry
27. Model Analysis
28. Natural History
29. Non-Euclidean Geometry
30. Oceanography
31. Optical Mineralogy
32. Paleontology
33. Pathology
34. Physical Astronomy
35. ReversibleThermodynamics
36. Statistical Thermodynamics
37. Stratigraphy
38. Systematic Biology
39. Thermodynamics
40. Thermokinetics
41. Vertebrate Paleontology

In addition to ---

1. Absolute Temperature Scale
2. Actuarial Tables
3. Barometer
4. Biogenesis Law
5. Calculating Machine
6. Chloroform
7. Classification System
8. Double Stars
9. Electric Generator
10. Electric Motor
11. Ephemeris Tables
12. Fermentation Control
13. Galvanometer
14. Global Star Catalog
15. Inert Gases
16. Kaleidoscope
17. Law of Gravity
18. Mine Safety Lamp
19. Pasteurization
20. Reflecting Telescope
21. Scientific Method
22. Self-Induction
23. Telegraph
24. Thermionic Valve
25. Trans-Atlantic Cable
26. Vaccination and Immunization



Lead the way.

Ha; you are mixing up Christian scientists and creation scientists.

I know many good scientists of many religions, being Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu and Buddhist etc, does not preclude you from being an expert in any scientific field.

Creationist science is a whole new ball game, they claim to do research that supports a young Earth hypothesis. These are the people I want to come here and back up their claims with evidences, but sadly I think they will never do that, because they know how wrong they are.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creationist science is a whole new ball game, they claim to do research that supports a young Earth hypothesis. These are the people I want to come here and back up their claims with evidences, but sadly I think they will never do that, because they know how wrong they are.

Well, I'm not too sure what they're talking about. I don't understand why anyone would want to extend creationism beyond Genesis 1; but if that's the direction the Lord is leading them, then, of course, it would be okay. I would be highly interested at what they would come up with in the form of empirical evidence - (other than the Bible, of course).

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well, I'm not too sure what they're talking about. I don't understand why anyone would want to extend creationism beyond Genesis 1; but if that's the direction the Lord is leading them, then, of course, it would be okay. I would be highly interested at what they would come up with in the form of empirical evidence - (other than the Bible, of course).

Since when did the Bible count as empiracle evidence?

 

[AV1611VET]

Since when did the Bible count as empiracle evidence?

Since It was completed in 96AD and survived 1912 years of modified preservation under hostile conditions.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Since It was completed in 96AD and survived 1912 years of modified preservation under hostile conditions.

Like the Qu'ran, the Vedic texts, and the writings of the Bahá'u'lláh? True, they weren't all made simultaneously in 96CE, but you get my point.

 

[ChordatesLegacy]

Well, I'm not too sure what they're talking about. I don't understand why anyone would want to extend creationism beyond Genesis 1; but if that's the direction the Lord is leading them, then, of course, it would be okay. I would be highly interested at what they would come up with in the form of empirical evidence - (other than the Bible, of course).

The Bible is not empirical in any definition of the word

1. Relying on or derived from observation or experiment: empirical results that supported the hypothesis.
a. Verifiable or provable by means of observation or experiment: empirical laws.
2. Guided by practical experience and not theory, especially in medicine.



Empirical evidence as been provided throughout this thread for an ancient Earth, that coal seams form in situ, that there are no flowering plants in the Carboniferous coal measures, that less complex plant were around millions of years before flowering plants evolved.

The bible is nothing more than Bronze Aged Man&#8217;s feeble attempt at explaining the world around them. In the light of modern science it has no place in the natural sciences, particularly geology.

What I am talking about is creationist science versus science, is that so hard for you to understand.

 

[AV1611VET]

What I am talking about is creationist science versus science, is that so hard for you to understand.

Yes --- I'm sorry, but that is hard for me to understand. Creation Science is to me an oxymoron.

I'm not sure the point you're making with this carboniferous stuff embedded here and there, but I do know that before the Flood, this planet was inhabited by a race that could do things beyond our wildest science. Walk through walls, teleport, walk on the moon, whatever. And if this explanation doesn't have any place on someone's clipboard, that's too bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like the Qu'ran, the Vedic texts, and the writings of the Bahá'u'lláh? True, they weren't all made simultaneously in 96CE, but you get my point.

Accept no imitations ---

Everything God has, Satan has a cheap imitation for --- including documentation.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Accept no imitations ---

Everything God has, Satan has a cheap imitation for --- including documentation.

So how can you tell Satan's imitations from the real deal? What if the Bible is itself an imitation of, say, the Qu'ran? Or the Vedic texts? Or the Wiccan Rede ()?