Carboniferous coal measures contain no flowering plants or grasses

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Maybe he lets his kids post on his account.

Actually, I have done that. I was in a race with someone to be the first to 150,000 posts. I'd give my kids a buck for every hundred they did in the counting threads.

Most of my posts are spam, but there are a few nuggets in there.

 

[Abongil]

You really need to work on your Poe radar.

Otherwise, excellent posts!

Peter

Could we call it Poedar?

 

[EnemyPartyII]

I just recieved this enlightening missive from AiG on this subject

Dear ,

Thank you for contacting Answers in Genesis. Here is an excerpt from: http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/origin-of-plants
Precambrian pollen: a response to questions about creationist research, Williams, Chaffin, Howe, et al., www.rae.org/pollen. html
A paper published in 1966 by C. L. Burdick put forth the claim that pollen and other organic material was found in the Hakatai shale of Grand Canyon. If true, this would push back the date of the origin of plants to the Precambrian era. No secular or evolutionary scientists would even bother spending time and money researching such a topic. It has been suggested by various sources that the samples were simply contaminated by modern pollen or that pollen grains had worked their way into cracks in the rocks. Several authors have defended the work and refute the claims of those who challenge the findings. Later papers noted that microspores have also been found in Cambrian rocks in India, Australia, and Russia.
If pollen is deeper that the depth that evo’s claim for the origin of flowing plants, then their date is wrong. With kindness I Christ

PS If you would like to order any of our materials during the month of January, here is a discount code to get them at a better price: 08AD734JAN. Please note that this offer is only available in our U.S. bookstore. If you use the discount code, you will receive a 10% discount. This offer expires at the end of January 2008, and cannot be used with any other offer, with magazine subscriptions, or with AiG’s online courses.

Bodie Hodge, M.Sc.
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Answers in Genesis
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You'd almost think they were more interested in selling me stuff than answering my question!

 

[Patashu]

Did you ask why there's no modern plants in coal or what?

 

[dad]

Did you ask why there's no modern plants in coal or what?

I would think, because they are dead. Long ago. But seriously, I would say that the plants started in Eden, most of them. Then, the spread out, over time, evolving as needed along the way. In some cases, no flowering plants arrived at the area yet. It took time.

 

[Patashu]

I would think, because they are dead. Long ago. But seriously, I would say that the plants started in Eden, most of them. Then, the spread out, over time, evolving as needed along the way. In some cases, no flowering plants arrived at the area yet. It took time.

Here's the situation: We find only certain plants in coal, ones that date back to prehistory. No modern plant is found in coal, ever.

And here is the problem: If the world is 6000 and includes a great flood and no evolution, how is it the case that a certain set of plants (prehistoric) are always found in coal while another set of plants (modern) never are?

Do you have a good answer, dad?

 

[dad]

Here's the situation: We find only certain plants in coal, ones that date back to prehistory. No modern plant is found in coal, ever.

So what? What caused coal to begin with?
" Most of our coal was formed ... years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps."
http://www.ket.org/Trips/Coal/AGSMM/agsmmhow.html

That seems to indicate that coal was formed in a certain period. The period was a time when a lot of the earth was swampy. That means inhospitable to most plants and creatures from Eden. Remember, that Eden was the hospitable part of the earth. Only certain plants would have ended up there. Those plants likely were, if the coal forming period was early enough, some plants that were created for the earth at large. (as I say, most were in Eden), but it seems some were made for the earth at large as well, some creatures and plants, helped to get the earth ready for us. Now, we may add to that pollen or perhaps some seeds birds dropped. That depends on how long the swampy areas were there. A point comes when most coal is formed, and locks in the fossils of plants it had at the time.

Later, more plants arrive in the area from Eden's migration, on layers above that. Naturally, only some plants would be reflected in the coal record.

Piece of cake.

 

[Patashu]

Booyah, I finally got a creationist to answer the topic.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I would think, because they are dead. Long ago. But seriously, I would say that the plants started in Eden, most of them. Then, the spread out, over time, evolving as needed along the way. In some cases, no flowering plants arrived at the area yet. It took time.

It took millions of years for non-flowering plants to evolved into flowering plants. Indeed, they did this in sync with the evolution of things like bees and birds. So just how long ago do you think Eden was?

 

[Frumious Bandersnatch]

So what? What caused coal to begin with?
" Most of our coal was formed ... years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps."
http://www.ket.org/Trips/Coal/AGSMM/agsmmhow.html

That seems to indicate that coal was formed in a certain period. The period was a time when a lot of the earth was swampy. That means inhospitable to most plants and creatures from Eden. Remember, that Eden was the hospitable part of the earth. Only certain plants would have ended up there.

So you claim the swampy earth was inhospitable to flowering plants like water lillies, cattails, willows and mangrove trees and all the myriad of other flowering plants that thrive in swamps.

Those plants likely were, if the coal forming period was early enough, some plants that were created for the earth at large. (as I say, most were in Eden), but it seems some were made for the earth at large as well, some creatures and plants, helped to get the earth ready for us. Now, we may add to that pollen or perhaps some seeds birds dropped. That depends on how long the swampy areas were there. A point comes when most coal is formed, and locks in the fossils of plants it had at the time.

More of your typical absurd handwaving babble that fails to explain anything.

Later, more plants arrive in the area from Eden's migration, on layers above that. Naturally, only some plants would be reflected in the coal record.

Piece of cake.

Piece of dad-hoc nonsense as usual.

 

[Nitron]

It took millions of years for non-flowering plants to evolved into flowering plants. Indeed, they did this in sync with the evolution of things like bees and birds. So just how long ago do you think Eden was?

1000 space years ago

 

[atomweaver]

So what? What caused coal to begin with?
" Most of our coal was formed ... years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps."
http://www.ket.org/Trips/Coal/AGSMM/agsmmhow.html

That seems to indicate that coal was formed in a certain period. The period was a time when a lot of the earth was swampy. That means inhospitable to most plants and creatures from Eden. Remember, that Eden was the hospitable part of the earth.

..?!!??

Gen 1:31

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

How does one contort onesself from Very Good into inhospitable?

 

[Naraoia]

So what? What caused coal to begin with?
" Most of our coal was formed ... years ago, when much of the earth was covered by steamy swamps."
http://www.ket.org/Trips/Coal/AGSMM/agsmmhow.html

That seems to indicate that coal was formed in a certain period. The period was a time when a lot of the earth was swampy. That means inhospitable to most plants and creatures from Eden. Remember, that Eden was the hospitable part of the earth. Only certain plants would have ended up there. Those plants likely were, if the coal forming period was early enough, some plants that were created for the earth at large. (as I say, most were in Eden), but it seems some were made for the earth at large as well, some creatures and plants, helped to get the earth ready for us. Now, we may add to that pollen or perhaps some seeds birds dropped. That depends on how long the swampy areas were there. A point comes when most coal is formed, and locks in the fossils of plants it had at the time.

Later, more plants arrive in the area from Eden's migration, on layers above that. Naturally, only some plants would be reflected in the coal record.

Piece of cake.

Do you see the problem with that explanation?

There are some mighty swampy places on earth today, many of them tropical, and those are dominated by flowering plants, just as almost any other terrestrial habitat.

 

[Nitron]

Do you see the problem with that explanation?

There are some mighty swampy places on earth today, many of them tropical, and those are dominated by flowering plants, just as almost any other terrestrial habitat.

No, those "flowering plants" are actually imitations put by a space-god to lead us away from jesus.

learn some science, it'll do you good.

 

[Naraoia]

No, those "flowering plants" are actually imitations put by a space-god to lead us away from jesus.

Oh, crap

learn some science, it'll do you good.

Maybe that's why I'm getting a bachelors in it in a couple of years

 

[Tiberius]

God removed them to test our faith. All you EVILutionists are going to hell because you insist on using the gift of reason that God gave you!

 

[DaveISBG]

Here’s a few more images of carboniferous fossils whilst you contemplate the absolute destruction of your young Earth point of view. Asterophyllities equisetiformis. Leafy branches of a calamite tree. Note how the leaves themselves (which are thin and elongate) are arranged in whorls on the stems.

How do you arrive at carboniferous calamite trees fossils, with stems complete with what appears to be perfectly preserved leaves, From vegetation that grew in hot steamy swamps.

Surely the stems and leaves would rotted and been eaten by bacteria long before they would have had a chance to fossilize and then turn into coal.

One answer for this would be that many untold numbers of trees where uprooted and instantly buried, then compressed and eventually became layers of coal. These layers are sometimes hundreds of feet deep and unsullied by other material.

 

[AV1611VET]

God removed them to test our faith. All you EVILutionists are going to hell because you insist on using the gift of reason that God gave you!

"EVILutionists" are not going to Hell because they're "using the gift of reason that God gave them." Anyone going to Hell is going because they didn't accept the give of grace that God offered them.

[bible]Ephesians 2:8-9[/bible]

(And yes, I know this was a parody.)

 

[milkyway]

"EVILutionists" are not going to Hell because they're "using the gift of reason that God gave them." Anyone going to Hell is going because they didn't accept the give of grace that God offered them.

[bible]Ephesians 2:8-9[/bible]

(And yes, I know this was a parody.)

What do you mean by 'grace' please?

 

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"EVILutionists" are not going to Hell because they're "using the gift of reason that God gave them." Anyone going to Hell is going because they didn't accept the give of grace that God offered them.

[bible]Ephesians 2:8-9[/bible]

(And yes, I know this was a parody.)

But God doesn't offer that gift to everyone, does He? Look at poor Esua. Hated by God even before he was born.