Pre-Poll Discussion for New SDA/Bible Study Forum

[woobadooba]

I do not agree with the following rule:

· 8) Any teacher violating any of the rules of this sub-forum will lose their teacher status, and their study thread will be closed.

Who has given a teacher the gift to teach, man, or God?

If this rule were to apply as an absolute there would be no teachers, or pastors.

God would have mercy!

Everyone slips up from time to time. To strip a person of his teachig status, and toss out a Bible study that he has worked so hard on just because he violates a rule of the forum is totally insensitive, and too harsh.

Now we already have our warning/FSB system. We don't need to add to it.

I admit that if a person shows himself to be hostile and problematic on a regular basis then that person should not be reinstated when his time as a teacher expires. But to just toss him out if he breaks a rule is totally unmerciful.

Would God do this? Should really be the underlying question of every rule.

Now, as to how you have worded certain rules, I would like to make some suggestions:

Quote:
5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as revised by Daryl and tweaked by reddogs, InotTheCrimsonSky, and Daryl)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

Should be like this: 5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists, for fellowship and learning, so that they may grow in Christ.

5.2 Even though this sub-forum is mainly for new Seventh-day Adventist Christians, it does not exclude veteran Adventists or non-SDA new Christians from participating in Bible study. All are welcome to participate in ongoing Bible Studies.

Should be like this: 5.2 Even though this sub-forum is mainly for new Seventh-day Adventist Christians, it does not exclude veteran Adventists or non-SDA Christians from participating in Bible study. All are welcome to participate in ongoing Bible Studies.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

Should be like this: 5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs, nor should anything that is contrary to what we believe be inculcated within a Bible study.
If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 No debate is allowed in this forum. What this means is that if someone challenges a belief, the teacher has a right to answer his/her question. If that person persists in arguing with the teacher over the matter, then he/she will receive a warning, and his/her post will be deleted. Upon repeat occurances, such a person will no longer be able to participate in Bible study. If that person is deemed as one that is not allowed to partcipate in Bible study, but does so anyway, then he/she will receive a 2 week FSB from the SDA forum every time he/she violates this rule.

 

[OntheDL]

It's just too complicated and too restrictive.

The next thing you know you can't even go to the bathroom without checking with the rules first.

Here is my proposal:

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as proposed and revised by DL)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

5.2 All are welcome to participate in the study.

5.3 All who professes to be SDA members can start a study thread. But posters should check the post history first to avoid starting too many new threads on similiar topics. Mods can combine similiar threads into a single thread.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 Debating will NOT be permitted here.

 

[woobadooba]

DL, the idea of having select teachers is good because it prevents the forum from having too many studies going on at the same time.

Where there are too many studies going on at the same time with only a few people present to study, many studies will be left untouched, and this may prove to hurt the feelings of those that started them. They may feel like people aren't interested in what that person has to say, or share.

In fact, this already happened to me. That is why I closed my study. People just didn't seem to care. I wanted to go through the first epistle of John, and possibly the other two, verse by verse. But nobody seemed to care.

 

[reddogs]

It's just too complicated and too restrictive.

The next thing you know you can't even go to the bathroom without checking with the rules first.

Here is my proposal:

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as proposed and revised by DL)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

5.2 All are welcome to participate in the study.

5.3 All who professes to be SDA members can start a study thread. But posters should check the post history first to avoid starting too many new threads on similiar topics. Mods can combine similiar threads into a single thread.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 Debating will NOT be permitted here.

How about a Advance Teacher exception:

5.6 Since this is a Seventh-day Adventist Sub-forum it is understood that:

· 1) All Bible Studies will be started and lead by designated teachers.
· 2) To be a designated teacher you must be a member in good standing of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for at least one year.
· 3) You must also have a minimum post count of 100 before applying.
· 4) Each teacher will have a one month term, with the ability for current teachers to re-apply each month if desired simply by acknowledging the sign in thread with their name.
· 5) The process of electing teachers will be simple. All interested will go to the sign in thread within the forum and fill out a short questionaire within the week prior to the month term desired. Those who have already taught in prior terms are not required to fill in the questionaire again, simply resubmit your name.
· 6) First time teachers are limited to the starting of one study thread for their first month term.
· 7) There will be up to 10 teachers elected for each term.
· 8) Any teacher violating any of the rules of this sub-forum will lose their teacher status, and their study thread will be closed.
· 9) Any teacher at sign up can apply for 'Advanced Studies only' to start and lead studies in the 'Advance Studies' section only which is excempt from re-applying each month.

​

 

[OntheDL]

DL, the idea of having select teachers is good because it prevents the forum from having too many studies going on at the same time.

Where there are too many studies going on at the same time with only a few people present to study, many studies will be left untouched, and this may prove to hurt the feelings of those that started them. They may feel like people aren't interested in what that person has to say, or share.

In fact, this already happened to me. That is why I closed my study. People just didn't seem to care. I wanted to go through the first epistle of John, and possibly the other two, verse by verse. But nobody seemed to care.

The number of threads shouldn't be limited for the fear of lack of participation.

A thread may not get alot of responses because:
1. people aren't interested in the topic.
2. people don't have anything to add or respond.

By limiting the numbers does not necessarily mean the remaining few will automatically interest people to participate. Also the lack of response is not personal. It is perhaps a hint for the poster to post something else instead.

Lastly there are alot of lurkers who don't post. So it doesn't mean your threads are not read.

 

[Sophia7]

It's just too complicated and too restrictive.

The next thing you know you can't even go to the bathroom without checking with the rules first.

Here is my proposal:

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as proposed and revised by DL)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

5.2 All are welcome to participate in the study.

5.3 All who professes to be SDA members can start a study thread. But posters should check the post history first to avoid starting too many new threads on similiar topics. Mods can combine similiar threads into a single thread.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 Debating will NOT be permitted here.

For once we agree. I think your rule proposals would be better.

 

[OntheDL]

How about a Advance Teacher exception:


5.6 Since this is a Seventh-day Adventist Sub-forum it is understood that:

· 1) All Bible Studies will be started and lead by designated teachers. ​

· 2) To be a designated teacher you must be a member in good standing of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for at least one year.​

· 3) You must also have a minimum post count of 100 before applying.​

· 4) Each teacher will have a one month term, with the ability for current teachers to re-apply each month if desired simply by acknowledging the sign in thread with their name.​

· 5) The process of electing teachers will be simple. All interested will go to the sign in thread within the forum and fill out a short questionaire within the week prior to the month term desired. Those who have already taught in prior terms are not required to fill in the questionaire again, simply resubmit your name.​

· 6) First time teachers are limited to the starting of one study thread for their first month term.​

· 7) There will be up to 10 teachers elected for each term.​

· 8) Any teacher violating any of the rules of this sub-forum will lose their teacher status, and their study thread will be closed. ​

· 9) Any teacher at sign up can apply for 'Advanced Studies only' to start and lead studies in the 'Advance Studies' section only which is excempt from re-applying each month. ​

You actually learn the subject when you teach. We should encourage anyone to lead out. By having so many rules, qualification, terms, limited numbers of threads, is counter-productive to a lively participation.

This is how the jews ended up having so many rules just for sabbath. Is their way of observing the sabbath a light or a turn-off to others.

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

You actually learn the subject when you teach. We should encourage anyone to lead out. By having so many rules, qualification, terms, limited numbers of threads, is counter-productive to a lively participation.

This is how the jews ended up having so many rules just for sabbath. Is their way of observing the sabbath a light or a turn-off to others.

I still think there should be designated teachers. I do agree the process seems to be more complicated than I'd origionally expected when I proposed this, though. I suspect that might be because I expected maybe 4 or 5 teachers being elected untill they wished to resign. Anyone else could simply vollenteer from time to time.

That way there was no ongoing, month-by-month need to evaluate people. It was just to try and keep it simple in the forum, without too many studies at once.

Keeping in mind that this is a Newbie forum..sometimes having too much information when one is new is an overload. I know for me it was. Actually, even the AF course was an overload because I'd never read a Bible.

Point being, sometimes it's nice to get grounded in a couple subjects at a time as you will better learn and remember this way. Kinda like how I try not to read more than one or 2 books of the Bible at the same time..otherwise I start thinking Moses parted the seas during the flood, for example.

The other forums are open for anyone starting studies at any time.

 

[woobadooba]

Keeping in mind that this is a Newbie forum..sometimes having too much information when one is new is an overload. I know for me it was. Actually, even the AF course was an overload because I'd never read a Bible.

Point being, sometimes it's nice to get grounded in a couple subjects at a time as you will better learn and remember this way. Kinda like how I try not to read more than one or 2 books of the Bible at the same time..otherwise I start thinking Moses parted the seas during the flood, for example.

The other forums are open for anyone starting studies at any time.

These are valid points

 

[DarylFawcett]

Here is what we have now:

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as tweaked by Woob and further tweaked by Daryl and reddogs)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists, for fellowship and learning, so that they may grow in Christ.


5.2 Even though this sub-forum is mainly for new Seventh-day Adventist Christians, it does not exclude veteran Adventists or non-SDA Christians from participating in Bible study. All are welcome to participate in ongoing Bible Studies.

5.3 The starting of threads and study topics in this sub-forum is limited to Seventh-day Adventists.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church, nor should anything that is contrary to any of those beliefs be inculcated within a Bible study. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 No debate is allowed in this forum. What this means is that if someone challenges a belief, the teacher has a right to answer his/her question. If that person persists in arguing with the teacher over the matter, then he/she will receive a warning, and his/her post will be deleted. Upon repeat occurances, such a person will no longer be able to participate in Bible study. If that person is deemed as one that is not allowed to partcipate in Bible study, but does so anyway, then he/she will receive a 2 week FSB from the SDA forum every time he/she violates this rule.

5.6 Since this is a Seventh-day Adventist Sub-forum it is understood that:

· 1) All Bible Studies will be started and lead by designated teachers.
· 2) To be a designated teacher you must be a member in good standing of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for at least one year.
· 3) You must also have a minimum post count of 100 before applying.
· 4) Each teacher will have a one month term, with the ability for current teachers to re-apply each month if desired simply by acknowledging the sign in thread with their name.
· 5) The process of electing teachers will be simple. All interested will go to the sign in thread within the forum and fill out a short questionaire within the week prior to the month term desired. Those who have already taught in prior terms are not required to fill in the questionaire again, simply resubmit your name.
· 6) First time teachers are limited to the starting of one study thread for their first month term.
· 7) There will be up to 10 teachers elected for each term.
· 8) Any teacher violating any of the rules of this sub-forum will lose their teacher status, and their study thread will be closed.
· 9) Any teacher at sign up can apply for 'Advanced Studies only' to start and lead studies in the 'Advance Studies' section only which is excempt from re-applying each month. ​

​

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (5.1 to 5.5 as proposed by DL and 5.6 as revised by Daryl and tweaked further by IntoTheCrimsonSky, Daryl, and reddogs)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

5.2 All are welcome to participate in the study.

5.3 All who professes to be SDA members can start a study thread. But posters should check the post history first to avoid starting too many new threads on similiar topics. Mods can combine similiar threads into a single thread.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 Debating will NOT be permitted here.

5.6 Since this is a Seventh-day Adventist Sub-forum it is understood that:

· 1) All Bible Studies will be started and lead by designated teachers.
· 2) To be a designated teacher you must be a member in good standing of the Seventh-day Adventist Church for at least one year.
· 3) You must also have a minimum post count of 100 before applying.
· 4) Each teacher will have a one month term, with the ability for current teachers to re-apply each month if desired simply by acknowledging the sign in thread with their name.
· 5) The process of electing teachers will be simple. All interested will go to the sign in thread within the forum and fill out a short questionaire within the week prior to the month term desired. Those who have already taught in prior terms are not required to fill in the questionaire again, simply resubmit your name.
· 6) First time teachers are limited to the starting of one study thread for their first month term.
· 7) There will be up to 10 teachers elected for each term.
· 8) Any teacher violating any of the rules of this sub-forum will lose their teacher status, and their study thread will be closed.
· 9) Any teacher at sign up can apply for 'Advanced Studies only' to start and lead studies in the 'Advance Studies' section only which is excempt from re-applying each month. ​

​

As we can't take both of these to a POLL, we need to decide which one of the two above will go to a POLL.

 

[Sophia7]

Don't ignore OntheDL's proposal:

5. New Adventist/Bible Study Sub-forum (as proposed and revised by DL)

5.1 The main goal of this sub-forum is to create a welcoming environment for new Seventh-day Adventists for fellowship and learning as they grow within the faith.

5.2 All are welcome to participate in the study.

5.3 All who professes to be SDA members can start a study thread. But posters should check the post history first to avoid starting too many new threads on similiar topics. Mods can combine similiar threads into a single thread.

5.4 Bible studies can deal with any subject that is in harmony with Scripture. However, no studies may be started that are in disagreement with any one of the 28 fundamental beliefs of the Seventh-day Adventist church. If one wishes to take exception to any of the 28 Fundamental Beliefs of the SDA church they should post in the Debate/Discussion sub-forum.

5.5 Debating will NOT be permitted here.

 

[DarylFawcett]

I have an idea.

We will take the two proposals here to a POLL in regards to 5.1 to 5.5 and do another POLL in regards to 5.6 and let the voters decide.

How does this sound?

 

[DarylFawcett]

DL's proposal is in the 2nd quote of lists that I posted, however, as DL's list didn't address the 5.6 rule, it was inserted there from previous proposals and tweaking.

 

[DarylFawcett]

By the way, HAPPY BIRTHDAY!

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

DL's proposal is in the 2nd quote of lists that I posted, however, as DL's list didn't address the 5.6 rule, it was inserted there from previous proposals and tweaking.

I think the reason DL's proposal didn't adress it was because it was not to include teachers, thusly no need for 5.6.

 

[DarylFawcett]

This is also the longest pre-poll discussion we ever had, however, we can't stay in the pre-poll discussion stage forever, which is why I am proposing the two sets of proposals covering 5.1 to 5.5 in one POLL and the 5.6 one in another POLL.

 

[Sophia7]

DL's proposal is in the 2nd quote of lists that I posted, however, as DL's list didn't address the 5.6 rule, it was inserted there from previous proposals and tweaking.

OK, I see what you're saying, but I think he meant his proposal to get rid of the complicated process of selecting teachers. Shouldn't we have an option for that in the poll?

 

[IntoTheCrimsonSky]

​

Happy Birthday Sophia! ​

 

[Sophia7]

I think the reason DL's proposal didn't adress it was because it was not to include teachers, thusly no need for 5.6.

That's right. I don't think he wants that part in the rules at all.

 

[woobadooba]

I just realized that I messed up regarding the rule about a teacher violating the rules. Somehow I overlooked the 'sub' part of 'forum'.

I thought you were referring to the SDA forum in general. My mistake.

I agree that if a teacher violates the rules of the sub-forum that that teacher should not be allowed to teach, and that the Bible study should be removed.

Sorry about the digression. My mistake.