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At Crossroads -- Cf's Vision - Poll Vote only here

CF's Vision?

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Just when I was starting to figure this new system out. :sigh:

There have been some good changes that have taken place as a result of the reforms, but there have been alot of negative changes as well. I don't want to return to exactly what we had previously, but I also don't want it to stay like it is (there has been too much compromise in certain areas). I would like to see an option 1.5 (somewhere between the two).
 
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While we're at it, let's look inside everyone's pants before they get a gender icon. Intersexed individuals need not apply, as it clearly states God only made man and woman.

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yeah seriously. Oh and about the homosexuals not being christians do tell does that mean gluttons aren't Christians? ....there both sins. Both by many aren't considered sins. Both are never even attempted to stop.....I just I don't know. The homosexuality thing making you not a christian killed it for me...it really did. The marriage thing I can understand not necessarily agree with but understand... But I don't know maybe it's just something unless you are you wouldn't understand . I think I'm leaving now. This is just too much. I know it's not meant this way but I'm starting to feel attacked. But seriously don't say things about homosexuals when you've never gone through it. You don't know the stuggle. You don't know what it's like so just don't.
 
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It makes me really sad to see Christians of all people wanting to exclude others. Its like a sick clique. This is the reason I left Christianity in the first place, and if CF changes back, I won't be returning.
 
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I cannot vote on a poll like this. I understand and respect the need for Christians to be able to discuss their faith, trials and questions in an area they feel comfortable with – for many, this would be an area with others of similar beliefs. Having said this, if I remember correctly, it was posted that the congregational forums could choose whether or not they wanted non-Christians to post in there or not.

On the other hand, I have also heard CF called a church on many occasions. Just like some churches, there have been times when we have turned away the lost and hurting because they didn’t fit our own perceptions of ‘moral Christian’ and were therefore unworthy of our time. I see the need to be able to discuss our beliefs ‘safely’, but at what cost? Will we, instead of going after the lost sheep, push them further away? Will our church songs of giving our lives over to God be words on our lips or will they be the things our hearts meditate and act on. When it comes to being the hands and feet of Christ, can we walk the walk and not just talk the talk?

I agree with the points that have been already been brought up in this thread – there are more than just these two options. I strongly disagreed with the icon witch-hunts and the policing style of moderation that was used. The extent of rule enforcement meant that we sat in our own little bubbles of red tape, not knowing where we would go, but praying that things had to change. Current popularity votes are not the way to go about things either though. Publically voting for the appointment of moderators, while a good idea in theory, has resulted in flame wars and depends on how many CF friends you have. The same is true for open reports. Yes, transparency is good, but the abuse moderators were accused of before the reforms has not vanished, it has simply shifted to some members.

In terms of wikis, I do like the idea of more membership involvement in developing the rules, but trying to keep up with the constant change and uncertainty is doing no favours for a forum trying to re-root itself.

Erwin, please reconsider the options you have presented us with. We all want to help in the formation of the forum, but with such options, it is difficult to support either one.
 
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Loki i suggest a new open forum being added for everyone equally. All the meals you want could be had there. And congregational forums and other forums would still exist also as they were before.

So I can get preached at by the Baptists and the Pentecostals and the Lutherans and the hardcore Catholics equally? So when I say that I believe in transubstantiation or call Mary the Mother of God I can be torn apart?

I take it back, switch back to the old Inquisition, but if you could leave WWMC/Liberal Catholics open, that'd be super nice.
 
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Ok, revisions then.

4. In the mission statement, make sure it says that homosexual acts are grave sin and one must repent of them in order to be Christian. If they openly admit that they're in some sort of gay relationship and aren't repentant make it apparent somehow that grave danger is involved.

8. No forced icon changes. However, it is required that one assent to the NC to have a Christian icon. If you try to spread false theology with a Christian icon it's between you and God, but if you deliberately misuse the Christian icon to spread non-Nicene theology, that is against the rules.
 
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I'll scrap that. Didn't like the things myself anyway, but I figured they were needed to make sure someone didn't try spreading non-Nicene theology with a Christian icon.
If smeone uses the wrong one for a dishonest reason , its going to be obvious to the other members anyway who do subscribe to those views and they can correct them in a debate - no need to remove an icon unless its requested.

I use the black cross because I consider myself a christian first and foremost - not a denomination anyway but i do respect congregational areas and their needs.
 
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yeah seriously. Oh and about the homosexuals not being christians do tell does that mean gluttons aren't Christians? ....there both sins. Both by many aren't considered sins. Both are never even attempted to stop.....I just I don't know. The homosexuality thing making you not a christian killed it for me...it really did. The marriage thing I can understand not necessarily agree with but understand... But I don't know maybe it's just something unless you are you wouldn't understand . I think I'm leaving now. This is just too much. I know it's not meant this way but I'm starting to feel attacked. But seriously don't say things about homosexuals when you've never gone through it. You don't know the stuggle. You don't know what it's like so just don't.

#12 - The creator of these suggestions doesn't necessarily agree with them.

As for the gluttony thing, I'm fat and I have a seeker icon. I definitely ought to keep it until I can find some victory in this struggle.

this is making me sick! god said to love your neighbors, not to exclude them!

But remember that the board will be open to all posters (but closed to some topics in some areas).
 
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Why do I feel like Option 2 should really read: "Keep the name and remain bigots."

I agree with the others who have said the best option is not in this poll. We should not have to choose between order and outreach.

We've done fairly well in this thread without the name calling. I think we should stick to that!
 
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hm...

Icon Bearing Christian A: I think the truth is x, y, and z.

Icon Bearing Christian B: Wait a minute, y doesn't square with Christian doctrine at all.

Icon Bearing Christian A: Sure it does.

Icon Bearing Christian B: No you're wrong; here's why...









I will never understand why the site needs any more remedy than that.
 
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I am all for WWMC being totally open if that is what they desire. I dont agree with the other congregational areas being totally open though because its not what most of them desire. One could always add an open forum in each congregation though also (sticky).
 
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[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]You are commanded to love others! God, your neighbors, your enemies!


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If Purist hasn't yet gotten his e-ban wish, I'll quote his usertitle (except translated): "True love doesn't approve of sin."

But you know, I'm not much of one to bring it up IRL anyway. Everyone's heard it already so why act like another blunt object? Hey, if you're ever in my area, let me know, dinner's on me (not literally, I don't like foodstuffs on my clothing).
 
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As for the gluttony thing, I'm fat and I have a seeker icon. I definitely ought to keep it until I can find some victory in this struggle.
I consider you my sister ((((((((lel)))))) as far as the gluttony thing if it helps - that and some of the others that are often take from context have their root in selfishness - taking from others. Just being overweight doesnt make one a glutton unless the person is hoarding from their family etc.. (selfishness). Lust is another like it , selfish desire - not just desire. Context is everything and i love you as you are sister.
 
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