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[Annabel Lee]

WHAT THE

It's a Shaman's Place person!

Oh my gosh, look what the cat dragged in!

 

[BelindaP]

I mean no disrespect to you by asking this but I have to ask it - did you convert to christianity because of CF policy or because of Christ? Christ died for us all and we all need His saving grace - other people arent our saviors who are in as much need of His salvation as we are and He is the only reason to be saved (convert to christianity) His example is the only example worthy. Not mine or anyone elses because even what one who is submitted to Him portrays is Him in them and not their own merits.

I think it's because he finally got a chance to SEE Christ in people instead of being confined to the ghettos where only a small fraction of the Christians ever visited.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Oh?

I saw a few people reconvert in the whole time I was a member of the old CF, but i've seen triple that in the new CF in a shorter amount of time.

 

[Angeldove97]

Because we want all the forums to ourselves No, I'm just joking. I think it's nice to have a place where it's a Catholic Hang Out (OBOB or the liberal Catholic forums which I don't know if they have it called something specific sorry), or then hop over to a theology forum to discuss things about Mary or the Sacraments with Christians, and then hop over to prayer requests for Christians. One forum won't be big enough to fit everything into it. That's why I liked how the old forums use to be set up.

 

[Loki]

Okay but even before the changes we had areas where Christians and non-Christians could discuss their spiritual needs together. Christians also deserve a place where they feel safe and sometimes that means just having a place where other Christians came come. It's not to have a secret club... its a place to talk to like-minded Sisters and Brothers about our needs.

If anything more Christians should have taken a few moments every day they come here to reach out to non-Christians. We had the forums... they just weren't used as much as they ought to.

We don't want table scraps of a few minutes of fellowship; we want to be able to sit down and share a meal together. There are already rules in place to prevent the wolves from tearing apart the weak in faith, why must we be forced to peek in the windows without being able to come in?

 

[scraparcs]

I feel like I'm deceiving people, which is something I did not want to do. Please read my profile.

I'm going to hide the cross. I've gotten a zillion rep points in the last half hour and I'm afraid to look at the comments.

I apologize.

I'm not sending bad rep comments.

My reforms, take 'em or leave 'em.

1. Return to the Nicene Creed as a foundation for icons.
2. Make a new mission statement.
3. Make it so individual threads can be CO or non-CO. When you make a thread you have to pick CO or non-CO and there is something in the title that says if it's CO or not. I hope there will be lots of non-CO threads even in Congregational forums.
4. In the mission statement, make sure it says that homosexual acts are grave sin and one must repent of them in order to be Christian. If they openly admit that they're in some sort of gay relationship and aren't repentant and have a Christian icon, give 'em one of those unorthodox candles. Basically, don't ask, don't tell.
5. Put in the mission statement that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT Christians.
6. Allow pro-life and pro-traditional marriage statements, but not the converse. Pro-choice and pro-gay bling are hereby banned.
7. Bring back consequences, but I suppose we can be a little softer here. Let's call them "alerts" and "staff notices" or something a little softer than warnings/infractions.
8. However, even in conjunction with #4, make sure to provide for pastoral care when discussing any forced icon changes and well before the decision is made. I know it works for some when it's after the change, but for the majority, pastoral care is needed before AND after.
9. Non-Christians cannot have a staff icon or access to private staff forums, but a few trusted non-Christian mod helpers can be used to organize reports and be there for consultation if needed. (Idea quite blatantly taken from justanobserver.)

I'm sure there's more but it's late.

 

[invisible trousers]

We don't want table scraps of a few minutes of fellowship; we want to be able to sit down and share a meal together. There are already rules in place to prevent the wolves from tearing apart the weak in faith, why must we be forced to peek in the windows without being able to come in?

Because asking to be treated with some respect is just too much for some christians.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

edit: whoops sorry misread the post

 

[Loki]

I'm not sending bad rep comments.

My reforms, take 'em or leave 'em.

1. Return to the Nicene Creed as a foundation for icons.
2. Make a new mission statement.
3. Make it so individual threads can be CO or non-CO. When you make a thread you have to pick CO or non-CO and there is something in the title that says if it's CO or not. I hope there will be lots of non-CO threads even in Congregational forums.
4. In the mission statement, make sure it says that homosexual acts are grave sin and one must repent of them in order to be Christian. If they openly admit that they're in some sort of gay relationship and aren't repentant and have a Christian icon, give 'em one of those unorthodox candles. Basically, don't ask, don't tell.
5. Put in the mission statement that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT Christians.
6. Allow pro-life and pro-traditional marriage statements, but not the converse. Pro-choice and pro-gay bling are hereby banned.
7. Bring back consequences, but I suppose we can be a little softer here. Let's call them "alerts" and "staff notices" or something a little softer than warnings/infractions.
8. However, even in conjunction with #4, make sure to provide for pastoral care when discussing any forced icon changes and well before the decision is made. I know it works for some when it's after the change, but for the majority, pastoral care is needed before AND after.
9. Non-Christians cannot have a staff icon or access to private staff forums, but a few trusted non-Christian mod helpers can be used to organize reports and be there for consultation if needed. (Idea quite blatantly taken from justanobserver.)

I'm sure there's more but it's late.

You forgot that marriage was defined as between one man and one woman, and you can't get the icon unless it's that.

 

[Angeldove97]

I'm not sending bad rep comments.

My reforms, take 'em or leave 'em.

1. Return to the Nicene Creed as a foundation for icons.
2. Make a new mission statement.
3. Make it so individual threads can be CO or non-CO. When you make a thread you have to pick CO or non-CO and there is something in the title that says if it's CO or not. I hope there will be lots of non-CO threads even in Congregational forums.
4. In the mission statement, make sure it says that homosexual acts are grave sin and one must repent of them in order to be Christian. If they openly admit that they're in some sort of gay relationship and aren't repentant and have a Christian icon, give 'em one of those unorthodox candles. Basically, don't ask, don't tell.
5. Put in the mission statement that Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT Christians.
6. Allow pro-life and pro-traditional marriage statements, but not the converse. Pro-choice and pro-gay bling are hereby banned.
7. Bring back consequences, but I suppose we can be a little softer here. Let's call them "alerts" and "staff notices" or something a little softer than warnings/infractions.
8. However, even in conjunction with #4, make sure to provide for pastoral care when discussing any forced icon changes and well before the decision is made. I know it works for some when it's after the change, but for the majority, pastoral care is needed before AND after.
9. Non-Christians cannot have a staff icon or access to private staff forums, but a few trusted non-Christian mod helpers can be used to organize reports and be there for consultation if needed. (Idea quite blatantly taken from justanobserver.)

I'm sure there's more but it's late.

I like those reforms.

 

[tashiseisei]

You forgot that marriage was defined as between one man and one woman, and you can't get the icon unless it's that.

While we're at it, let's look inside everyone's pants before they get a gender icon. Intersexed individuals need not apply, as it clearly states God only made man and woman.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

Anyways, people need to stop being selfish. Don't lie and say your forum you visited the most was falling apart, because most non-Christians were perfectly nice.

do you want non-Christians to see how nice and happy Christians are and try to find Christ?? Or Do you want non-Christians to feel isolated and less likely to see the light of Christ?

I'm sure God would choose the 1st one

 

[Angel4Truth]

Lel i think you might be on to something - i agree with about 80 percent of your ideas - i dont like forced icon changes though. Never have - if someone is being dishonest its on them between them and God.

 

[Angeldove97]

We don't want table scraps of a few minutes of fellowship; we want to be able to sit down and share a meal together. There are already rules in place to prevent the wolves from tearing apart the weak in faith, why must we be forced to peek in the windows without being able to come in?

Once again, that just depends on how the member is... one Christian can come in to there and provide alot of love, others just don't have any interest. Is that CF's fault? No I wouldn't think so--would I blame the Christian? Yes of course---and I know I am to blame myself as I don't spend enough time there.

But to those who are non-believers who I have spoken to and gotten to know, I think they would speak pretty well on how I treat them. At least I hope they would...

No reform, no matter what, will make a person post in a certain area and talk to certain people if they do not want to. It's not right, but it's the truth.

 

[Angeldove97]

Do you want non-Christians to feel isolated and less likely to see the light of Christ? Or do you want them to see how nice and happy Christians are and join the faith?

I'm sure god would choose the 2nd one

I didn't become a Christian because people were nice and happy. I see Christians struggle every single day of their lives---but they do it because they have true faith, they have deep set roots in Jesus Christ.

God could probably care less about what CF does---its what is in our hearts as individual members that matters.

 

[scraparcs]

You forgot that marriage was defined as between one man and one woman, and you can't get the icon unless it's that.

My liberal side is going to come out and say that you don't necessarily have to believe that, but you can't be married to someone of the same gender. It's kinda relativistic but this is a compromise.

I like those reforms.

When I started writing them it was very tongue-in-cheek. Now I'm actually seriously considering them.

Oh, and with more props -

10. The rules are written by Erwin or his ONE designate. The rules are changed by Erwin or his ONE designate. If you don't like the rules, go talk to ChrisBot about it. All the Wikis are hereby deleted and burned.

 

[Angel4Truth]

Loki i suggest a new open forum being added for everyone equally. All the meals you want could be had there. And congregational forums and other forums would still exist also as they were before.

 

[ALiberalTeen]

God could probably care less about what CF

Thank you! that seems to be what some of the people are arguing about, saying God wouldn't approve of the new CF, thanks for pointing out their bluff my dear.

 

[ZACTAK]

Good point, though I think I'm leaning more to Option 2 but definitely there should be middle ground set. (Btw, it's nice to see you around even for a little bit )

HEY! Thanks to Letalis, I am able to use my old account again! I agree there needs to be a middle ground.. and it is nice to see you too! Maybe some of this chaos can die down with another reform or something and I can return as a member.

 

[scraparcs]

While we're at it, let's look inside everyone's pants before they get a gender icon. Intersexed individuals need not apply, as it clearly states God only made man and woman.

We can't police that. I think Bill Clinton was on to something. Don't ask don't tell.

Lel i think you might be on to something - i agree with about 80 percent of your ideas - i dont like forced icon changes though. Never have - if someone is being dishonest its on them between them and God.

I'll scrap that. Didn't like the things myself anyway, but I figured they were needed to make sure someone didn't try spreading non-Nicene theology with a Christian icon.