A new CF, an old vision (4)

[Stormy]

The question is what will the faith icons mean anyway? They won't be used for posting purposes. All threads will be open to all members. What difference will the Icon make?

People are invisible enough on the web. The icon helps to identify. This place is too big to know every poster, so it could become really confusing. Suppose you have a question about your church doctrine, and you have to go through a number of answers.. not knowing which ones are false and which are true?

Also in the case of the Catholic Icon.. it speaks of my thoughts on so many CF subjects without my even saying a word. I rather like that!

 

[ContentInHim]

its satanism more specifically. do what you will but dont infringe on another persons right to do what THEY will. cosy aint it. doesnt make you a satanist starjewel. it means youre misinterpreting the CHRISTIAN views of love and tolerance. if yer beliefs actually ARE the central tenets of satanism, what does that tell ya.

Thank you for the correction. I hate touching that stuff!

 

[Angel4Truth]

Proverbs 14:12 There is a way which seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death.

 

[CaDan]

*checking in*

 

[Miracle Storm]

People are confused. Ewrin is not "promoting", he is inviting and opening the doors.

Jim I didn't say Erwin is promoting, but he will now allow "other religions, other so called gods and even no god at all" to be promoted.

That's not a Christian forum.

When this all began I was excited at the impending news. I thought the rules would be lighter and somehow there would be inventive way to unite staff with members and this site would truly be about "Uniting all Christians as One Body" I have also wanted those who considered themselves Christian to be able to post in Christian forums. I went after that in staff forums, for unorthodox Christians. But this is to far.

When I look at Erwins list I want to cry. I have had staffers coming to me crying and others who are thinking of leaving.

My friends are hurt, my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I'm happy for those who are rejoicing, but quite unsure why they are happy.
Some of the things Erwin has listed were needed. Equality with Christians and united Christians is needed.
But others are garbage and makes one wonder if he has given up, thrown in the dice and just said "whatever, let them do whatever...I don't care"

 

[JimfromOhio]

dude this aint middle ground. this is no longer a christian ministry. its a site where all people can be members and staff in all areas. for a christian forum that was TOO legalistic, that aint middle ground. thats the diamteric opposite. and it again leads us back to the question: how is this now a "ChristianForum"?

but as to the rest of yer post, yer right. ppl shouldnt be afraid. but theyre lonely and so theyre afraid. us sayin they shouldnt be dont really change that.

and the big 7/7/7 deadline and all its accoutrements was pure theatre. as is his subsequent behavior. i aint sayin that means hes a bad guy. but its bein handled badly and its fosterin distrust and confusion which then encourages the fear and arguments.

What defines a Christian ministry?

If we look at the concept of "missionary", we can understand what ministry really means.

 

[RoseofLima]

The question is what will the faith icons mean anyway? They won't be used for posting purposes. All threads will be open to all members. What difference will the Icon make?

What difference do they make now?? The only use I find is that they help me understand where someone is coming from.

I can't for the life of me understand how threatened people feel because non-Christians will be able to post everywhere Seriously, can one be so unable to talk about their faith with love and reverence that someone posting an opposing viewpoint is that threatening? Either we have the Truth or we do not- if we seek to be simple vessels of that Truth-rather than hammers of God pounding away at all that we perceive as faulty--don't you think that the peaceful Truth will draw people into the light??

We shouldn't be out to convert people, we should just be trying with a sincere heart to live the Gospel, preaching with our very lives. One of the absolute best ways to do that is is by loving and treating with reverence those who we find the least appealing and loveable. Jesus dined with sinners, touched those who were unclean, and even when he sought refuge was open to ministering to those in need.

 

[JimfromOhio]

*checking in*

Hi Dan

 

[ContentInHim]

No, it means you're misunderstanding my views

I just think that love is what's important. Someone in the Bible said that "love your neighbor as yourself" sums up the whole law, and I agree with that

This is offtopic, anyway

Nope, that's not the whole of the law. The first commandment is love the Lord, your God, with all your heart, mind, soul and strength. Allowing your neighbor to walk into perdition without at least a shout of warning is not loving them.

 

[TheBear]

This was a Christian Forum Bear, not a forum to PROMOTE the "others"

What's the difference between EXPRESSING a different point of view, and PROMOTING a different point of view? Is it in the tone? The repetition? What exactly?

The best way Erwin could accommodate you, would be to make this an exclusively Christian website.

Bear your sarcastic assumptions are ridiculous.
You a deconvert from Christianity has your own agenda on this board and it certainly is not to "Unite all Christians as One Body" or to learn anything about Christianity, but to share your own disbelief and the reasons why. Anyone who has read your posts in GA know this.

Here we go again with talk of 'agendas', and attempts at mind reading. How dramatic and over the top can we get?

I don't care who they get different view points from. As long as they are not being LIED to.

If your concern is new Christians being lied to, misinformed, exposed to foreign ideas, or whatever, then they should stay away from the internet altogether.

 

[No Swansong]

I enjoy reading the other thread that Erwin started to update. He is a strong man, holding close to his convictions. It is true when a leader makes a radical decision many will object.... it always happens in Christian ministry..... its at times like these I do not miss being a pastor's wife. Ahh, but I digress. I think he is doing a great job and has my support.

Wait is he holding strong to this years convictions or last years?

Seems to me they change like the direction of the wind.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

No, it means you're misunderstanding my views

I just think that love is what's important. Someone in the Bible said that "love your neighbor as yourself" sums up the whole law, and I agree with that

This is offtopic, anyway

like i said, ya seem like a great person mate. and yer right, love is the most important thing. first for God and then for man. but loving ppl dont mean suporting EVERYTHING. bein lovin aint the same as acceptin absolutely everythin. it just aint. satanism/wicca, etc is an affront to Him so your belief system mirrorin their CENTRAL FUNDAMENTAL tenet aint good. not cos YOU aint good, cos as i said, you come across as lovely. christians are called to love, not to support and publicly approve of stuff that will possibly mean someone sabotages their salvation. thats a big problem that will come up time and time again if this new system happens.

 

[Cassiopeia]

Now while we all may agree on liking chocolate, the filling is what matters. So if you didn't like chocolate covered cherries you wouldn't want to get stuck with an entire box, now would you?

I personally like those turtle things and can't be bothered with bonbons. So, it goes with icons. And who knows, at some point our religious beliefs change a bit, we study and find a sect that better defines our feelings. It is good we don't have to run to the moderators to have our faith icon changed, nor to have to explain WHY we want it changed. These choices are life altering and extremely personal.

The various icons also should instill in us a wonderment and thirst for understanding of other religions and not an icon that absolutely defines each of us.

I am with you Lenna, the more the merrier.

*offers her a chocolate covered cherry*

I like the many different icons, it helps me to understand that a person is coming from a Baptist perspective, a Lutheran perspective, or a Pentecostal.... what have you. The more faith icons, the merrier, I say. (I also think you shouldn't be able to hide them )

 

[JimfromOhio]

Jim I didn't say Erwin is promoting, but he will now allow "other religions, other so called gods and even no god at all" to be promoted.

That's not a Christian forum.

When this all began I was excited at the impending news. I thought the rules would be lighter and somehow there would be inventive way to unite staff with members and this site would truly be about "Uniting all Christians as One Body" I have also wanted those who considered themselves Christian to be able to post in Christian forums. I went after that in staff forums, for unorthodox Christians. But this is to far.

When I look at Erwins list I want to cry. I have had staffers coming to me crying and others who are thinking of leaving.

My friends are hurt, my brothers and sisters in Christ.
I'm happy for those who are rejoicing, but quite unsure why they are happy.
Some of the things Erwin has listed were needed. Equality with Christians and united Christians is needed.
But others are garbage and makes one wonder if he has given up, thrown in the dice and just said "whatever, let them do whatever...I don't care"

Basically, you are closing the door on them and closing out God's opportunity to reach out to them. Many people forget and often try to do their own ways circumstances happens that they never stop and think. Their human minds often see doors closing when ignoring another door opening. This is the concept of Romans 8:28-29 "And we know that God causes everything to work together for the good of those who love God and are called according to his purpose for them."

Its the legalists that loves to close the door while Christ opens the door.

 

[Yeshuasteddy]

A faithful Christian will learn and see to it that his/her anticipations conform to the revealed Word of God and he/she has nothing to doubt or fear in life or in death. The question becomes when a person say: "I am a believer in Christ" and practice what God calls it sin is where God will meet this person in the core, in the heart. This is between God and the believer. Anyone can claim to be a Christian and only God knows who are His.

never said otherwise mate

 

[JimfromOhio]

Double post

 

[JimfromOhio]

Wait is he holding strong to this years convictions or last years?

Seems to me they change like the direction of the wind.

God changes people's mind every day. That I know.

 

[JimfromOhio]

never said otherwise mate

The way I see it, you are implying as you I can see you think Erwin is implying.

 

[tulc]

tulc wanders in, wonders where the balloon he's holding came from and why he has all this confetti on him....looks over at StarJewel and sabre
tulc(thinks it's time to get this party started!)

 

[pgp_protector]

Yep.... is a busy thread. You have some catching up to do.

I left last night on roll #3, any thing major , or just the same o same o ?