Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[HisBelovedMelody]

well, now that you've challenged them...

nah, I know they don't have the answer. That is why it is ignored. Just like everything else that gets ignored because they can't answer it...anyway..good luck iwth it all!

 

[PassthePeace1]

Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
yes, it is ambigous... as it is ambigous for me to introduce my brother as just that.... I don't identify if he's my blood brother or not.... purely ambigous!

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Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
exept the precepts of Catholisism are different from rite to rite.

there is no complete unity in the Catholic church either, hence rendering the "you have so may protestant denominations" accusation both moot, and hypocritical.



maybe a FOURTH try to have this addressed will do it.

I believe I did respond to your post, several pages back...around the 700s. It might not have been to your satisfaction, but you can't always get want you want..

Peace be with you...Pam

 

[IamAdopted]

Yes but in which context. We have a syaig in spanish that is not religious and it rhimes:

Texto fuera de contexto es puro pretexto. Texta out of context is nothing but pretext.

How do you think that canon was brought to be? through tradition in the early church long before de Trent concilium, Christ followed traditions himself. Traditions by themselves are not wrong. That is what misinterpretation does, makes a mess of things!!!

Look at the context of traditions of men... Jesus said you err not knowing the scritures. The took part of the scripture and then added to it what they wanted it to say...This is what happens with tradtion of men.. They take a little bit of the truth which is scripture and then either add or take away from it..such as the PV,Queen of Heaven, This is not written in scripture.. But because of the traditions of man adding to or taking away from now it is tradition..

 

[Uphill Battle]

I believe I did respond to your post, several pages back...around the 700s. It might not have been to your satisfaction, but you can't always get want you want..

Peace be with you...Pam

I didn't overlook the response, just that it didn't actually answer anything.

And you are most right sister, you can't always get what you want.

 

[IamAdopted]

Tradition has never, disagreed with Scripture. Your interpretation is what is wrong here and somehting even worse?? Historical Context and Translation!!!!

So far Scholars and the Scripture disagree with the translation, it has nothing to do with Tradition it has to do with science and logic!!

I have to go to church and so I will return to give a few examples so that this controvery at least ends in this thread.

Thanks

Santiago

Gods word is not based on science and logic.. This is another err. For God does not speak His word through the wisdom and vain phylosophies of men.. He speaks truth.

 

[IamAdopted]

True, but there is something that is undeniable, the truth exists and you can get to know it. She may think that my eyes are violet but in truth they are blue and it doesn't have to do anything with point f view but with reality, so two things can be stablished through logic shes either mentally ill for not accepting reality or she does not care about reality and truth, the same goes for me, it just has to be proven.

Tee hee.. God takes the things of the world to confuse the wise. For truth comes out of the Mouth of our Creator.. In Him alone is truth.. For the knowledge that we need for salvation and for being sanctified comes in the Word of God. Not in mens thinking nor in mens tradtions.. For Gods Kingdom we have His word.. For the world we have all the phylosophy of men.. This is why we are told to renew our mind..

 

[Punchy]

Huh?

The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

scripture please? I don't think so. NO one mediates between me and God. NO one but Jesus.

 

[IamAdopted]

The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

The scriptures tells us that Jesus ever liveth to make intercession for us.. So if the King of all Kings and the Lord of all Lords is our intercessor then how can Mary be?

 

[Iollain]

The saints in Heaven may well be in prayer for us, but that is no excuse to call Mary 'Our Intercessor', that is taking away from Jesus who is our Intercessor........knock that doctrine back a bit would ya.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

The saints in Heaven may well be in prayer for us, but that is no excuse to call Mary 'Our Intercessor', that is taking away from Jesus who is our Intercessor........knock that doctrine back a bit would ya.

LOL, amen! Preach is sista! LOVE it..knock it back a bit, that was funny!

 

[Iollain]

Well when you have Mary with a capital 'A', Advocate, and a capital 'I' , our Intercessor, you have a problem because Jesus is our capital A and I Advocate and Intercessor.

The Holy Ghost searches us for infirmities, and Jesus prays to the Father God. for our infirmities that are found. There is not a Mary Spirit indwelling us.

 

[icedtea]

The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

Not so. Just cause someone made that up and passed it along for years, doesn't make it so.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

I don't believe that. Can I have a scriptural reference that proves this is true? I mean, you must have a scripture that backs this up, right?

 

[Axion]

Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
yes, it is ambigous... as it is ambigous for me to introduce my brother as just that.... I don't identify if he's my blood brother or not.... purely ambigous!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
exept the precepts of Catholisism are different from rite to rite.

there is no complete unity in the Catholic church either, hence rendering the "you have so may protestant denominations" accusation both moot, and hypocritical.



maybe a FOURTH try to have this addressed will do it.

No You are wrong. There is NO doctrinal division in the Catholic Church. All Catholics subscribe to the tecahing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

With Protestants however:

The differ on BASIC doctrines

Infant or Adult baptism?
Calvinist Predestination or Arminian Free Will?
Once Saved Always Saved?
Can You Lose Your Salvation?
Is there Assurance of Salvation?
Divorce
Abortion
Is prophecy still given?
Are there still Miracles?
Are miracles guaranteed if you have enough faith?
Will there be a pre-tribulation Rapture of Christians?
Premillenialism or Postmillenialism?
Will there even be a millennium?
Speaking in Tongues - is it valid or not?
Baptism in the Holy Spirit - is it real or a deception?
Are demons real?
Is Jesus physically present in Communion?
Are the Sacraments necessary to salvation?
What form of Authority should exist in the Church?
Need a Church have Bishops?
Can Women be Pastors?
Can homosexuals be admitted to Church?
Does God promise Christians material prosperity?
Should all Images be banned in Worship?
How do you become a Christian?

That's what comes from abandoning the Apostolic unity

 

[FrauleinElsa]

ok, no problem. The way you phrased it sounded like you only needed God and the Bible (GOOD things) but no fellowship! I get ya now..no worries! Bless you!.

Oh, don't worry about it. I'm sorry I left you with that impression. It's like I said, I like to keep it simple. If religion gets too complicated with too much doctrine and tradition, then it's just not for me. I like to follow the Bible. That is my only source of following Jesus. I guess that's why the Baptists and Assemblies of God seem so appealing to me.

Bless you too!

 

[icedtea]

Tradition says it. But isn't tradition supposed to agree with scripture?

 

[Iollain]

So also Origen [?-254? A.D.]: "What! do we suppose that when the apostles were offended or scandalized, the mother of our Lord was free from feeling offense? This was what Simeon prophesied, saying: `and through thine own soul the pointed sword of unbelief shall pierce, and thou shalt be struck with the sharp edge of doubt.'" [sources for unidentified quotes are being sought] Basil thus paraphrased the same passage: "Yet, after all, there shall arise a certain wondering, even in thine own soul." [] "Even thee, also, who hast been instructed from above in the things of the Lord, some doubts shall darken." []

When St. Hilary [315-367 A.D.] was asked by a brother bishop the meaning of the text, he replied: "The sword which pierced her soul was disbelief, which smote her at the time of Christ's passion." [] Chrysostom, mentioning the miracle at Cana in Galilee, says: "Not even did all the apostles know Him as He ought to have been known. Not even His mother or His brothers knew him." Again: "Why do I speak of many, whereas not even the virgin who conceived him knew the ineffable mystery; not even His brothers believed on Him." Further: "Now we see the foolish arrogance, of both her and of them."

I'd say this tradition agrees with scripture

 

[DrBubbaLove]

Originally Posted by Iollain
The saints in Heaven may well be in prayer for us, but that is no excuse to call Mary 'Our Intercessor', that is taking away from Jesus who is our Intercessor........knock that doctrine back a bit would ya.

LOL, amen! Preach is sista! LOVE it..knock it back a bit, that was funny!

so when you all ask someone to pray for you, do you also see that as taking away from Jesus?

 

[Iollain]

so when you all ask someone to pray for you, do you also see that as taking away from Jesus?

Has nothing to do with the capital I and A in Intercessor and Advocate.