Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[CaliforniaJosiah]

No You are wrong. There is NO doctrinal division in the Catholic Church. All Catholics subscribe to the tecahing in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

Well, not OFFICIALLY....


Frankly, I experienced far MORE division and diversity of views in my Catholic parish than in any Protestant congregation to which I've been a part.


But, I think if you OFFICIALLY compared the teachings of the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod with the OFFICIALLY beliefs of her members, you'd see a strong affirmation there and little division.


IMHO, I disagree that there's any compelling point to be made about "unity" if the offical members of a denomination publicly state that they agree with the offical teachings of their denomination as they are required to do in order to be considered official members. One can't be an official member of the RC denomination unless one states that they officially accept whatever the RC denomination says they must. So, saying they do ain't saying much. The same is true for most denominations - not just the Catholic one.

While some denominations (for example, the United Methodist Church in the USA) OFFICIALLY allows members to official disagree with the denomination's official teachingts, that's unusual among Christian denominations. Most are like the Catholic one - OFFICIALLY anyway, everyone OFFICIALLY agrees with what the denomination had decided they must OFFICIALLY agree with.


I think your statement is considerably less relevant and compelling than you seem to suggest.



My $0.01


Pax!


- Josiah

 

[IamAdopted]

so when you all ask someone to pray for you, do you also see that as taking away from Jesus?

We ask those here on earth to pray for us for Jesus said that if we agree as touching anything on earth it shall be done for us by Our Father who is in heaven...

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Originally Posted by Punchy
The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

I don't believe that. Can I have a scriptural reference that proves this is true? I mean, you must have a scripture that backs this up, right?

I still want a scriptural basis for this belief. Something that I can look up for myself. Don't take any offense to this but think of me as atheist. Prove it to me.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I saw something quite disturbing on the front page of our paper. It says about the Ark coming to a certain school/parish. That was fine....THEN I looked at the picture...and WHOSE face was on the FRONT of the Ark?? MARY! NOW, friends...mary was NOT in existance when they BUILT the Ark of the Covenant. I have a HUGE problem with this. ANd people say they don't worship Mary...mhm!! I am not convinced....at least, not any more. I almost was.

 

[sunlover1]

The saints in Heaven may well be in prayer for us, but that is no excuse to call Mary 'Our Intercessor', that is taking away from Jesus who is our Intercessor........knock that doctrine back a bit would ya.

Right, taking away from Jesus.
That's it in a nutshell.

Sort of like Romans 1
but not completely because they don't worship mary.
Well, some do maybe but not all I'm sure.

Romans 1:25
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever.

I still don't see mary as my source.

sunlover

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I do not ask the deceased saints in heaven to pray for me. Asking friends on earth to pray for me does NOT take away from Jesus at all. It puts HIM in the center where He belongs. Jesus did not tell us to ask the departed to pray for us. NO where. The righteous fervrant prayer is referring to the living people..not deceased. Lets keep it in context.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I saw something quite disturbing on the front page of our paper. It says about the Ark coming to a certain school/parish. That was fine....THEN I looked at the picture...and WHOSE face was on the FRONT of the Ark?? MARY! NOW, friends...mary was NOT in existance when they BUILT the Ark of the Covenant. I have a HUGE problem with this. ANd people say they don't worship Mary...mhm!! I am not convinced....at least, not any more. I almost was.

Hmmm...I never was. I'm sorry, but it's true. I can't lie and say something that I don't stand by. If pressed I'd give my real feelings about the C.C. but I won't. It would be called "flaming". But let me just say that I don't feel that the C.C. is my path to heaven. People are free to read that any way they want, just know that it's not my intention to insult. I wouldn't do that. These are my personal feelings and I stand by them. I am an honest person and I can't lie and feel good about it.

 

[IamAdopted]

Originally Posted by Punchy
The Virgin Mary is our Intercessor, she constantly prays for the salvation of our souls.

Why would she be praying for saved souls? When we are purchased by the blood of Jesus and born again we are saved souls.. For Christ is able to save us completely as scripture says...We are saved.. We have been delivered from the wrath of God purchased with His blood..We are now the redeemed of the Lord..

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I saw something quite disturbing on the front page of our paper. It says about the Ark coming to a certain school/parish. That was fine....THEN I looked at the picture...and WHOSE face was on the FRONT of the Ark?? MARY! NOW, friends...mary was NOT in existance when they BUILT the Ark of the Covenant. I have a HUGE problem with this. ANd people say they don't worship Mary...mhm!! I am not convinced....at least, not any more. I almost was.

Also, that is disturbing. Can you send me a picture of that? I'd like to see it myself, if that's all right. PM me or you can e-mail. I'll give you my e-mail addy if you'd like, but in a PM.

 

[IamAdopted]

Also, that is disturbing. Can you send me a picture of that? I'd like to see it myself, if that's all right. PM me or you can e-mail. I'll give you my e-mail addy if you'd like, but in a PM.

They err not knowing the scriptures..

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Also, that is disturbing. Can you send me a picture of that? I'd like to see it myself, if that's all right. PM me or you can e-mail. I'll give you my e-mail addy if you'd like, but in a PM.

give me a couple of minutes, and I will post it...

 

[FrauleinElsa]

They err not knowing the scriptures..

True.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

give me a couple of minutes, and I will post it...

Okie dokie smokie. Sounds good to me.

 

[lionroar0]

I saw something quite disturbing on the front page of our paper. It says about the Ark coming to a certain school/parish. That was fine....THEN I looked at the picture...and WHOSE face was on the FRONT of the Ark?? MARY! NOW, friends...mary was NOT in existance when they BUILT the Ark of the Covenant. I have a HUGE problem with this. ANd people say they don't worship Mary...mhm!! I am not convinced....at least, not any more. I almost was.

Mary is the Ark of the new convanent.

They err not knowing the scriptures..

We know them quote well. We put them together in the BIble an dhave been studying them from the most part of 2000yrs.

2 Samuel 6:9
David was afraid of the LORD that day and said, "How can the ark of the LORD ever come to me?"

Luke 1

43"And how has it happened to me, that the mother of (AY)my Lord would come to me?

Peace

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

having technical difficulties...hang on! LOL

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

That is SO wrong and twisting of the Word. Mary was NOT around in Samuels time...and to stretch it to say what you want it to is wrong. The Ark is about Jesus, NOT Mary..and her face painted on the side...how insulting.

 

[icedtea]

All this makes it seem like they really do worship her, but don't want to admit it.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Mary is the Ark of the new convanent.

Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant? I don't think so.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

All this makes it seem like they really do worship her, but don't want to admit it.

I'd have to concur. Sorry, but I have my personal beliefs and I won't abandon them.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

I can't get the picture here. Sorry, but it is a nice wooden ark....and Mary's face front and center. Now tell me...you don't worship her? Sorry, that sealed it in my head. Some of you had me almost convinced otherwise...but...sorry.