Is Mary a source of Holiness?

[LittleLambofJesus]

Ok I agree, really didn't know that is good to know!! Thanks But what is your point here?

Santiago

I also like to look at the number of times a certain word is used and curiously the same number of times this greek word for "sanctuary" is used is how long the Jews told Jesus it took to build.

naos (Strong's 3485) occurs 46 times in 40 verses:

(Young) Matthew 27:51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,

(Young) John 2:20 The Jews, therefore, said, `Forty and six years was this sanctuary building, and wilt thou in three days raise it up?'

 

[santiagoamr]

Because of your first sentence. You don't think what we (Protestants) believe is based in truth. That right there. . I am saddened by all of this. Why can't we agree to disagree. If it's truth you want I'll end with this:

That which fascinates us is by definition true. Speaking metaphorically of course.

P.S. Just because we don't share the same views does not mean we Protestants don't have the truth. No denomination has jurisdiction over the truth.
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That is your point of view but reality is that Truth as I said is not interpretative it is Proven, so far Protestants have proof on a lot of things but this things are the same that we Catholics believe, I never said that Protestants as a ewhole do not know what trruth is, just some. Now Truth can really come out from a debate and this is what I am trying to accomplish, this you think is rude on my part because I am stating a few facts.

Sorry but I can't agree with you, that deos not make me riight or wrong, and it does not make me rude. I resent that you keep trying to make me feel bad or look rude. Truth can't be rude it may be uncumftrable.

Thanks

Santiago

 

[santiagoamr]

I also like to look at the number of times a certain word is used and curiously the same number of times this greek word for "sanctuary" is used is how long the Jews told Jesus it took to build.

naos (Strong's 3485) occurs 46 times in 40 verses:

(Young) Matthew 27:51 and lo, the vail of the sanctuary was rent in two from top unto bottom, and the earth did quake, and the rocks were rent,

(Young) John 2:20 The Jews, therefore, said, `Forty and six years was this sanctuary building, and wilt thou in three days raise it up?'

Something else I didn't know. Thanks again .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
I also like to look at the number of times a certain word is used and curiously the same number of times this greek word for "sanctuary" is used is how long the Jews told Jesus it took to build.

naos (Strong's 3485) occurs 46 times in 40 verses:

Something else I didn't know. Thanks again .

The word for "resurrection" is used 42 times in 40 verses which is used in Revelation 11:2 and 13:5 concerning the "trampling" of the Holy City.

anastasis (Strong's 386) occurs 42 times in 40 verses:

 

[FrauleinElsa]

I resent that you keep trying to make me feel bad or look rude. Truth can't be rude it may be uncumftrable.

Thanks

Santiago

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way .I have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion it sounds like deflecting. I guess it is true what I've heard. That Catholics think Protestant have the truth only in part . Plus I was only speaking metaphorically. Let me ask. Aren't you sad by all of this bickering? It makes me sad. Can't we just get along?

 

[santiagoamr]

Well, I'm sorry you feel that way .I have no idea what you're talking about. In my opinion it sounds like deflecting. I guess it is true what I've heard. That Catholics think Protestant have the truth only in part . Plus I was only speaking metaphorically. Let me ask. Aren't you sad by all of this bickering? It makes me sad. Can't we just get along?

Sure, I believe in love emananting from God. Discussion doesn't have to do anything with getting along, unless you take it personal.

Santiago

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Can I ask? Why are discussing something that is off topic anyway? Arguing over Catholicism vs. Protestantism isn't what this thread was about originally.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Sure, I believe in love emananting from God. Discussion doesn't have to do anything with getting along, unless you take it personal.

Santiago

All righty.

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Sure, I believe in love emananting from God. Discussion doesn't have to do anything with getting along, unless you take it personal.

Santiago

It still makes me sad that we can't get along tho .

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

It still makes me sad that we can't get along tho .

(Young) Matthew 10:34 `Ye may not suppose that I came to put peace on the land; I did not come to put peace, but a sword;

Reve 6:4 and there went forth another horse--fiery red, and to him who is sitting upon it, there was given to him to take the peace from the land, and that one another they may slay, and there was given to him a great sword.

 

[santiagoamr]

It still makes me sad that we can't get along tho .

Really I like you, I get along.

Sincerely

Santiago

 

[FrauleinElsa]

Really I like you, I get along.

Sincerely

Santiago

Well, good !

 

[Punchy]

In the liturgy, we pray, "O Blessed Theotokos, save us!"

 

[FrauleinElsa]

In the liturgy, we pray, "O Blessed Theotokos, save us!"

Huh?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

In the liturgy, we pray, "O Blessed Theotokos, save us!"

(Young) Acts 2:21 and it shall be, every one--whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.

(Young) Romans 10:13 for every one--whoever shall call upon the name of the Lord, he shall be saved.'

Revelation 14:1 And I saw, and lo, a Lamb having stood upon the mount Sion, and with him an hundred forty-four thousands, having the name of his Father written upon their foreheads;

 

[Uphill Battle]

Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
yes, it is ambigous... as it is ambigous for me to introduce my brother as just that.... I don't identify if he's my blood brother or not.... purely ambigous!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
exept the precepts of Catholisism are different from rite to rite.

there is no complete unity in the Catholic church either, hence rendering the "you have so may protestant denominations" accusation both moot, and hypocritical.



maybe a FOURTH try to have this addressed will do it.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Huh? Of course I go to church. I don't count that as tradition tho. Neither do I count Baptism and Communion. Tradition, to me is something else. Things like if Mary died a virgin and all that. Granted, I haven't found a church yet. But I'm still looking for one. So, don't worry I do go to church. Thank you for your concern.

ok, no problem. The way you phrased it sounded like you only needed God and the Bible (GOOD things) but no fellowship! I get ya now..no worries! Bless you!.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Exactly what does the scripture say? I think Calvin and Luther said it best than you and I.

NOW you admit men say things better than scripture. GEe..we said that a few posts back. You are the one that said 'tradtion' and the Word always lined up. NO, the Word says it best friend...Luthar and Martin were men with OPINIONS.

 

[HisBelovedMelody]

Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
yes, it is ambigous... as it is ambigous for me to introduce my brother as just that.... I don't identify if he's my blood brother or not.... purely ambigous!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Uphill Battle
exept the precepts of Catholisism are different from rite to rite.

there is no complete unity in the Catholic church either, hence rendering the "you have so may protestant denominations" accusation both moot, and hypocritical.



maybe a FOURTH try to have this addressed will do it.

I really hope you aren't holding your breath! You realize that is being ignored? And because they don't have the answer to it?

 

[Uphill Battle]

I really hope you aren't holding your breath! You realize that is being ignored? And because they don't have the answer to it?

well, now that you've challenged them...