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Everything you need to know about Pentecost

This weekend, the Church celebrates Pentecost, one of the most important feast days of the year, which concludes the Easter season and celebrates the birth of the Church.

Here’s what you need to know about the feast day.

Pentecost always occurs 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus and 10 days after his ascension into heaven. Because Easter is a moveable feast without a fixed date and Pentecost depends on the timing of Easter, Pentecost can fall anywhere between May 10 and June 13.

The timing of these feasts is also where Catholics get the concept of the novena — nine days of prayer — because in Acts 1, Mary and the apostles prayed together “continuously” for nine days after the Ascension leading up to Pentecost. Traditionally, the Church prays the novena to the Holy Spirit in the days before Pentecost.

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Was Lot righteous?

Genesis 13:

13 But the men of Sodom were wicked, sinning greatly against the LORD.
NIV, 2 Peter 2:

6 if he condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah by burning them to ashes, and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodly; 7 and if he rescued Lot, a righteous man, who was distressed by the depraved conduct of the lawless
Strong's Greek: 1342. δίκαιος (dikaios) — 80 Occurrences

The people of Sodom and Gomorrah were ungodly. In contrast, Lot was righteous. H1342 was often used in the legal sense, i.e., Lot followed the LORD's law; his neighbors didn't.

8 (for that righteous man, living among them day after day, was tormented in his righteous soul by the lawless deeds he saw and heard).
  1. In the OT, Lot was righteous in the legal sense that he observed God's law compared to his neighbors.
  2. In the NT, Peter considered Lot righteous in the general sense because God chose not to count Lot's sins against him.
2 Corinthians 5:

19 God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation.

$320 Million pier in Gaza

Why Did the US Spend $320 Million on a Rube Goldberg Pier For Gaza?

For some relief and a future beachhead.

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Helicopter Carrying Iran’s President Has Crashed

Rescuers are trying to locate the helicopter on which President Ebrahim Raisi and Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian were traveling, state media reported. Their status is unknown.

Ebrahim Raisi, 63, a hard-line religious cleric, was elected president of Iran in 2021. In his tenure as president, he has overseen a strategy to expand his country’s regional influence — backing militant proxies across the Middle East, expediting the country’s nuclear program and bringing the country to the brink of war with Israel.

Videos airing on Iranian state television show rescue teams driving along mountain roads in very thick fog and teams walking on green hills wearing the red and white vests of emergency teams. Rescue dogs are also being dispatched, according to state media.

Everything you need to know about Pentecost

This weekend, the Church celebrates Pentecost, one of the most important feast days of the year, which concludes the Easter season and celebrates the birth of the Church.

Here’s what you need to know about the feast day.

Pentecost always occurs 50 days after the resurrection of Jesus and 10 days after his ascension into heaven. Because Easter is a moveable feast without a fixed date and Pentecost depends on the timing of Easter, Pentecost can fall anywhere between May 10 and June 13.

The timing of these feasts is also where Catholics get the concept of the novena — nine days of prayer — because in Acts 1, Mary and the apostles prayed together “continuously” for nine days after the Ascension leading up to Pentecost. Traditionally, the Church prays the novena to the Holy Spirit in the days before Pentecost.

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The sun was struck dumb and did not set for about a whole day

Joshua prayed in 10:

12 At that time Joshua spoke to the LORD in the day when the LORD gave the Amorites over to the sons of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel,
“Sun, stand still at Gibeon, and moon, in the Valley of Aijalon.” 13 And the sun stood still [H1826],
Strong's Hebrew: 1826. דָּמַם (damam) — 30 Occurrences

Brown-Driver-Briggs:
3. be struck dumb, astounded, in amazement and fear

and the moon stopped [H5975], until the nation took vengeance on their enemies.
How was this possible physically?

It was not possible physically. It was a supernatural event.

How to explain this miracle from a scientific perspective?

The Bible did not explain, and Joshua used poetic language, not a scientific one. It was a sustained miracle similar to the parting of the Red Sea but at an astronomical scale. God created the heavens and earth in the first place. Nothing was too difficult for him.

Is this not written in the Book of Jashar? The sun stopped [H5975] in the midst of heaven and did not hurry to set for about a whole day.
Gill commented:

In the Chinese history (g) it is reported, that in the time of their seventh, emperor, Yao [堯帝], the sun did not set for ten days, and that men were afraid the world would be burnt, and there were great fires at that time; and though the time of the sun's standing still is enlarged beyond the bounds of truth, yet it seems to refer to this fact, and was manifestly about the same time; for this miracle was wrought in the year of the world 2554, which fell in the seventy fifth, or, as some say, the sixty seventh year of that emperor's reign, who reigned ninety years.
(g) Martin. Sinie. Histor. l. 1. p. 25.

What is the Holy Spirit like?

Sunday, May 19, is Pentecost Sunday, and the Mass readings — Acts 2:1-11; Psalm 104:1, 24, 29-31, 34; 1 Corinthians 12:3-7, 12-13; and John 20:19-23 present a number of symbols of the Holy Spirit: strong, driving wind; tongues of fire; races united; and breath of Jesus on the apostles.

The Holy Spirit is like a strong driving wind, because the Holy Spirit has a clear direction and wants to take everyone there with it. A wind is an unseen force that refreshes; so is the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit is a tongue of fire; not a wildfire that destroys, not a stationary fire that we have to huddle next to, but a fire bestowed on us, which transforms what it touches.

The Holy Spirit unites people and breaks down barriers. When St. Peter speaks after receiving the Holy Spirit, he speaks with boldness, decisiveness, but also attractiveness, drawing many to the faith. He doesn’t condemn, insult, and disperse the people because of their weakness; he challenges them and calls them to greatness, each in his or her own language.

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Spiritual gifts are for today as scripture shows those who say they are ceased are not accurate.

What do you think the word "perfect" refers to?

consider these things and hopefully you will agree with the truth here,

"But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known." (1 Cor 13:10-12)

To "know" here means -ἐπιγινώσκω epiginṓskō, ep-ig-in-oce'-ko; from G1909 and G1097; to know upon some mark, i.e. recognize; by implication, to become fully acquainted with, to acknowledge:—(ac-, have, take)know(-ledge, well), perceive.

and compare with this similar section

"That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11 If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead. 12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus." ( Philippians 3:10-12).

to "apprehend" here means - καταλαμβάνω katalambánō, kat-al-am-ban'-o; from G2596 and G2983; to take eagerly, i.e. seize, possess, etc. (literally or figuratively):—apprehend, attain, come upon, comprehend, find, obtain, perceive, (over-)take.

Paul is clearly in both cases referring to being perfect and the resurrection of the dead, when he gets a glorified body and when he shall see Christ face to face. And be "known, and "apprehended" same general meaning, as he is also known and apprehended. The similarity is very strong in these two sections. So the gifts have not ceased and that which is perfect does not refer to the holy scriptures. They already had the holy scriptures OT that were able to make them wise unto salvation through faith and to make them perfect unto every good work 2 Timothy 3.

A (possibly THE) key to understanding this pontificate

I was greatly helped in understanding Francis in a deeper and (more) reasoned way by the confluence of three papers, which I'll suggest:
1) Pope Benedict XVI's (1st) encyclical Deus Caritas Est, on the (developing) human embrace of Love,
2) the latest Vatican document (DDF's) on apparitions,
as one example, (NORMS FOR PROCEEDING IN THE DISCERNMENT OF ALLEGED SUPERNATURAL PHENOMENA, English Trans.)
3) Dr. R. Moynihan's (Inside the Vatican) Letter #13, Friday, May 17 (edited to add link - it is now online) - I'll copy here this relevant part, emphasis added by me)
Letter #13, 2024, Friday, May 17: Apparitions
Cardinal Victor Fernandez, 62, today presented a new Vatican document on how apparitions and visions — like the apparitions of La Salette, Fatima and Lourdes — should be studied and evaluated by the Church.
Point 1: The essential point of this reformed procedure seems to be that the Church will no longer publicly affirm that any phenomenon of this type is of "supernatural" origin.
In the past, the Church would study a phenomenon and say either that it was:
— not of supernatural origin, or
— that it could not be determined whether or not it was of supernatural origin, or
— that it was of supernatural origin, and so, worthy of belief
Still, even if the Church sometimes did judge that there was something "supernatural" about an apparition, no such phenomenon has ever been proposed to the faithful as a point of faith they are required to believe.
Now, under the new rules, the highest level of approval that will be granted to any such phenomenon is "nihil obstat," that there is "nothing standing in the way," or "nothing blocking" or "nothing impeding" belief in the vision or apparition as an authentic encounter with Christ, with the Holy Spirit, or with the Virgin Mary, or with some other saint or prophet from Church history or from salvation history.
The Church will not say "this apparition is of supernatural origin" but rather "there is nothing standing in the way" of believing that the apparition or vision has a supernatural origin, and so, may be — may be — taken as an authentic and holy spiritual message to be taken into account by all the faithful.
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Point 2: The second point is that the authority of the Holy See, procedurally, is strengthened, and the authority of the local bishop weakened.
Under the new rules, the Holy See will always be involved in whatever study and evaluation is made bu any such spiritual phenomena.
Thus, Rome will henceforth have an even tighter control over approving or disapproving of popular devotion developing around such phenomena.
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Point 3: Third, a curious point.
In his introduction to the new procedures at today's press conference, Fernandez mentioned, as a negative example to be avoided, the thought and writing of the French theologian, Pasquier Quesnel (1634-1719).
Who?
Pasquier Quesnel — a brilliant theologian from more than 300 years ago who strongly supported the thought of Cornelius Jansen (1585-1638), after whom the Jansenist heresy took its name.
Jansen was a great critic of the Jesuits, for their alleged moral laxity.
And Jansen's thought was condemned by the Church as heretical.
What did it mean that Fernandez spoke about Quesnel at today's press conference?
What's it all about?
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The fight against "Jansenism" as a key to this pontificate
Well, for some time, a number of Catholic observers of this pontificate have said that a key to the pontificate of Pope Francis is to realize that he is persuaded that there is among the traditionalist Catholics a spirit reminiscent of... Jansenism.(!)
A representative article on this topic appeared on August 22, 2014, almost 10 years ago now, written by Michael Sean Winters of the National Catholic Reporter. (link, and see link)
Winters was reacting to an article by Damian Thompson of The Spectator in which Thompson had argued that Francis was ignorant of the situation of the Catholic Church in the English-speaking world, blinded by his Latin American experience.
Thompson had written: "'The Pope is hungry to spread the Gospel and in Latin America he sees that being done most effectively by left-wing priests in the slums,' says a Vatican insider. ‘What he doesn’t realise is that in North America and other English-speaking countries, it’s the conservatives who have fire in their bellies, who evangelise, often with minimal encouragement from their bishops.’ And no one is likely to explain it to him."
And Winters responded, bringing in a reference to Jansenism:
"It is surely the case that there is a kind of conservative Catholic in the English-speaking world with fire in the belly. But, here is where Thompson’s analytical skills fail him. Having identified the Pope’s being a Jesuit as a key to understanding the man, Thompson fails to see that the Holy Father, above all, is engaged in an old struggle for the Society of Jesus: He is confronting the Jansenists of our day (emphasis added), the very same conservative Catholics in the English-speaking world whom Thompson thinks have the fire of the Gospel in their bellies. It is not the Gospel, but a hyper-moralistic concern against spiritual contagion that animates the conservatives Thompson champions. And, quite clearly, this is not what animates Pope Francis."
And the fact that Fernandez today publicly cited Quesnel, one of Jansen's strongest colleagues and supporters, as someone who — like certain modern visionaries(!) — "narrowed the Gospel down" (in Fernandez' words) to a rather "rigorist" and "faith and prayer-centered" (as opposed to charitable action-centered) spiritual life, seems to give us a glimpse into the mental world of both Francis and Fernandez.
We may imagine Fernandez and Francis talking, in a recent conversation in the Vatican, about the possible dangers of seers and visionaries who inspire people to renew an intensive life of prayer, but not so much to work on behalf of the poor, as a recrudescence of... Jansenism.
Hence — one might argue — Fernandez' mention today of Quesnel.
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What did the Jansenists believe?
According to the custom adopted by the humanists of the Renaissance, Cornelius Jansen Latinized his name to Cornelius Jansenius. His teacher, Jacques Janson, taught the doctrine of the theologian Michael Baius (Michel de Bay), who had died at Leuven in 1589.
According to the latter, humans are affected from birth by the sin of Adam.
Human instincts lead necessarily to evil.
An individual can be saved only by the grace of Christ, accorded to a small number of the elect who have been chosen in advance and destined to enter the Kingdom of Heaven.
This doctrine, inspired by certain writings of St. Augustine, attracted Jansen and another student who had come to study at Leuven, a Frenchman named Jean Duvergier de Hauranne, who was to become a leader of the Jansenist movement. The two young men became friends in Paris, where Jansen went in 1604. They decided to revive theology, which they believed the theologians of the Sorbonne had reduced to subtle and vain discussions among Scholastics. Jansen and Duvergier thought that it was necessary to render to God the homage owed by humanity and that the pride of the Renaissance savants had alienated Christians from the Jesus who loved the simple and the humble.
Quesnel was a brilliant French priest and spiritual writer from a prominent French noble family. In 1657, he joined the French Oratory, a religious society of secular priests, and was ordained in 1659.
However, his Jansenist sympathies led to his banishment from Paris in 1681, and three years later he was expelled from the Oratory for refusing to accept its anti-Jansenist decrees.
Quesnel's essential outlook may he summarized in the thesis of "the double contrary love."
Quesnel wrote (and in what follows I have added the italics for emphasis):
"There are only two loves, from which all our volitions and all our actions spring: the love of God (charity properly so called) which refers everything to God and which God rewards; and the love of self and of the world, which is evil as it does not refer to God what should be referred to Him" (prop. 44).
Quesnel believed that all repentance which does not arise from pure charity was useless, for "fear restrains only the hands; the heart remains attached to sin, as long as it is not led by the love of justice" (prop. 61); and "he who refrains from evil only through fear of punishment has already sinned in his heart" (prop. 62).
In other words, there was a "totalizing" aspect to Quesnel's thought which diminished to insignificance the sincere but inevitably imperfect attempts of men and women to move toward holiness, saying that only God's grace could accomplish what our fallenness could not begin to achieve.
This led in some to a sense of fatality and despair in the search for the moral perfection of holiness.
In his 2014 article, Winters wrote: "The Jansenists of our day, like their predecessors, and like the Donatists before them, see the essence of Christian life in preserving their own moral purity. It is easy to see how this concern can lead to a spiritual pride — 'I thank thee God that I am not like other men' — and has proven ill-suited to attracting converts to the faith. Of course, every Christian should be concerned about their spiritual purity, but the essence of the Gospel lies elsewhere.(!?!)
On September 14, 2014, Joseph Shaw, head of the Latin Mass society in England, responded to Winters (link):
"The Jansenists were an 18th century group of Catholics, eventually condemned by the Pope, and who eventually formed a schismatic Church in the Netherlands, characterised by a kind of crypto-Calvinism. This manifested itself in the rejection of free will and the notion of cooperation with grace, on which subject they quickly became locked in a ferocious pamphlet war with the Jesuits. The Jansenists included some brilliant polemicists, notably recruiting Blaise Pascal to their cause. The notion of unscrupulous Jesuits working out how to avoid the moral law owes more to these guys than to English or German Protestant polemicists of the 16th and 17th century.
"The attack on Jesuit 'laxism,' which fitted in so well with earlier critiques of Catholic laxity by Protestants, was only part of their schtick, however. Their biggest effect on the Church has been their attack on popular devotions and the liturgical tradition. In this they were taken up by Enlightenment rulers in various places, notably the Habsburg Grand Duke of Tuscany who called the (false) Synod of Pistoia. This called for a radically simplified liturgy, said aloud, in the vernacular. Other Jansenists wanted to increase the amount of dialogue in the liturgy, getting the people to respond 'Amen' at the end of each prayer of the Canon."
In other words, for Shaw, the Jansenists had nothing in common with the modern Catholics who wish to hold fast to the old Mass and the tradition of the Church.
In 1712 in Rome, the Holy Office of the Inquisition began to prepare a papal bull to condemn the Jansenists. The result was the famous Bull Unigenitus Dei Filius at Rome on September 8, 1713. (What follows is drawn from a Catholic Encyclopedia article on Unigenitus, link.)
"The Bull begins with the warning of Christ against false prophets, especially such as 'secretly spread evil doctrines under the guise of piety and introduce ruinous sects under the image of sanctity'; then it proceeds to the condemnation of 101 propositions which are taken verbatim from the last edition of Quesnel's chief work. The propositions are condemned respectively as 'False, captious, ill-sounding, offensive to pious ears, scandalous, pernicious, rash, injurious to the Church and its practices, contumelious to Church and State, seditious, impious, blasphemous, suspected and savouring of heresy, favouring heretics, heresy, and schism, erroneous, bordering on heresy, often condemned, heretical, and reviving various heresies, especially those contained in the famous propositions of Jansenius.'
"The first 43 propositions repeat the errors of Baius and Jansenius on grace and predestination, such as: grace works with omnipotence and is irresistible; without grace man can only commit sin; Christ died for the elect only... The last 30 propositions (72-101) deal with the Church, its discipline, and the sacraments: the Church comprises only the just and the elect; the reading of the Bible is binding on all; sacramental absolution should be postponed till after satisfaction; the chief pastors can exercise the Church's power of excommunication only with the consent, at least presumed, of the whole body of the Church; unjust excommunication does not exclude the excommunicated from union with the Church. (link)
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Summing up
Fernandez today at the press conference said that Quesnal had distorted the content of the Gospel teaching on salvation, limiting it to "faith and prayer," adding that Jesus in the Gospels and Paul in his Epistles taught that Christian faith was characterized, not by the "religious" activity of "faith and prayer" but by "love of God and of one's neighbor."
Fernandez suggested that many apparitions and visions seem to lead people to view their faith as something to cling to, in prayer, and to de-emphasize the need to "love one's neighbor."
Just as Quesnel needed to be corrected, so bishops [today] must be vigilant to correct the alleged messages received in apparitions and visions, Fernandez said.
This gives a certain context to the reason this reform was made now, at this moment in this pontificate.
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This, taken together, helped me greatly to "understand" at one level Francis-and-Fernandez, and Jesuits in general in many cases, and the radical iced-water-in-the-face shock this pontificate has been and continues to be, to many today. Benedict's (1st) encyclical DCE was, I believe, in prophetic anticipation of the shock to come in the Church, with Francis. All this contention, between Caritas centered toward the Interior - in personal prayer and ecclesial worship - and that focused on outward action - personal and social - toward "neighbor" especially the material poor, has been simmering since before Jansenism and South American liberation theology, but I believe it has come to a head today. Today, in a time that allows/invites globalism to advance as well, is particularly dangerous for the Church and the world.

John MacArthur - Providing the Good Ground

Nice to see John MacArthur remaining true to his calling. In addressing the sloppiness of today's Christian MacArthur dives in the parable...

3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold. - Matthew 13

The Wayside
The Stony Places
The Thorns
The Good Ground

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Who Decides - God or Us?

For the past 10 years, I have been meeting persons who have the view that you do not have to take things in the Bible literally. They have the view that you get to decide if it's literal or not, and in most cases, people take almost everything in the Bible symbolic, from Genesis through to Revelation.

Is this righteous, or godly, and is it acceptable to God? Who decides if an account is literal of symbolic? God's word, or us?
2 Timothy 3:16, 17
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

According to scripture, it is God who decides, and any of us who thinks differently, is not allowing ourselves to be corrected, and trained in righteousness, to be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
It's as bad as it sounds, so we want to take it seriously.

Let's consider, a few examples where persons have decided that a literal account does not need to be taken literally, but can be viewed as figurative, of a symbolic representation.
Let's start with Jonah, since I just came from a thread, where some take this view.

Is the account of Jonah a literal account, or symbolic?
Matthew 12:38-42; Luke 11:29-32
Jesus - the son of God said:
The men of Nineveh will stand up at the judgment with this generation and condemn it, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah; and now something greater than Jonah is here.

The word of God tells us the account of Jonah is literal - it actually is a real event that occured in history, which God had recorded, and which his servants benefited from, and used. These were real people with a real story.
If we go against that, we are not allowing ourselves to be corrected, and trained in righteousness, to be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Are Adam and Eve allegorical characters, or real people?
Genesis 1:27; Mark 10:6-8; Acts 17:24-26; Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 15:22; 1 Corinthians 15:44-49; 1 Timothy 2:13, 14; Jude 14, 15Genesis 1:27; Mark 10:6-8; Acts 17:24-26; Romans 5:14; 1 Corinthians 15:22; 1 Corinthians 15:44-49; 1 Timothy 2:13, 14; Jude 14, 15

Without question, the word of God tells us that Adam and Eve were real people, and the account is not allegorical.
The events really took place in history, which God had recorded for the benefit of his servants.
If we go against that, we are not allowing ourselves to be corrected, and trained in righteousness, to be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Jesus said to the Pharisees abd Scribes,
“Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written:​
‘This people honors Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’​
For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men..."​
Mark 7:6-8

We don't want to make the word of God invalid. This is a grave sin, and separates us from God, according to Jesus.
However, this is what happens when we insist on our own interpretation - thinking that we have the right to interpret the Bible. This is the result of the deviation from first century Christianity, to everyone having a monopoly on God's word, resulting in thousands of splinter sects having their own interpretation of God's word.

The word of God has been made invalid, by those who insist that the two accounts above are symbolic and not literal.
It's important to look at some more, for our benefit, so I'll do that in a moment.

Finally Coming Home

My Brothers and Sisters in Christ,

After so many years of disobedience, of faithlessness and degradation, I have finally found my home. For more than a decade now I was barely a Christian in even name, paying lip service but failing to live as commanded. I excused every manner of sin within myself and my failure to war against my passions poisoned not only myself but those I loved. For over a decade I wallowed in filth - having squandered my inheritance.
Only Christ was able to free me from this bondage, to break the chains I have forged for myself. He alone changed me, comforted me, released me from the hatred and the shame, the lust and the greed. For the first time in as long as I could remember I have found peace. While this peace, this amazing grace, is free to me - I must now cooperate with it. I must from this moment on obey and follow the path laid out in accordance with His Will. No longer will I trust on my own understanding, for I can do nothing without Christ.

I was baptised a Catholic but cannot reconcile myself with Rome. For most of my life I was a poorly behaved Protestant - but there is only shallowness and the cult of self. Both left my spirit hungry, thirsty and longing for communion with both God and fellow Christians. Finally, I feel at home. Today I attended the Divine Liturgy and I cannot begin to describe how overwhelmed I was. I stood and watched as not a group of people, but one family in Christ raised their voices in love and reverence and together worshiped. How many years I've longed for this. I am an outsider, a stranger, but I felt like after a long journey, I had come home. One of the elder women of the Church introduced herself and we spoke for a time, introducing me to the Abbot. The Abbot, Deacon and elder men of the church were gracious and nurturing of my desire to learn and my need to obey. I didn't know these people, they didn't know me, but they were so kind and open and loving. I spoke openly about my past, my desire to return to God after being faithless for so long; but it honestly didn't feel like a return, so much as it felt I was starting anew. I was encouraged to continue to attend and become part of their community, to be active in the Church and through practical action learn and grow.

I write these things down not to boast or take pride in what I feel, but because I feel so overwalked and joyful that I cannot keep this to myself.

Pray for me, Brothers and Sisters, as I continue down my path to learn obedience to Christ through the Holy Orthodox Church. Pray for me that I learn humility and faith, so as to set aside my pride and arrogance. Pray that I have the courage to walk in faith, not shying away from sharing Christ with others be it in deed or word.


Alone I can do nothing, but I am able to do all things in He who strengthens me.

Not False to the Truth

“Who is wise and understanding among you? By his good conduct let him show his works in the meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes down from above, but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder and every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason, full of mercy and good fruits, impartial and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace.” (James 3:13-18 ESV)

The Lord may be leading me here to take this a slightly different direction while not deterring from what is being taught here, but perhaps as an offshoot of what is being taught here. For we all go through experiences in life, some good, and some not so good, which are ultimately for our good to help us to grow in our walks of faith in the Lord and to mature us spiritually in our obedience to God’s will and purpose for our lives. And so I am sensing the Lord would have me share with you today one of those experiences.

The year was 1980. I was 30 years old and pregnant with my fourth child, and my uterus prolapsed 3 months into pregnancy. I had to spend the last half of the pregnancy off my feet, so I was not able to take care of my preschool age children. So I had to put them in daycare, which was extremely emotionally painful for me to have to do. So I had a lot of time during the day without children to care for, and so I spent a lot of time in Bible study and in prayer, growing in my walk of faith in the Lord Jesus.

Fast forward to 1982. Our pastor taught on Spiritual gifts and he gave all of us a form to fill out, sharing where we believed God had gifted us and expressing our areas of ministry we would like to be involved in and/or that we believed we were called of God to do. And the expectation was that we would now be called upon and asked to serve the Lord in a specific area of ministry. But a year had gone by, I believe, and no word, so I asked the pastor to come to my house so I could speak with him about that.

He did. And I asked him why I had not heard anything. And please know here that this man and I had no relationship, so he did not know me, and I don’t believe we had ever really talked to each other before. But his response just “blew me away.” He began accusing me falsely of all sorts of things I did not do. And then he asked, “Would you say you have been crucified with Christ?” I answered, “Yes!” And he said, “I would say you haven’t!” Wow! That hit me “like a ton of bricks.”

I was so hurt by his vicious attacks against my character, which I believed to be totally unwarranted, and I really felt that there was not anything that I or God, in reality, could do about it. For I had grown up being abused by my father and I really believed that this man, this pastor, had power over me that God could do nothing about. And so I retreated. But then as I was reading the story of Jonah to my children one day the Lord impressed upon my heart that I was running away like Jonah did. And he encouraged me to “fight this through.” My response: “But God, you don’t understand!!”

Yet, I called the pastor on the phone and he suggested I speak with the elders of the church, so I invited them to my house, and they began ganging up on me and accusing me of things I was not doing. And this (today’s) passage was what they quoted to me, and they were trying to convince me that my desire to serve the Lord in ministry stemmed from selfish ambition, so that I “could be seen by others.” And so they wanted me to pray about this, and I did, but that was not my motivation at all. I wanted to serve the Lord because I love the Lord and I want to follow him in obedience.

To make a long story even shorter, what it eventually came down to is that they were judging me by themselves. For they admitted that their motivation for volunteering for ministry was to be seen by others, and since I was volunteering for ministry, they assumed that must be my motivation, too. So they were comparing me to themselves and they were deciding that I must be like them, and so they cast false judgments on me on that basis. But I wasn’t like them. In this case my motivations were from a pure heart.

So, why did the Lord have me talk about this story today? I believe it was to caution us against judging others’ character and motives by our own, or by our own traditions or religious philosophies or thinking with regard to what the “wisdom from above” should look like. For so many people, at least here in America, are adopting the culture and values of the world, and they are listening to people who are speaking in the flesh, and not in the Spirit, and they are casting judgments based on the flesh and not on godly wisdom.

So, if we really want to understand what it means to walk in the wisdom of God and not with earthly wisdom, then we need to be in close walks of faith and in obedience to our Lord so that we know the will of God. And we need to guard against adopting worldly philosophy and cultural traditions and fleshly ways of thinking and of judging and of discerning. And when we judge, it needs to be by God’s standards, and by his word, and not according to our own flesh, and not according to worldly thinking.

So, bottom line here is that the teachings of the Scriptures are to be defined by God and not by human flesh. So wisdom and good conduct are to be defined by the word of God and not by the wisdom of man. And it is the Lord who searches the hearts and who knows our true motivation for why we do what we do. But wisdom is willing to hear people out, and to take what they say to the Lord in prayer, and is willing to do self-examination and to admit error. But then we are not to be false to the truth, but we must speak truth.

And if we claim, “Not guilty” as charged, that is not necessarily a sign of pride, and it is not necessarily a profession of absolute perfection, either. It just means that we have taken what they said to the Lord in prayer, and we have allowed the Lord to examine our hearts and to show us if our motivations are wrong, and if our wisdom is of the flesh and not of the Spirit. And it is to speak the truth that we know, in love, and ask for some understanding and recognition that we are not all the same as each other.

And that is exercising this wisdom that is from above, and it is putting it into practice in our day to day situations which we will encounter, and it is to humble ourselves, and to be willing to admit wrong where we are wrong. For that is wisdom that is gentle and open to reason and is impartial and sincere, too. For we should be open to correction if needed. But we also need to be honest and not false to the truth. But we should speak the truth in love, and love those who mistreat us, who accuse us falsely.

Reach Out to Jesus

By Ralph Carmichael

Is your burden heavy as you bear it all alone?
Does the road you travel harbor danger yet unknown?
Are you growing weary in the struggle of it all?
Jesus will help you when on His name you call.

Is the life you're living filled with sorrow and despair?
Does the future press you with its worry and its care?
Are you tired and friendless, have you almost lost your way?
Jesus will help you, just come to Him today.

He is always there, hearing every prayer, faithful and true,
Walking by our side, in His love we hide all the day thru.
When you get discouraged, just remember what to do.
Reach out to Jesus, He's reaching out to you.

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My Sheep

When Jesus spoke of his sheep, he was speaking of his true followers. They hear the voice of the Lord, they listen attentively to his words, they obey what he says, and they follow him wherever he leads them. They find forgiveness and salvation. This is the mark of a true disciple of Jesus Christ.

A stranger, whom he called a thief and a robber, is a false christ or a false teacher whose mission is to lead the sheep astray into another gospel – a gospel of men. Jesus’ true sheep will not know intimately the voice of a false teacher, in fact, they will discern the error, and thus will not follow the stranger, and, in fact, will run away from him.

My Sheep

An Original Work / June 24, 2012
Based off John 10:1-30 NIV


My sheep hear me. They know me.
They listen to my voice and obey.
I call them and lead them.
They know my voice, so they follow me.
They will never follow strangers.
They will run away from them.
The voice of a stranger they know not;
They do not follow him.

So, I tell you the truth that
I am the gate, so you enter in.
Whoever does enter
Will find forgiveness and will be saved.
Nonetheless whoever enters
Not by the gate; other way,
He is the thief and a robber.
Listen not, the sheep to him.

Oh, I am the Good Shepherd,
Who laid his own life down for the sheep.
I know them. They know me.
They will live with me eternally.
The thief only comes to steal and
Kill and to destroy the church.
I have come to give you life that
You may have it to the full…

They know my voice, so they follow me.

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theistic evolution sexual dimorphism

Adam and Eve lived in the Garden in Eden 6,000 years ago. The question is Genesis 2:21 "So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs and then closed up the place with flesh." Theistic Evolution has an explanation for this. It is called sexual dimorphism.

Sexual dimorphism refers to the differences in appearance, size, structure, and behavior between males and females of the same species.

People can do their own research on this. Or use AI if they want to know more about Sexual Dimorphism.

What is nice is that the YEC people already believe that Genesis 2:21 and Genesis 1:27 are the talking about the same thing.

Remember the Universe is a closed system. Everything was there in the beginning. In the first instant of time. A trillion, trillion, trillionths of a second. NOTHING has been added. Although we are not sure just where, when, how or why the laws of physics are. We just see the effect and we surmise the cause.
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Judgment begins at God's house. Wisdom speaks.

Judging outsiders is not sound doctrine according to Paul. We are supposed to judge the church instead, as Paul said.

We need to judge the Church for its political division, factions, contention, bitterness, discontent, complaints, covetousness, greed, envy, clamor, gossip, suspicions, conspiracies theories, judging without mercy, judging in hypocrisy, and lording over people's lives instead of serving them in the love of Jesus.

We need to rebuke the church also for its political and economic fears, worries and concerns. This isn't the faith that Jesus and the apostles teach us.

You Need to Endure!

“But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings, sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated. For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one. Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward. For you have need of endurance, so that when you have done the will of God you may receive what is promised. For,
“’Yet a little while,
and the coming one will come and will not delay;
but my righteous one shall live by faith,
and if he shrinks back,
my soul has no pleasure in him.’
“But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who have faith and preserve their souls.” (Hebrews 10:32-39 ESV)

The writer of the book of Hebrews, believed by many to be the apostle Paul, was writing to those who professed faith in Jesus Christ in a time period when Jewish followers of Christ were transitioning from the Old Covenant to the New Covenant the Lord now had with his people Israel (now both Jew and Gentile who put their faith in Christ Jesus). So he was explaining to them how the New Covenant was not like the Old Covenant, but how God’s moral laws and his requirements for eternal life with God have not changed.

And so, while he was explaining the New Covenant versus the Old Covenant, he was also reinforcing the truth of the gospel which is that by faith in Jesus Christ we must be crucified with Christ in death to sin and now follow our Lord Jesus in obedience to his commands in holy living. And he gave all sorts of strong encouragements and warnings against falling away and drifting and wandering from the truth of the gospel at the risk of losing the salvation that they believed that they had attained by faith in Jesus Christ.

For he explained to them that genuine faith in the Lord Jesus results in obedience to our Lord in holy living but that disobedience to and rebellion against the Lord will result in facing the wrath of God, instead. And he used the example of the Israelites who wandered in the wilderness and who disobeyed the Lord and who walked in sin and in idolatry and in rebellion against the Lord, and how they were killed and how they did not enter into God’s eternal rest. For faith = obedience, and disobedience = unbelief.

But the Christian life has its ups and downs, and no matter how faithful to our Lord we may be, we are still human beings. And we will not be made perfect (complete) until Jesus returns and he takes his faithful bride to be with him for eternity. For only then will our salvation be complete and will we inherit eternal life with God, but only if we remain faithful to our Lord in walks of obedience to his commands and in holy living and not in deliberate and habitual sin against the Lord. But we are a work in progress.

And so Paul is speaking still to all of us today who profess faith in Jesus Christ that we be careful that we don’t drift away from our pure devotion to the Lord and that we don’t rebel, like many of the Israelites did in the wilderness, and that we don’t fall back into sinful lifestyles and forget that we were bought back for God (redeemed) out of our lives of slavery to sin by the blood of Christ shed on that cross so that we will now follow our Lord in obedience, and so that we will honor him with how we live our lives.

But because we are humans, and we still live in flesh bodies, and because if we are genuine followers of Christ we will be hated and persecuted and cast aside as unwanted, and so we may get discouraged, we are being encouraged here to not lose heart, and to not lose faith just because life got so much harder. We must keep persevering. We must keep on keeping on in our walks of faith and in obedience to our Lord, and we must guard against falling back into our old ways of the flesh.

So, just because life has gotten much harder, and perhaps we are facing many obstacles in our way, or many persecutions, or many sufferings and trials and tribulations, we are not to lose heart, and we must not give up the fight. And we should not let other people nor our circumstances dictate for us how we are going to live. For Jesus never promised us that the Christian life would be easy and free from trials and tribulations and persecutions. In fact, he promised us the opposite of that if we follow him in obedience.

Therefore, we need to have God’s perspective on life, and we need to accept that the trials and tribulations that we face in this life are ultimately for our good, to teach us perseverance and endurance, and to strengthen us in our walks of faith and in obedience to our Lord. And they are given to us to test the genuineness of our faith, for if our faith is weak or not genuine at all, we will not survive the onslaughts of the enemy against us, but we will most likely fail, and perhaps give up altogether, for we will conclude it is too hard.

So, don’t let your circumstances or how other people treat you determine who you will become and dictate for you how you should live your life. Surrender your all to Jesus Christ, deny self, die daily to sin, and follow the Lord Jesus in obedience to his commands, regardless of how you are treated in return, and regardless of the trials and tribulations which will come to test you. For great will be your reward in heaven. But if you shrink back, and you choose your sin over obedience to Christ, you will face the wrath of God.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Acts 26:18; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,24-25; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Rev 21:8,27; Rev 22:14-15]

Reach Out to Jesus

By Ralph Carmichael

Is your burden heavy as you bear it all alone?
Does the road you travel harbor danger yet unknown?
Are you growing weary in the struggle of it all?
Jesus will help you when on His name you call.

Is the life you're living filled with sorrow and despair?
Does the future press you with its worry and its care?
Are you tired and friendless, have you almost lost your way?
Jesus will help you, just come to Him today.

He is always there, hearing every prayer, faithful and true,
Walking by our side, in His love we hide all the day thru.
When you get discouraged, just remember what to do.
Reach out to Jesus, He's reaching out to you.

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Baptists (and others)-- Wives submit to husbands? Wives and husbands equal partners?

Southern Baptists are the largest Baptist convention. The Southern Baptist Baptist Faith and Message 2000 states:

The husband and wife are of equal worth before God, since both are created in God’s image. The marriage relationship models the way God relates to His people. A husband is to love his wife as Christ loved the church. He has the God-given responsibility to provide for, to protect, and to lead his family. A wife is to submit herself graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ. She, being in the image of God as is her husband and thus equal to him, has the God-given responsibility to respect her husband and to serve as his helper in managing the household and nurturing the next generation.​

The American Baptist Churches USA policy statement On Women and Men as Partners in Church and Society takes a different view. The document is rather long. Here is a key phrase related to the topic:

We affirm that the practice of partnership between women and men can be most effectively taught in the home with the church's active help. This means that the father and the mother should model mutual love and respect for the gifts and qualities that each brings to their marriage and the home they have established.​

The purpose of this thread is to discuss what Scripture says on the topic. Should wives submit to husbands? Should wives and husbands be equal partners?

The topic is NOT about whether women should be preachers, priests, elders, overseers, bishops, pastors, deacons, should teach, etc. That may be a topic for another thread for Baptists at some point. But this is looking at the relation between wives and husbands.

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