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When 70% of churchgoers don't open their Bibles daily

We live in a time when God’s Word is more accessible than at any other point in human history, yet we engage with it less. We scroll endlessly, refresh constantly, and binge on a multitude of screens every day.

Yet, when it comes to the book that holds the very words of life, all too often, our response is plain and simple inaction.

And the cost of that inaction is measurable.

According to Lifeway research, only 32% of American churchgoing Protestants (those who attend services at least twice a month) read their Bibles every day. Even more startling, a whopping 12% of these faithful churchgoers — who many of us might deem the ‘A-team’— admit they “rarely or never” open the Scriptures at all.

Rarely or never at all?

Josiah Queen’s lyrics in his recent song are hauntingly true:

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The Church Will Remain; The Papacy Must Fall

The Church Will Remain; The Papacy Must Fall​

Yes, “we have, other times, had ‘bad popes’”. My conclusion drawn from hearing the passages below is that “yes but….”. The papacy has always had a root problem – that is, concupiscence – that will effect (by prophecy, I conclude) the fall of the papacy itself before the End. The petrine dimension of the Church will fall before, but the johannine dimension of His Church will remain even until the Second Coming and the final end of this creation.

We can see two or even three “primacies” in types originating in the Twelve. Jesus shows us a “trinity of primacies” among the Apostles Peter, James and John, gathered in the Transfiguration scene (Mt 17) – window to the Second Coming in Glory. They saw His Glory – and with Him Moses of the Law and Elijah of the pre-Christian prophets. Peter – the type of the petrine dimension in the Church – would have the primacy of governance, the papacy. James, type of the jacobian dimension, the first apostolic martyr, would have the primacy of self-sacrifice in blood after Christ. John – type of the johannine dimension in the Church – has the primacy of divine [agapaō] love – holy supernatural charity – in the Church: John “the Beloved Disciple.”

The johannine and the jacobian dimensions in the Church will remain, but the petrine church will fail and must (according to prophecy) fall at the End, completely corrupted by a false prophet – in apostasy – sitting in the Chair of Peter.


..... Continued at, full essay (Nov. 14, 2024) to be found at : The Church will remain; the Papacy must fall.
On the website: RenewTheChurch.com
Blog / website of R. Thomas Richard.

Behind closed doors, our top CEOs say Trump is bad for business and it’s time to Make America into America Again

We [Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute’s CEO forum] just hosted a large gathering of top CEOs, primarily Republicans, and you might be surprised by what we heard. While many of them have been willing to support the president out of patriotic duty—and dismay over some Democratic policies—they are increasingly questioning who truly stands to benefit from the maelstrom of chaos, fear, and confusion that he has intentionally created.

The Yale Chief Executive Leadership Institute’s CEO forum gathers top political leaders with Fortune 500 CEOs for a Chatham House rules discussion where direct quotes are off the record. In Washington DC this week at the 155th gathering, as clouds swirled around the Capitol building just steps away, senators from both parties and some top Trump administration officials joined us. They had to face down the near unanimous verdict from over 100 top business leaders, representing some of the world’s largest companies and most iconic brands: Trump’s policies aren’t working.

Two-thirds of the CEOs surveyed at our event said that U.S. tariffs have been harmful to their businesses. They estimate that 80% of the tariffs have been shared equally between domestic firms and U.S. consumers, with the remainder shouldered by foreign counterparts.

Just as frustrating for CEOs is the lingering sense that this entire house of cards might collapse at any moment due to a court reversal. Nearly three-quarters of all executives surveyed said they [thought] the courts are correct in saying Trump’s tariffs are illegal as implemented. If the Supreme Court agrees with those business leaders, then corporate America’s plans will be thrown into disarray again amid halting uncertainty.

CEOs told us they still believe in the promise of the U.S. and its capitalist system, but it’s hard to ignore the Trump administration’s drift toward a quasi-socialist statism, seizing ownership from private shareholders, dictating staffing, and selectively blocking moves into strategic markets based upon politics and kickbacks. ... they expressed a near-unanimous discontent as the Trump administration has veered away from the capitalist system.

When one commenter compared MAGA to the Maoist movement, there wasn’t an outcry of disagreement. Quite the opposite.

Thoughts on Mari Emanuel and Ancient Church of East

Hello all,

*EO ONLY PLEASE*

What is the EO's position on the Ancient Church of the East and the Assyrian Church of the East? I know they are relatively small in number, and are not considered either Eastern Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, or Catholic.

What are your thoughts on Bishop Mari Emanuel who founded his own Church after being excommunicated?

Peace

(posting in fellowship)

Israeli man gets diversion, avoids jail time for swinging pipe at pro-Palestinian UCLA protesters

  • Edan On, 19, was charged with misdemeanor assault for a May 2024 incident on the UCLA campus.
  • On swung a pipe at pro-Palestinian protesters, according to video.
  • On’s lawyer declined to comment on a report that his client is now serving in the Israeli military.
  • A man who prosecutors said was part of a wild mob that attacked a pro-Palestinian encampment on UCLA’s campus last year was granted diversion Monday, meaning he will avoid jail time.

    L.A. County Superior Court Judge Liliana Gonzalez cited his age, lack of criminal history and the fact that On is working full time as factors to grant him diversion over the objection of prosecutors from the city attorney’s office during a brief hearing in the Airport Courthouse on Monday morning.

    On did not appear at the hearing and has not shown up in court since he was charged in April.

    Before the city attorney’s office charged On with misdemeanor battery, independent journalist Eric Levai published photos suggesting On had left the country and joined the Israel Defense Forces.

    Under the terms of his diversion agreement, On must stay away from the UCLA campus, complete 50 hours of community service and take part in anti-bias training, Gonzalez said.

    The case appeared to close out the last remaining criminal proceedings related to the UCLA encampment attack. Although local police arrested roughly 350 people related to pro-Palestinian encampments at USC and UCLA last year, the city attorney’s office declined to file charges against the vast majority of them.

    Another man accused of assaulting pro-Palestinian demonstrators and hurling racial epithets at them was also granted diversion in July.

    Misdemeanor proceedings against one pro-Palestinian demonstrator remain ongoing, records show.

    see also:

    A CNN review of footage, social media posts, and interviews found that some of the most dramatic attacks caught on camera that night were committed by people outside UCLA – not the university students and faculty who were eventually arrested.

    “Edan went to bully the Palestinian students in the tents at UCLA and played the song that they played to the Nukhba terrorists in prison!” his mother boasted in Hebrew on Facebook, referencing Hamas. She circled an image of him that had been broadcast on the local news.

    “He is all over the news channels,” his mother wrote in a now-deleted post.

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Man arrested for shooting at ABC station posted 'steady stream' of anti-Trump remarks on X account

A Sacramento man charged with shooting into the lobby of an ABC affiliate after the network suspended Jimmy Kimmel’s late-night show previously called on people to pray for President Donald Trump’s demise in one of several anti-Trump posts on his social media.

Anibal Hernandez Santana, 64, reportedly fired at least three shots into the window of the ABC10 affiliate last Friday, according to the Sacramento Police Department. While the building was occupied at the time of the shooting, no one was physically injured.

Authorities announced on Saturday that they had identified the vehicle connected to the case and arrested Hernandez Santana on charges of assault with a deadly weapon, negligent discharge of a firearm, and shooting into an occupied building.

As Variety reported on Friday, the suspect’s LinkedIn page states that he worked as a legislative director for the California Federation of Teachers from December 2013 to January 2015. He also worked as a health policy analyst at the California Rural Indian Health Board from May 2016 to June 2018, before working as a self-employed health policy consultant from August 2018 to October 2020.

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What's driving pastors to quit early?

A new study has identified the specific conditions under which Protestant pastors are more likely to leave ministry. Though few exit before retirement, those who do tend to face common stressors within their churches and personal lives.

One of the strongest indicators of longevity was whether pastors shared their personal struggles with others in their congregation, according to a study by Lifeway Research.

Pastors who said they opened up at least monthly to lay leaders were 2.2 times more likely to still be serving, while those who regularly spoke with a Bible study group were 3.9 times more likely to stay.

The analysis also found that isolation was closely linked to burnout, with 68% of former pastors reported feeling isolated in their role. Pastors who reported feeling more isolated were 1.7 times less likely to still be in ministry.

Family dynamics also played a significant role, as pastors who reported putting family ahead of pastoral duties when time conflicts arose increased their chances of staying in ministry by 1.7 times. Involving family members in ministry also positively influenced a pastor’s longevity.

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Trump taps Eric Tung — L.A. lawyer known for crypto, competitive target shooting — as 9th Circuit judge

He’s never held public office or donned a judge’s robes, but an arch-conservative Los Angeles County attorney is racing toward confirmation on the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals

A competitive target shooter with a background in a cryptocurrency, Eric Tung was approached by the White House Counsel’s Office on March 28 to replace Judge Sandra Segal Ikuta, a Bush appointee and one of the court’s most prominent conservatives, who is taking senior status.

A new father and still a relative unknown in national legal circles, Tung found an ally in pal Mike Davis, a reputed “judge whisperer” in Trump’s orbit.

In the past, senators from a potential judge’s home state could block a nomination — a custom Trump exploded when he steamrolled Washington senators to install Eric D. Miller to the 9th Circuit in 2019.

Tung has been tight-lipped about his ascent to the country’s busiest circuit. He did not respond to inquiries from The Times.

Both Tung and his wife Emily Lataif have close ties to the anti-abortion movement. Tung worked extensively with the architect of Texas’ heartbeat bill; Lataif interned for the Susan B. Anthony List, an anti-abortion policy group that seeks to make IUDs and emergency contraception illegal and opposes many forms of in-vitro fertilization.

When asked by Sen. Chris Coons of Delaware whether he believed IVF was protected by the Constitution, Tung declined to answer.

Sen. Adam Schiff pushed the nominee for his opinion on Loving vs. Virginia, the 1967 case affirming interracial marriage.

“Was that wrongly decided?” the California lawmaker asked the aspiring judge.

“Senator, my wife and I are an interracial couple, so if that case were wrongly decided I would be in big trouble,” Tung said.

“You’re willing to tell us you believe Loving was correctly decided, but you’re not willing to say [Obergefell and Lawrence v Texas] were correctly decided,” Schiff said. “That seems less originalist and more situational.”

Ellen White clearly taught Jesus is the great I AM.

Ellen White clearly taught that Jesus is Jehovah, the great I AM of the burning bush with Moses and who led the Children of Isreal and revealed Himself when He came as the Christ. Jesus Claims About Himself...
John 8:48-58.
48 The answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil? 49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth. 51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death. 52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. 53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

With solemn dignity Jesus answered, “Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.”

Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by this Galilean Rabbi. He had announced Himself to be the self-existent One, He who had been promised to Israel, “whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity.” Micah 5:2, margin.

Again the priests and rabbis cried out against Jesus as a blasphemer. His claim to be one with God had before stirred them to take His life, and a few months later they plainly declared, “For a good work we stone Thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that Thou, being a man, makest Thyself God.” John 10:33. Because He was, and avowed Himself to be, the Son of God, they were bent on destroying Him. Now many of the people, siding with the priests and rabbis, took up stones to cast at Him. “But Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.” (Desire of Ages, 470.1)

Ellen White clearly showed who Jesus was, as seen in more of her writings:

Ellen G. White wrote:The Pre-existent, Self-existent Son of God.--Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God.... In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.--Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900.

He was equal with God, infinite and omnipotent.... He is the eternal, self-existent Son.--Manuscript 101, 1897.

From Everlasting.--While God's Word speaks of the humanity of Christ when upon this earth, it also speaks decidedly regarding His pre-existence. The Word existed as a divine being, even as the eternal Son of God, in union and oneness with His Father. From everlasting He was the Mediator of the covenant, the one in whom all nations of the earth, both Jews and Gentiles, if they accepted Him, were to be blessed. "The Word was with God, and the Word was God." Before men or angels were created, the Word was with God, and was God.--Review and Herald, April 5, 1906.

Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures.--Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899.

Jesus declared, "I am the resurrection, and the life." In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. "He that hath the Son hath life." The divinity of Christ is the believer's assurance of eternal life.--The Desire of Ages, p. 530 (1898)
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Charlie Kirk's Memorial Service: Let's Talk About That.


I know it is a 7 hour video. But it was such a beautiful event that not only honored Charlie Kirk, but God. The worship brought me to tears.

Yet They Did Not Obey

And the Lord said to me, “Proclaim all these words in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, saying, ‘Hear the words of this covenant and do them. For I solemnly warned your fathers in the day that I brought them up from the land of Egypt, even to this day, warning persistently, saying, “Listen to My voice.” Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked, each one, in the stubbornness of his evil heart; therefore I brought on them all the words of this covenant, which I commanded them to do, but they did not.’”
Then the Lord said to me, “A conspiracy has been found among the men of Judah and among the inhabitants of Jerusalem. They have turned back to the iniquities of their ancestors who refused to hear My words, and they have gone after other gods to serve them; the house of Israel and the house of Judah have broken My covenant which I made with their fathers.” Therefore thus says the Lord, “Behold I am bringing disaster on them which they will not be able to escape; though they will cry to Me, yet I will not listen to them.” (Jeremiah 11:6-11 NASB1995)

We live in very troubled times. Lies and liars abound everywhere. Not many and not much can be trusted to be of the truth and to tell the truth any more. There is so much deception in the world around us, and sadly within many of the gatherings of what are called “churches,” too. So many have altered and diluted the message of the gospel of our salvation to make it more acceptable to the ungodly of the world and to human flesh, and to be less offensive to the world they are trying to attract to their gatherings.

Wolves in sheep’s clothing are numerous. They are the malicious, the morally unclean, deceivers, manipulators, opportunists, the untrustworthy, liars, egocentrics, and fakes who fake their Christianity in order to deceive the people with their lies, and who are rapidly multiplying. They take the Scriptures out of their correct biblical context, and they twist them to say what is not truth, and they post them on the internet and include them in their sermons to turn people away from genuine biblical salvation.

But the Lord has some of us Christians, who are believing and following after the truth of the gospel, out in the public and on the internet teaching the truth of the gospel and refuting the lies of Satan which are coming against the truth of the gospel and which are leading many people to hell on the promise of heaven when they die. And we are teaching what Jesus and his New Testament apostles taught as the gospel in its correct biblical context. And we are calling people to die to sin and to obey God and his commands.

Now, from all physical appearance, it appears that many are not listening, and that the majority appear to be rejecting the truth of the gospel in favor of the lie which is permeating the gospel message and the church. For the liars have been very successful in convincing the many that the truth is a lie and that the lie is the truth. For the lie teaches that you can profess faith in Jesus Christ and now all your sins are forgiven and heaven is guaranteed you when you die, while obedience to God is discouraged or made optional.

And God has been very patient, and he has given all who profess his name plenty of time to repent of their sins and to now commit their lives to obeying him, in practice, and to putting sin to death in their lives daily, by the Spirit, and to walk in holiness and in righteousness in the power of God. But it appears that the masses have continued to believe that their sins will not keep them from salvation and eternal life with God. But God says if sin is our practice, and not obedience, we will not inherit eternal life with God.

And if we read the book of Revelation, beginning with the letters to the churches, warning 5 out of 7 of them of their need to repent of their sins or to face the judgment of God, and this was regarding not just then, but the last days before the return of Christ, then we should realize that God means business when he says we are to repent of (turn from, die to) our sins and obey God and his commands or we will not have eternal life with God, but we will be cast into hell. So, please know and believe the truth, not the lies.

For Jesus Christ taught that to come to him we must deny self, take up our cross daily (die daily to sin), and follow (obey) him. For if we hold on to living in sin and for self, we will lose our lives for eternity. But if we deny self, die daily to sin, by the Spirit, and we walk in obedience to our Lord and to his commands, in his power, then we have eternal life with God. For not everyone who calls him “Lord” will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one DOING (obeying) the will of God (see Luke 9:23-26; Matthew 7:21-23).

Gospel:[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:5-10; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:1-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10; Revelation 2:1-29; Revelation 3:1-22]

For Our Nation

An Original Work / September 11, 2012
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love
Recording Via Gerry Peters, music producer and arranger


Bombs are bursting. Night is falling.
Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.
Trust Him with your life today.
Make Him your Lord and your Savior.
Turn from your sin. Follow Jesus.
He will forgive you of your sin;
Cleanse your heart, made new within.

Men betraying: Our trust fraying.
On our knees to God we’re praying,
Seeking God to give us answers
That are only found in Him.
God is sovereign over all things.
Nothing from His mind escaping.
He has all things under His command,
And will work all for good.

Jesus Christ is gently calling
You to follow Him in all ways.

Men deceiving: We’re believing
In our Lord, and interceding
For our nation and its people
To obey their God today.
He is our hope for our future.
For our wounds He offers suture.
He is all we need for this life.
Trust Him with your life today.

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Yet They Did Not Obey
An Original Work / September 23, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Christian Girl looking for guidance

Hello Everyone!
My name is Scarlett, im 21 from London. I have been a 'Christian' all my life but only in the past year have i read the word and truely had Faith is Jesus Christ.
I am not very consecutive with my studies and tend to 'forget' to read my bible or am to 'tired' to pray due to my busy schedule. I used to go to Church but after a couple of months i didn't quite align with their beliefs and it was giving more 'Cult' then church.

I want to be on fire for the Lord everyday and learn from you guys in this community, please do PM me or reply to this thread and lets discuss!

My previous church was evangelical but i dont quite know which denom i would put myself in to, all i know is it is not catholic.

Appropriate Types of Prayer for Laity?

Forgive me for my ignorance, but I heard it said that laity can recite most long prayers; long prayers that contain parts specifically dedicated to Spiritual Frs and Deacons – except you substitute the Spiritual Fr's & Deacon's parts for "Kyrie Eleison x12" and end with "Through the prayers of our Holy Fathers, Lord Jesus Christ our God, have mercy on us and save us".

Is this correct? Or are laity sinning by attempting to perform such prayers? Should laity never attempt for example, the Great Compline at home, or the Divine Liturgy or Great Vespers and try to stick only to shorter prayers?

I would be interested mainly in instruction from ordained Spiritual Fathers on this one, please, or in direct instruction that has been obtained via someone's Spiritual Father (or Monks, Elders, or Saints - that kind).

Erika Kirk Rejects Revenge for Husband's Killer

"I've had so many people ask, 'Do you feel anger toward this man? Like, do you want to seek the death penalty?' I'll be honest. I told our lawyer, I want the government to decide this," she explained. "I do not want that man's blood on my ledger. Because when I get to heaven, and Jesus is like: 'Uh, eye for an eye? Is that how we do it?' And that keeps me from being in heaven, from being with Charlie?"​


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Prayer request for a short wait on the transplant waiting list and for a successful transplant

This has been a tough year. I lost my kidney transplant that my husband donated to me in 2017. It happened suddenly in April, when I woke up and couldn't breathe due to fluid overload. I had emergency heart surgery, which went wrong. As it turns out, I never needed that surgery to begin with. I needed dialysis. After spending 47 days in the hospital and completing a 72-hour sedated dialysis, I was finally able to breathe. I was on a ventilator 4 times and I coded 4 times. I am beyond thankful to God for saving my life! He has been by my side every step of this journey and I am at peace knowing this. His timing is perfect.

I am requesting prayer for a short wait time on the UNOS waiting list, for a successful transplant that lasts decades, for the surgeons and medical staff, for no complications.....and for my donor. Please pray for my donor and their family. Please pray they know Jesus and have asked him to be their Lord and Savior.

Thank you <3

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Hello from small town, Ohio!

Hello everyone! I am pretty new here. I started an account almost a year ago, but I'm really getting into the website now. I am happily married with a college-aged daughter (she's in nursing school). I am currently on Dialysis and on the Transplant waiting list for a kidney + pancreas transplant. I love Jesus, reading, cooking, crafting, and homemaking. We also travel when possible. I am excited to be here and I hope to develop friendships with Christians.

Blast the Asteroid Before It Hits the Moon


A little while back, scientists breathed a sigh of relief that Asteroid 2024 yr4 would not hit the Earth. There was a chance that it could hit the Moon though but scientists were not that worried about that situation. Many asteroids have done so in the past, what's another on especially if it wouldn't alter the Moon's orbit. Now though, scientists have declared "open season" on this asteroid. It appears that the asteroid hitting the Moon could cause more damage than expected to Earth and the stuff the orbits the Earth especially if the asteroid hits on the side of the Moon facing Earth.

Is it time to test out those ballistic missiles on this asteroid?

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