‘We’re citizens!’: Oklahoma City family traumatized after ICE raids home, but they weren’t suspects​

The agents had a search warrant for the home, but the suspects listed on the warrant do not live in the house.

The woman who actually lives in the house had just moved to Oklahoma City from Maryland with her family about two weeks earlier.

The woman, who News 4 will refer to as “Marisa”, and her three daughters came to Oklahoma looking for a slower, more affordable pace of life.

Marisa said the agents tore apart every square inch of the house and what few belongings they had, seizing their phones, laptops and their life savings in cash as “evidence.”

“I told them before they left, I said you took my phone. We have no money. I just moved here,” she said. “I have to feed my children. I’m going to need gas money. I need to be able to get around. Like, how do you just leave me like this? Like an abandoned dog.”

Marisa told News 4 the agents wouldn’t even leave her a business card.

She said she has no idea who to contact to get her things back.

Woman from Haiti dies while in ICE custody at detention facility in Broward

Another detainee at the center told the Miami Herald that Blaise had been complaining about chest pains Friday. After her blood pressure measured with a top number of 156, the detainee said, Blaise was given some pills and sent to lie down. Later, “she started shaking, screaming, ‘My chest! My chest!’” the other detainee said. ICE said Blaise was pronounced dead at 8:35 p.m.

The agency says U.S. Customs and Border Protection stopped Blaise as she started to board a flight to Charlotte from Saint Croix in the U.S. Virgin Islands without a valid immigrant visa.

[Rep for Haitian advocacy group] added that people with Temporary Protected Status and other legal protections from deportation are “being detained and transferred to ICE, who are traveling from U.S. territories [and] who should not be flagged as someone entering the U.S. when they are already in the U.S.”

Legalism is an excessive focus on strict adherence to laws, rules, or rituals, sometimes at the expense of the deeper spiritual relationship with God. It can manifest as the belief that salvation or God's love can be earned solely through good works or obedience to religious laws, rather than through grace and faith. The Church teaches that while good works and obedience are important, they are a response to God's grace, not a means to earn it.

This perspective emphasises that God's love and salvation are gifts, and our actions should flow from gratitude and love for Him, rather than a fear of punishment or a desire to "earn" His favour.

Just joking. I mean, is anyone really sure?

The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

My girlfriend of almost 14 months recently decided to end things between us. I had told her for the first time that I loved her the week before. She confessed to me that she is feeling confused and, while she hates it, she is unable to say "I love you" back to me for reasons unbeknownst to her. She decided she wanted to end things because she felt it was not fair to me for her to feel this way and continue the relationship. Her initial idea was for us to "take a break", but since we did not know what exactly that looks like, she decided to break up.

This breakup baffles me, and in many ways I'm still in disbelief. We are both Christian, Reformed, and aligned so well on so many values and beliefs. We enjoyed our time together; there was so much laughing. It just does not feel like things could possibly be over between us. It feels like too much was left unsaid. It feels like too lovely a thing was lost.

I talked to one of my church elders (who knows the both of us) about this, and it's his view that this was simply a moment of cold feet for her. Cold feet about the idea of marriage at this time. But he also encouraged me to center my hope on Christ, trusting that either God will bring us back together OR He has someone who is a better fit for the both of us. He also encouraged me by saying that several married couples in our church broke up for a time before coming back together and getting married. He even said that I could casually reach back out to her after a time of distance and space to see where things lead.

My original attitude towards this breakup was "assume you'll never see her again so that you can move on." It was a very bleak outlook based on fear and hurt. I don't think it came from faith. But my elder made me realize I ought not be presumptuous about the future at all, whether you're inordinantly hoping for a certain outcome or trying to cope with pain by despairing about a certain outcome. All too often there is the hope of reconciliation and reuniting with the one whom we have broken up with, the one we love. But we cannot cling to that as our sole hope. At the same time, I also don't think it's necessary or helpful to say "We are done forever, there is no hope for this relationship reconciling, I must accept and move on." It seems to me that is still being presumptuous about the future.

So, how do we practically keep a balance between these? Is it okay to hope for something that may not come true? Is it better to assume the worst? How do we always surrender our hopes to Jesus?

Plus, I would appreciate any other advice y'all may have on this breakup. Thanks!

President Donald Trump on Wednesday blamed his predecessor and defended his sweeping tariffs after new data showed the U.S. economy contracting last quarter, while warning that his promised “boom” will “take a while.”

“Tariffs will soon start kicking in, and companies are starting to move into the USA in record numbers. Our Country will boom, but we have to get rid of the Biden ‘Overhang,’” he claimed.

“This will take a while, has NOTHING TO DO WITH TARIFFS, only that he left us with bad numbers, but when the boom begins, it will be like no other. BE PATIENT!!!” Trump wrote.

Our Civilization Is More Fragile Than We Think​

I have a short period of time to write an addendum to today’s earlier post. In that previous diary entry (subscriber-only), I led with an angry complaint about Donald Trump’s role in saving Canada’s odious Liberals from the political abyss, through his taunting and trolling of Canadians. (His tariffs no doubt had a big role too, but certainly his frequent mocking of the Canadian people played a role.) I’m seeing a lot of conservative Americans on social media this morning saying that the fault is 100 percent Canadian voters’. In a basic sense, that is true. But this position seems to be more about exonerating Trump from some of the blame than it is to explain what actually happened.

I don’t want to get into the ins and outs of the “Who lost Canada?” question, but I want to talk briefly about an ancillary but important issue. And it’s this: the urgent need for steady, wise government in this combustible time.

My basic point is that even though I supported the Trump candidacy, and am still grateful that he is president and not Kamala Harris, that does not absolve Trump of the responsibility to use his power wisely. That is a truism, I guess, about any politician. But it’s massively important at this juncture in history, for reasons that Prof. David Betz and Ralph Schoelhammer discuss in this must-listen podcast. If you listen to nothing else today, make it this one:

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As someone who once lived and identified as a homosexual man but who has been transformed by Jesus Christ, I’m burdened by an insidious, neutered gospel that has heavily infiltrated many Evangelical churches.

It’s called “Side B” Christianity, and its proponents have for many years pushed a set of deceptive doctrines about human sexuality.

For those who don’t know what “Side B” means, Tim Keller described it like this: “People attracted to the same sex, though remaining celibate in obedience to the Bible, still can call themselves ‘gay Christians’ and see their attraction as part of their identity which should be acknowledged like one’s race or nationality.”

This was in contrast to “Side A,” which fully affirms homosexuality. The Side A versus Side B debate emerged years ago among some who were grappling with identity questions, with one side saying it’s fine to embrace one’s same-sex sexuality and the other side saying it must be resisted while simultaneously asserting that same-sex sexual desires cannot and should not be counseled to change. Both Side A and Side B view the sanctifying power of God’s grace as an attempt to “pray the gay away” or “conversion therapy.”

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"You know, until I came along, remember that the conservative was leading by 25 points,"

At the core of the “it’ll get worse before it gets better” fallacy lies a psychological phenomenon known as confirmation bias. This bias refers to the tendency to favor information confirming one’s preexisting beliefs or predictions. When a situation worsens, the person offering the vague prediction can claim that their foresight was accurate. When things unexpectedly improve, the same person can attribute the improvement to their expertise or intervention. Either way, the outcome supports their position.


This is particularly dangerous when the person making the prediction is an expert, a leader, or someone in a position of authority. They can position themselves so that they can’t lose. If things worsen, their prediction is confirmed. If they improve, it’s a result of their actions. This allows them to evade responsibility, even if their actions—or lack thereof—are directly contributing to the situation.


Confirmation bias makes it difficult for people to critically assess the situation and recognize that the “it’ll get worse before it gets better” narrative is a form of evasion. It encourages passivity in the face of problems and allows people to keep moving forward without genuinely addressing the root causes of the issues at hand. This is why it’s essential to question the validity of such statements and look for clear, tangible evidence of progress or regression.

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Why this is posted in the American Politics subforum:


Do you believe that there is some merit to the description of this fallacy in regards to the current political and economical developments?

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Don’t worry ‘bout what others say
Or what they think of you.
But be concerned what Jesus thinks
About you, and be true.

For we were put upon the earth
To please God with our lives,
To do His will, to sin forsake,
So in Him we survive.

For Jesus died upon that cross
To put our sins to death,
So we will die with Him to sin,
Live in His righteousness.

And Jesus called us to obey,
To walk with Him in truth,
To sacrifice our lives to Him,
No longer be uncouth.

He calls us into fellowship
With Him, give up ourselves,
So we will follow where He leads,
And in His mercy dwell.

He has a plan for each our lives
To live for Him each day,
To read the Scriptures, take them in,
And follow in His ways.

The Spirit gives us gifts to share
With those of faith in Christ,
So we can help each other grow
In faith, in love, in life.

So listen for the call of God
And answer, “Here am I,”
And be ye willing to obey
Our Lord until you die.

An Original Work / April 29, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

Shalom

I urge therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be offered for all people—for kings and all in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives, godly and honorable. (1 Tim. 2:1-2)

Could you please pray for Nathaniel Rothschild (head of the Rothschild family/a banking family) that God will save him and help him lay up treasures in heaven and not on earth, in Jesus' name, Amen?

Thank you for your prayers!

May the Lord bless you abundantly (Luke 6:38, Job 42:10) and may He bless Israel, in Jesus' name, Amen!

Soli Deo Gloria

PS And I pray that the Lord will send out harvesters into His harvest (Matt. 9:38).

Hi there my name is Stephen. I became a christian in may 1985, but have been backslidding for a number of years.

I have come back to Jesus and am hoping to find a church in my area which is a bible believing church.

I invite my fellow Anglicans as well as my learned Orthodox friend @The Liturgist to share their experiences, knowledge, and or reactions to the subject of this thread.

As you may recall, a couple of years ago I relocated resulting in a change from attending an Anglo-Catholic Episcopal parish with high churchmanship which was my entry point into Anglicanism. Now things are quite different. My new parish has lower churchmanship probably best defined as broad church and is decidedly not Anglo-Catholic. There has been much for me to adjust to, but especially now I'm curious about a local practice of celebrating the second Sunday of Easter as "Holy Humor Sunday." This is totally new to me, so I ask is this a thing, a local anomaly, a practice elsewhere in the church, a re-emerging trend, a historical practice lost in antiquity? I am trying to learn about it and sort out my own reactions to it as an admittedly rather stuffy high church Anglo-Catholic.

This explanation from Sunday's bulletin:
What is your experience, knowledge, and/or reaction? It is all new to me.

If there's one thing that really bothers me more than lies and misleading statements from politicians it's when those statements are made by preachers. It's almost summer and that reminds me of one in particular that is repeated nearly every July 4th since it appeared in a tweet from Pastor Rick Warren on August 13 2012. The tweet reads; "Of the 56 Founding Fathers who signed Declaration of Independence, 29 had ministry degrees from seminary or Bible college!" I've heard several preachers repeat it in their sermons around the 4th of July, but it's inherently false.

Let's look at the truth of the matter. Here's the complete list of the signers and their education.

George Read of Delaware: Studied Law at Philadelphia College.

Caesar Rodney and Thomas McKean of Delaware: did not attend college.

George Clymer, Benjamin Franklin, Robert Morris, John Morton, George Ross, James Smith and George Taylor of Pennsylvania: No college

Benjamin Rush of Pennsylvania: Studied medicine at the University of Edinburgh and was a physician.

James Wilson of Pennsylvania: Studied law at the Universities of St. Andrews, Glasgow, and Edinburgh; College of Philadelphia. was a lawyer

John Adams of Massachusetts: Studied law at Harvard, was a lawyer.

Samuel Adams of Massachusetts: Studied Political Science at Harvard.

John Hancock of Massachusetts: Studied Business at Harvard and was a merchant.

Robert Treat Paine of Massachusetts: Studied law at Harvard and was a judge.

Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts: Studied business at Harvard and was a merchant.

Josiah Bartlett, William Whipple, and Matthew Thornton of New Hampshire: No college.

Stephen Hopkins of Rhode Island: No college.

William Ellery of Rhose Island: Studied law at Harvard: was a lawyer and a judge.

Lewis Morris of New York: Graduated from Yale and returned to his family farm.

Philip Livingston of New York: Studied business at Yale: Merchant

Francis Lewis of New York: Attended Westminster College in England, no mention of degree: Merchant

William Floyd of New York: no college

Button Gwinnett and George Walton of Georgia: No college

Lyman Hall of Georgia: Studied medicine at Yale; Physician

Richard Henry Lee, Francis Lightfoot Lee and George Wythe of Virginia: No college

Carter Braxton of Virginia: General studies at William and Mary: Farmer

Benjamin Harrison of Virginia: Attended William and Mary College: no degree: farmer

Thomas Jefferson of Virginia: Studied law at William and Mary:Lawyer

Thomas Nelson Jr of Virginia: Graduated from Cambridge University: Farmer

William Hooper of North Carolina: Studied law at Harvard: Lawyer

John Penn of North Carolina: No college

Joseph Hewes of North Carolina: Attended Princeton: no degree: Merchant

Edward Rutledge of South Carolina: Studied law at Oxford: Lawyer

Arthur Middleton of South Carolina: studied political science at Cambridge: Politician

Thomas Lynch Jr. of South Carolina: Studied law at Cambridge: Lawyer

Thomas Heyward Jr. of South Carolina: No college

Abraham Clark and John Hart of New Jersey: No college

Francis Hopkinson of New Jersey: Studied law at the College of Philadelphia: Lawyer

Richard Stockton of New Jersey: Studied law at the College of New Jersey (Princeton): Lawyer

John Witherspoon of New Jersey: Studied theology at College of Edinburgh, Dr of divinity at St. Andrews: only signer who was a clergyman

Samuel Huntington and Roger Sherman of Connecticut: No college

William Williams of Connec0ticut: Graduate of Harvard: Merchant

Oliver Wolcott of Connecticut: Studied law at Yale: Judge

Charles Carroll of Maryland: Jesuits' College at St. Omar, France; seminary in Rheims; Graduate, College of Louis the Grande; Studied law: lawyer

Samuel Chase and Thomas Stone of Maryland: No college

William Paca of Maryland: Studied political science at Philadelphia College and law at Annapolis: judge

There you have it. Only two attended seminary. John Witherspoon who was a clergyman and Charles Carroll, who attended seminary for a short time but didn't graduate. So, where did this idea that 29 of the signers "had ministry degrees from seminary or Bible college" originate? It's absolutely false. The bigger question is why would preachers spread such false rhetoric without researching to see if it's true? (or maybe repeat it knowing it's false?) This is why many non-believers may question the church based on the false rhetoric of a few. What's your take?

This was Job speaking. He was concerned over the wicked who practice evil deeds. They are those who rebel against the light. And what is the light? Biblically it is Jesus Christ, and it is truth, righteousness, and the gospel of our salvation. And this light teaches us that, by God-honoring and God-gifted faith in Jesus Christ, we must die with Christ to sin and live to him and to his righteousness in walks of obedience to his commands, by his grace.

And what does it mean to rebel? It means to protest, to defy, to resist, and to fight against. So if someone rebels against the light, he defies and he fights against the Lord Jesus and his gospel message and the idea of having to die to (forsake, repent of) his sins and of having to obey our Lord’s commands. For he wants the blessings of God without the conditions, for he wants to live for self and for his own good pleasure, and not for God.

So, what do these rebels then do? Some of them become murderers who kill at will whomever they wish, or just those who rub them the wrong way, or just those who they believe don’t have a right to exist, who they regard as worthless and of no value to them. And murder doesn’t have to be just killing someone physically, but you can kill (defeat, shoot down, destroy) people with your words, and with how you treat them, too.

The rebels also willfully, deliberately, and habitually commit adultery against their spouses who they professed to love and to cherish and to be faithful to when they took their marriage vows. And adultery is not just having physical sexual relations with another person, but it can be to willfully look lustfully at another person, or to be addicted to pornography and to self-gratification, or to be in an extramarital romantic relationship, cheating on one’s spouse.

And those who do such things as these usually do them in secret when they think no one else can see what they are doing. And then they lie to cover up for their sins, either before or after the sinful act. And they will put on a performance to try to appear the opposite of what they are doing in secret, hoping to fool their spouses into not being suspicious about their actions. But a wise spouse should know the spouse’s addictive behaviors.

And this brings to mind John 3:19-21 NASB1995:


So, we can’t love God and love sin, too. This is not saying we will be perfect people in every respect, or that we will never sin again (1 John 2:1-2), but the Scriptures continually make a distinction between those who make sin their practice, and those who make righteousness their practice, and between those who make disobedience to God their practice, and those who obey the Lord and his commands willfully, in practice, by God’s grace.

And Jesus Christ and his New Testament apostles taught that if sin is what we practice, and not obedience to our Lord’s commandments, that we will not have salvation from sin, and we will not inherit eternal life with God. For those who love their sin, which is evident by what they practice, cannot love God. For love for God is obedience to his commands, and it is putting sin to death in our lives, by the Spirit. So we need to take this to heart!

[Matthew 7:13-14,21-23; Luke 9:23-26; John 1:12-13; John 6:44; John 10:27-30; Acts 26:18; Romans 2:6-8; Romans 6:1-23; Romans 8:1-14; 1 Corinthians 10:1-22; Galatians 5:16-24; Ephesians 2:8-10; Ephesians 4:17-32; Ephesians 5:3-6; Titus 2:11-14; Hebrews 3:1-19; Hebrews 4:1-13; Hebrews 12:1-2; 1 Peter 2:24; 1 John 1:5-10; 1 John 2:3-6; 1 John 3:4-10]

As the Deer

By Martin J. Nystrom
Based off Psalm 42:1

As the deer panteth for the water
So my soul longeth after You
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

You alone are my strength, my shield
To You alone may my spirit yield
You alone are my heart's desire
And I long to worship You

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Those Who Rebel Against The Light
An Original Work / April 29, 2025
Christ’s Free Servant, Sue J Love

A theologically progressive LGBT advocacy organization centered on changing The United Methodist Church's stance on sexual ethics recently sent an email using the female pronoun "she" to refer to God.

Reconciling Ministries Network sent an email to supporters last Wednesday commemorating the first anniversary of when the UMC General Conference voted to remove its ban on same-sex unionsand the ordination of noncelibate homosexuals.

"We wish we could say that this was an ending — a happily ever after for LGBTQ+ folks in our Church. To be clear: what we did together at General Conference was ground-breaking. And we did it because you showed up," stated the email.

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Trump, on his 100th day, spoke with ABC News' Terry Moran in the Oval Office.

President Donald Trump discussed his first 100 days in office during an exclusive interview with ABC News, discussing a wide range of topics from the economy to immigration, executive powers, and foreign policy.

In an Oval Office sit-down with ABC News anchor and Senior National Correspondent Terry Moran, Trump highlighted his administration's immigration policies and sought to reassure anxious Americans on the economy. He acknowledged that Russian President Vladimir Putin might be "tapping" him along in Ukraine peace talks and repeatedly criticized his predecessor, Joe Biden.

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Many wrong beliefs have been accepted by Christians. Ideas and theories which have no proper Biblical support and in most cases are directly Spoken against.

1/ The Church is raptured to heaven:
Jesus said 3 times, that we must endure until the end. Matthew 24:13

The holy peoples of God are present in the Holy Land in the end times. Rev 13:7

The righteous will possess the Land and live there forever. Psalms 37:29

2/ Preterism -the belief that most Prophesies have happened in the past:
Disproved by the historical facts. What is Prophesied does not match past events.

Psalms 83 actually refers to past battles, as examples of future ones.

2 Peter 1:19 tells everyone to study the Prophesies for our enlightenment.

3/ An ethnic Jewish redemption:
Many Prophesies tell of the virtual demise of the Jews who are mostly those who wrongly call themselves Jews; Revelation 2:9b, Isaiah 22:14, Ezekiel 21:1-7

This false idea was made up to support the rapture;- Jewish Israel on earth and the Church in heaven. Neither is Biblical and neither will happen.

4/ AMillenniumism, - we are in the Millennium now:
This idea, is patently wrong as Jesus is not now ruling the world. Matthew 4:8-9
Revelation 20 mentions a thousand year period after Jesus Returns; 6 times.

The thousand years will be the Sabbath period, the last tranche of the 7000 year time for God’s Plan for mankind to be completed.

5/ We are in the new Covenant with God now:
Jesus fulfilled His part of the new Covenant at the Last Supper.

But it will not be until all the Christian peoples are gathered into all of the holy Land, that the holy people of God, will make the New Covenant with Him. Jeremiah 31:31-34, Ezekiel 34:24-31, Isaiah 61:8, Hebrews 8:8-12, - all remain unfulfilled.

6/ A new Temple:
Those who say: We Christians are the Temple of God, - are correct for this 2000 year Church age. That truth does not preclude a new Temple being built in Jerusalem.

Men will come from far away to build it, Zechariah 6:15, and it will be greater than the former ones. Haggai 2:9. Ezekiel 40 to 43:17, specifies the construction of it.

7/ Jesus is the one and only Sacrifice for our sins:
True, but God does not change, Malachi 3:6, and He will require thank offerings and sacrifices for inadvertent sins, in the Temple. Ezekiel 43:18 to 46:24, Zechariah 14:16-21, and Daniel 9:27 proves that Temple sacrifices will be made again.

Isaiah 56:1-8….Their offerings and sacrifices will be acceptable on My Altar….

8/ Jewish Israelis own the holy Land:
They now have control of a small part of the holy Land, but they are in apostasy and punishment is Prophesied – with only a Christian remnant surviving. Romans 9:27

Jesus said: the Kingdom is taken from you and given to the peoples who bear the proper fruit. Matthew 21:43 I will uproot the evil neighbours and Judah too; I will uproot. Only those who follow the Way of Life, can live there. Jeremiah 12:14

I will give the Land to new owners…..Jeremiah 8:1-13 My chosen ones will live there Isaiah 65:9

9/ We Christians are conscious after death:
The dead know nothing; Eccl 9;5-6, and cannot praise God. Psalms 115:17

David sleeps in his grave ….. Acts 13:36

Only after the Millennium, at the Great White Throne Judgment, everyone who has ever lived will stand before God. Revelation 20:11-15 In a Spiritually aware state

10/ The Anti-Christ [beast] will be a Jew, he will purport to be the Messiah;
Nahum 1:11 From you Assyria, comes a wicked councillor, one who plots evil against the Lord. 2 Thess 2:4 He will sit in the Temple, demanding worship of himself; or the penalty of death. Revelation 13:8

11/ The Return of Jesus will be like a thief;- unexpected:
This belief is extremely presumptuous and is downright disgusting.

Jesus will Return in glory; with the trumpet blast of God, 1 Thess 4:16 and be seen by all. Revelation 1:7, Rev 19:11-21

The unexpected Day, will be the terrible Day the Lord sends Hs fiery wrath, which will come without warning, shocking everyone and changing the world. Rev 6:11-17



12/ The Sixth Seal is a localized event and is part of the Great Tribulation:
The Sixth Seal worldwide disaster, will commence all of the end time Prophesies.

Terrible signs in the sky with the seas roaring and surging, people will be terrified and not know which way to turn. Luke 21:25-26 & 35, it will come upon everyone the whole world over.

Isaiah 34:1-8 Listen; you peoples …the Lord ‘s anger is against all the nations. He gives them over to slaughter and destruction. The heavens will be rolled up, Revelation 6:14, and the mountains moved. For the Lord has a Day of vengeance with His Sword of retribution. Hebrews 10:27 & 30



In order for us to be prepared for the dramatic and testing times ahead we should be sure of what the Lord has told us, thru His Prophets. For the faithful and ready people, who know what to expect, it will be bearable. But to many the shock and terror may be unbearable.

Keraz

I am not Adventist, but I believe in Saturday Sabbath and dietary laws: I am Messianic. So yes, Saturday is the Sabbath, but that doesn't necesserely mean Sunday is the mark of the beast.

But anyway, even though I am not Adventist, let me help you out a little, just as a theoretic possibility. Lets consider a theory of Sunday being the mark of the beast (I am not saying it is, but why not consider a theory). Here is one way in which this can play out, yet Adventists seemed to have totally ignored that scenario. Historically, there have been a lot of antisemitism throughout middle ages. It subsided when people felt bad for the Jews after the holocaust. But now it seems to be coming back, particularly in light of events in middle east. Although of course it doesn't come in nearly as big of a magnitude as it used to be throughout middle ages. But lets say some of the future events would trigger antisemitism to come back full force, to the middle age proportions. Then, whoever is in power, will start arresting people for acting "Jewishly". And then, along with other "Jewish" things that people would be prosecuted for, they would also be prosecuted for keeping Sabbath, because its "Jewish". As a matter of fact, this is exactly how Sabbath got eradicated on the first place. If you look at the time around Constantine, they were labeling it as "Jewish" or "Judaizing" when they were outlawing it. This is exactly what might happen again.

Now, what I don't understand is why none of you Adventists ever considered this scenario. You all are saying as if people will specifically target Adventists. But historically its not something that have happened. Like it or not, Adventists just don't make the news headlines. What DOES have a lot of historical precedents is that they will persecute JEWS, and then Adventists will get persecutted "by association". In fact I read just a few years ago how in Russia someone put antisemitic graffitti on Adventist church and in that graffiti basically told them they are Jews for keeping Saturday. Thats what might happen worldwide. Again, the question is: how come none of the Adventists ever talk about THAT possibility?

To answer my own question, I would say that Adventists might be trying to dissassociate themselves from Jews because they believe in replacement theology. But lets distinguish theology from secular politics. Theologically, Jews are no longer God's chosen people. But, politically, Jews are still targetted. So, from the perspective of secular politics, the most likely "mechanism" Adventists can be targetted is by association with Jews. Theologically you don't like to say this because, again, you don't regard Jews as still chosen. But that doesn't change the fact that this can be a secular mechanism for the prophecy about Adventists to come to fulfillment? So, theologically, Adventists need to be persecutted. From the point of view of secular sociology, Jews tend to be persecutted. Putting the two together, persecution of the Jews can be a "secular" mechanism for the persecution of Adventists to take place, and fulfill the prophecy.

Again, I am not Adventist so I am not saying the prophecy is specifically about Adventists. But, if it is (as a hypothetical), the above can be a way for this to happen. I don't know why you don't consider it.

Side question: since I am on a topic of Adventists avoiding associations with Jews, I was just wondering: do you assume Jews worship on Sunday? I mean, since you say all non-believers will worship on Sunday, do you really think Jews will? If so, how would it supposedly play out?