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Do your elders and pastor share the gospel ?

Hi,

There is a difference between preaching the gospel and sharing the gospel. Sharing the gospel is more personal. What I have observed it seems the elders and pastor dont really share the gospel. They let the sharing of the gospel to the other members of the church. I dont think it should be like this, everyone is suppose to share the gospel. Being elder or pastor, they should lead by example imo. Maybe they do and I am not aware of this, idk....

Br,

Is the Catholic Church the Harlot of Babylon?

A close look at what the Bible says

There are a lot of folks who have been taught that the Roman Catholic Church is the harlot of Babylon that is spoken of in chapter 17 of the Book of Revelation: “I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names…and on her forehead was written a name of mystery: ‘Babylon the great, mother of harlots…” (vv. 3-5).

They point to two main verses to “prove” that the woman (the harlot) is the Roman Catholic Church. Those verses are: 1) Rev 17:9…“This calls for a mind with wisdom; the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman is seated,” and 2) Rev 17:18…“And the woman that you saw is the great city which has dominion over the kings of the earth.”

“See,” they say, “the seven hills means Rome, which is a city that sits on seven hills. The Catholic Church is headquartered in Rome. And, Rome was the great city that had dominion over the kings of the earth. Therefore, the harlot of Babylon is a world-wide religion that is based in Rome.” Wow. Open and shut case, right? Well, not so fast.

I’m going to make the case, using just the Bible, as to why I believe the harlot of Babylon is not the Catholic Church, but rather the city of Jerusalem. Let’s look a little more closely at some of these verses from Revelation 17.

Revelation 17:1, “Come, I will show you the judgment of the great harlot who is seated upon many waters.” How is the nation of Israel often referred to in the Old Testament? As a harlot. Why? Because Israel quite often would forsake worship of the one true God, and would turn instead to the worship of false gods. The relationship between God and Israel is frequently described in marital terms. Therefore, when Israel would forsake her true Spouse, she was described as a harlot…a harlot. Hosea 9:1, “Rejoice not, O Israel! Exult not like the peoples; for you have played the harlot, forsaking your God. You have loved a harlot’s hire upon all threshing floors.” So, we see from the Old Testament that Israel is often referred to as a harlot.

Revelation 17:3, “…and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast which was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns.” And, verse 9-10: “This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven hills on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come….” What do we see here? We see that the seven hills pertain to the beast on which the woman is seated, not the woman herself. I believe, as do most folks I’ve read– Catholic and Protestant — that the beast is symbolic of Rome and the Roman Empire. So, again, the seven hills are referring to the beast the woman is seated upon, not the woman herself. But, if Rome is the beast, then that “proves” the woman sitting on the beast is the Catholic Church, right? Again, not so fast.

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What REALLY happened in Genesis CH 3. Let's look at it, outside the box.

Genesis 3:15: And I will make you (Satan) and the woman (Eve) hate each other, and "your seed" (Speaking to Satan) and "her seed" (Speaking to Eve) will hate each other.)

Where it says "Her Seed" That means physical, human beings... The same hermetical rule, applies to "Your seed" Satan's seed is also physical.

Now IF you are one of those people who doesn't understand the scriptures, allow me to clarify.

The serpent WAS NOT a snake, the serpent was cursed later, and the curse was that he crawl on his belly, so he did become a snake, but previously he was more of a hybrid, beast, man mix. This is why Eve was NOT shocked when he spoke to her.

The old English meaning of fruit and midst, and other words in the text, throughout the scriptures, and her being deceived IE. seduced means there was a sexual event between her and the hybrid.

This was to ruin the linage of Jesus, and this is not the only time Satan tried to do this.

Also this is why the religious leaders said to Jesus, "we were not born from fornication or adultery, after Jesus said "You are of YOUR FATHER The Devil. Jesus was NOT speaking metaphorically here.

Gillespie County TX GOP moved to count ballots by hand in its primary. It had to fix errors in the results reported from almost every precinct

They counted primary ballots by hand. Now a Texas county Republican party says they found errors.

An hour after Gillespie County Republican Party Chairman Bruce Campbell declared the hand-counted primary election results completely accurate and certified them as final, he found another discrepancy.

The election was a low-profile party primary, but stakes are high. Gillespie County Republicans, led by Campbell, decided months ago to hand-count more than 8,000 ballots. Experts agree and studies show the method is time-consuming, costly, less accurate, and less secure than using machines, but local Republicans, citing unsupported concerns about the accuracy of voting machines, were determined to try and show otherwise.

Texas requires partial recounts only for ballots that are tabulated electronically — there is no provision in state law to require the local GOP to recount these ballots or audit the results of the hand count.

Scott Netherland, the election judge for Precinct 6, turned in all of the necessary paperwork to the elections office just before midnight on election night, believing it all checked out. When he woke up the next day, he decided to double-check the results. [He found he made mistakes, including one race with more votes than voters.]

Netherland said he immediately contacted Campbell, then rushed to the elections office to review tally sheets. In doing so, he realized that multiple other precincts also had reported clearly inaccurate totals.

Netherland said he still isn’t confident the election results are accurate, based on the errors that he and others have found.

On Thursday, Netherland said the Republican Party in Gillespie has introduced human error into the election process with the hand count.

“We took something that worked and now broke it,” Netherland said. “We failed to guard the purity of the election with this hand count. What we just did is evidence that this hand count was not accurate.”

9 questions about the Illuminati you were too afraid to ask

When it comes to shadowy cabals that supposedly control the world, the Illuminati should be at the top of any conspiracy theorist's list. An Illuminati Facebook page has 3.4 million likes, Madonna writes songs about the group, and YouTube channels calling pretty much everyone Illuminati notch almost 200,000 subscribers.

To sort out the truth about the Illuminati, I consulted a variety of experts on the subject. Mark A. Fenster, a law professor at the University of Florida and author of Conspiracy Theories: Secrecy and Power in American Culture, sums up the group’s long-lasting appeal. “It’s absurd on its face that you’ve got this sacred group that’s more than 300 years old and continue to see arguments about its relevance today,” he says. “The fact that the discussion is alive is amazing.”

The Illuminati wasn't always just some crazy chimera — it used to be a very real group with ambitious goals. And even though it doesn't exist anymore, the fact that many people still have paranoid beliefs about it reveals a lot about power, our culture — and, of course, what we think about Jay Z.

1) What is the Illuminati?​


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Protection, deliverance

Hello,
I was hoping someone could please help me out. I've gone through demonic possession\oppression since many years ago, and just haven't been able to rid all the demons off of myself, from home. Any chance someone wouldn't mind sharing some prayers, giving suggestions that would be effective in removing them permanently from myself, and the home? I am desperate. Please also could really use your prayers for protection and deliverance. Thank you so much!

Two men arrested for going after the most dangerous game with tactical gear, night vision goggles, and unregistered AR-style rifles

I'm sorry, did I say "the most dangerous game"? I meant protected burros.

At around 1 a.m. local time, the two men fired on wild donkeys, or burros, killing three of the animals. One animal was paralyzed and in "severe pain before it died," prosecutors said.

Both Arnet and Feikema were charged with a felony count of possession of an unregistered firearm, and a misdemeanor count of maliciously causing the death of a burro on public lands. Both men pleaded guilty to the charges, and as part of their plea agreement, agreed to forfeit the rifles, night vision goggles, and other gear, including over 4,000 rounds of ammunition.

They each face up to 10 years in prison for the firearm charge and one year in prison for the charge of killing the burros.

Supreme Court green lights Texas law that allows state police to arrest migrants.


Good. Time for law and order to take over and send these evil invaders back to where they came from.

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Why did Jesus compare the Cross to Nehushtan?

Numbers 21:

9 So Moses made a bronze [H5178] snake [H5175, G3789] and mounted it on a pole. If anyone who was bitten looked at the bronze snake, he would live.
John 3:

14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent [G3789] in the wilderness, so must the Son of Man be lifted up, 15 that whoever believes in him may have eternal life.
Jesus compared the Cross to Moses' bronze serpent, drawing a parallel between these two events. The bronze serpent was mounted up for the healing of the Israelites; Jesus would be lifted up on the Cross for the salvation of all who believe in Him. The bronze snake foreshadowed salvation through faith in Jesus on the Cross. Believers look upon Him, the crucified Savior, in faith to receive spiritual healing and eternal life.

Moses made the bronze serpent for good. Centuries later, it became an idol. 2 Kings 18:

4 [Hezekiah] removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
Strong's Hebrew: 5180. נְחֻשְׁתָּן (Nechushtan) — 1 Occurrence

Why did Jesus compare the Cross to Nehushtan?

Jesus did not compare the Cross to Hezekiah's burning of Nehushtan. He compared the Cross to Moses' raising up the bronze snake for healing.

Hello!

Hi! I'm new to the forum as a member, but I've been reading for awhile. I just wanted to say that you have all been a great encouragement to me. I felt as if I was the only one going through all this and that I was a terrible Christian for having this struggle with scrupulosity, but you have helped show me that those feelings aren't true, even though they shriek that they are. I hope to post more as I can, but I wanted to start off with a thank you!
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Trump says Jewish Democrats ‘hate’ their religion and Israel

Former president Donald Trump again claimed that the Democratic Party “hates Israel” and that Jewish Americans who vote for Democrats “hate” their religion, echoing previous attacks he has made about Jewish Democrats.

The comments were part of a lengthy interview with far-right former adviser Sebastian Gorka that was posted online Monday.

“Any Jewish person that votes for Democrats hates their religion,” Trump added.

Trump, in his interview with Gorka, went on a lengthy rant about the Democratic Party and Jewish Democrats. Doubling down on his attack on Schumer, the former president claimed that the Senate majority leader “was always pro-Israel” but that he’s “very anti-Israel now.”

In a post Monday on X, Schumer said that making “Israel a partisan issue only hurts Israel and the US-Israeli relationship.”

Jonathan Greenblatt, chief executive of the Anti-Defamation League, criticized Trump’s remarks.

“Accusing Jews of hating their religion because they might vote for a particular party is defamatory and patently false,” he said in a statement. “Serious leaders who care about the historic US-Israel alliance should focus on strengthening, rather than unraveling, bipartisan support for the State of Israel.”

[Trump campaign spox backs him up to the hilt.] “President Trump is right — the Democrat Party has turned into a full-blown anti-Israel, anti-Semitic, pro-terrorist cabal,” Karoline Leavitt, the campaign’s national press secretary, said in a statement.

[Funny thing about cabal -- it derives etymologically from Kabbalah.]

[There have been several other similar statements from Trump, including...]


His use of the word “disloyalty” immediately drew criticism from Jewish groups that said Trump was echoing antisemitic tropes about where American Jews’ loyalty lies.

‘Two-parent married family’ promotes white supremacy, says George Mason University professor

But scholars say marriage benefits society, minorities included

“Marriage fundamentalism” advances “white supremacy,” according to a George Mason University professor.

“I theorize that marriage fundamentalism, like structural racism, is a key structuring element of White heteropatriarchal supremacy,” Professor Bethany Letiecq wrote in the Journal of Marriage and Family.

“Marriage fundamentalism can be understood as an ideological and cultural phenomenon, where adherents espouse the superiority of the two-parent married family,” she (pictured) wrote.

She did not respond to two emailed requests for comment on her views sent in the past three weeks. The Fix asked if she would support government support for marriage, such as tax breaks, if they were better tailored to benefit all racial groups.

Letiecq employs “critical family theorizing…to delineate an overarching orientation to structural oppression and unequal power relations that advantages [white heteropatriarchal nuclear families] and marginalizes others as a function of marriage fundamentalism.”

Letiecq says the government has coerced “its citizens to enter into an institution built upon White heteropatriarchal supremacy.” Letiecq says marriage as an institution has allowed white heterosexual couples “to gain access to benefits, rights, and protections.”

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Monoliths are poping up again.

Are monoliths from aliens?

  • Yes

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1 20.0%
  • Man made

    Votes: 4 80.0%
  • Something else, explain what

    Votes: 0 0.0%

Did anyone see night line tonight ? They played an interview with a man that the public has decided is responsible for the monolith. He messed up as when he denied it he said that, i didn't did not do it, and then looked flustered realizing he didn't ssy what he meant to say but wasn't sure what he did say. His conscience popped in there and gave him away.:)

Will we remember our sin?

some scriptures that come to mind on this thought, which was triggered by someone saying they believe Jesus will bear His crucifixion scars for all eternity to remind us of the cost.

But when presented this statement, the first thing that came to mind was

Isaiah 65
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
a place of joy in the Lord and rejoicing, not guilt over the sin that Jesus had to die to atone for you.

furthermore, God promises He will forget our sins as a part of the New Covenant.
Jeremiah 31
31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the Lord:
33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the Lord: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Isaiah 43
25 I, even I, am he that blotteth out thy transgressions for mine own sake, and will not remember thy sins.
26 Put me in remembrance: let us plead together: declare thou, that thou mayest be justified.

So if God has promised to forget sin, when all is made new, why would we remember sin? What profit would it have? Rather it is dangerous. The first sin was .. gaining knowledge of evil, and thus we then choose to do evil. If we aren't thinking about evil and had no knowledge of evil, then we don't do it. Paul illustrates this:

Romans 7
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.
8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead.
9 For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.

Part of how sin might not exist on the new earth is that we simply won't have memory of sin and sinful things just won't even come to mind. Why would you steal, God has promised to provide you with everything freely, stealing something you don't have but your neighbor has wouldn't come to mind unless you have memory of scarcity and a perceived need to have what you don't have. There'd be no need to remember a commandment not to steal, much less remember our past experiences with stealing, because the concept of stealing comes out of coveting and scarcity and a wicked heart that values self over others. All 3 of these things just won't exist, so stealing wouldn't even come into thought much less be done... unless you remind people of it.

Forgetting sin as God does, would ensure that we would not feel ashamed in His presence, which would prevent us from having joy or even feeling like we belonged there or it was like home.

That is something I have been meditating on recently is how would I ever feel at home on the New Earth, when I'm constantly reminded that I don't deserve to be there, don't belong there and am only there by grace, like charity, it wouldn't be home in that circumstance, it'd feel like a foster family, a refugee camp.
How it can be home is.. you don't remember your sins, and so all you know is a loving Father, and thus you do feel like you belong and you are at home.

Self hate

I wonder how as Christians you deal with self hate? What aspects of the teachings and beliefs help you when you feel down on yourself, or even on the edge of hurting yourself?
Do believing Christians experience a wish to end their lives sometimes or does God transform them so they can no longer feel such things.
What happens to people who commit suicide... believers and non-believers.
If a person has an inner compulsion that they can't resist is it still a sin?
Cheers

Trump can't make bond

Trump apparently can't make his bond to appeal New York judgement.

Former President Donald Trump can’t find an insurance company to underwrite his bond to cover the massive judgment against him in the New York attorney general’s civil fraud case, his lawyers told a New York appeals court.

Trump’s attorneys said he has approached 30 underwriters to back the bond, which is due by the end of this month.

“The amount of the judgment, with interest, exceeds $464 million, and very few bonding companies will consider a bond of anything approaching that magnitude,” Trump’s lawyers wrote. (Trump himself was ordered to pay $454 million; the $464 million includes the disgorgement for his adult sons Don Jr. and Eric.)

An insurance broker, Gary Giulietti, who testified for Trump during the civil fraud trial, signed an affidavit stating that securing a bond in the full amount “is a practical impossibility.”

Potential underwriters are seeking cash to back the bond, not properties, according to Trump’s lawyers.

Trump’s lawyers have asked the appeals court to delay posting the bond until his appeal of the case is over, arguing that the value of Trump’s properties far exceed the judgment. If the appeals court rules against him, Trump asked the court to delay his posting the bond until his appeal to New York’s highest court is heard.

Trump said Monday he thought it was “practically impossible” for him to post the bond.

In a post on Truth Social, he claimed the size of the bond is “unConstitutional, un-American, unprecedented, and practically impossible for ANY Company, including one as successful as mine. The Bonding Companies have never heard of such a bond, of this size, before, nor do they have the ability to post such a bond, even if they wanted to.”

Last month, Trump was ordered to pay $355 million in disgorgement, or “ill-gotten gains,” by New York Judge Arthur Engoron in a civil fraud case brought by New York Attorney General Letitia James. Engoron wrote in his 93-page decision that Trump and his co-defendants – including his adult sons – were liable for fraud, conspiracy and issuing false financial statements and false business records, finding that the defendants fraudulently inflated the value of Trump’s assets to obtain more favorable loan and insurance rates.

The amount Trump owed surpassed $450 million with interest included.

The other or additional dimensions thread.

This thread will be all about discussing other dimensions, or what you think other dimensions might be, but I would ask that we try to limit the discussions in this thread to that subject please, ok. At least "try" anyway, etc.

I'll start with my thoughts to hopefully get this started, etc.

To put it simply, I think one other dimension could be other possibilities, since I think this universe only contains one, etc, but that all of those are still at the same "now" or "now time", etc. And then that another dimension could of course be "time" or "at all times", etc. And I'm not sure if the dimension of time, or at all possible moments in time, would include all places as well, etc. But if you think it doesn't, then maybe that could yet be another one as well maybe, but I tend to lean more toward the opinion that it might not be, but is included in the dimension of "at all possible times" or time, etc.

To try and get a simple grasp of other dimensions, think of adding another additional realm or new dimension as adding a new set of "slices" maybe, etc. Like when you think about a theoretical 2 dimensional being or thing trying to get a grasp on what the 3rd is, which is height in this case, and your adding the additional dimension of height, etc, which adds a new set of "slices", etc. Or a 1 dimensional thing or being trying to perceive the second, or the second and the third maybe, etc, which might help with this discussion, etc.

Once again, my theory is that adding other possibilites adds that, or adds one, and then also that "at all possible times" also adds that, or adds another one as well, etc, but I just don't know about all places yet, as I think those could maybe be included in the "in or at times" maybe, etc?

Again, this thread is about other possible additional dimensions, so let's try to keep it close to that subject, ok.

And, "go".

Take Care/God Bless.

Sex, Lies, and Murder: Nevada State GOP Candidate’s Former In-Law Goes Scorched Earth on Her

This story needs a "Soap" intro.

A wild feud between a rising GOP star and the mom of her late ex-husband erupted into public view on Wednesday when candidate Elizabeth Helgelien’s infuriated former mother-in-law accused the MAGA-centric Nevada politician of being a liar and an adulterer.

[Helgelien's ex] Daniel Halseth, Christine Halseth’s son, was stabbed to death in 2021 by the couple’s teenage daughter, Sierra Halseth, and her boyfriend, Aaron Guerrero. The pair are now serving life sentences.

In a scathing op-ed published Wednesday in The Nevada Globe, Halseth pleaded with Helgelien to drop out of the race for the state’s 3rd Congressional District “for my family’s sake, and out of respect for voters and the office she’s seeking.”

“Elizabeth raised a murderer, was forced out of office after a series of sex scandals, was caught in a series of lies, posed for lewd photographs, and has already proven to be unelectable,” Halseth wrote.

Daniel Halseth and Helgelien both attended Corban University, a private evangelical Christian school in Salem, Oregon. [As did the man Helgelien was having an affair with and later married.]
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How the Liberal Media Reacted to Trump’s Latest Comment Is Why Americans Have Lost Trust

This Forum is a place for respectful discussion and debate of political issues, by Roman Catholics, in the context of the Roman Catholic Faith.

The radical left will use anything they can find to use against former President Trump, even if that means spinning the truth.

On Saturday, during a campaign rally in Ohio, Trump predicted a financial “bloodbath” facing the U.S. motor industry if he is not elected, giving China the green light to flood the country with their products.

Trump said:

If you’re listening, President Xi — and you and I are friends — but he understands the way I deal. Those big monster car manufacturing plants that you’re building in Mexico right now … you’re going to not hire Americans and you’re going to sell the cars to us, no. We’re going to put a 100% tariff on every single car that comes across the line, and you’re not going to be able to sell those cars if I get elected.
Now if I don’t get elected, it’s going to be a bloodbath for the whole — that’s gonna be the least of it […] It’s going to be a bloodbath for the country. That will be the least of it. But they’re not going to sell those cars. They’re building massive factories.
However, Trump’s comments were taken out of context and spun to look like he is promising a “bloodbath” if he is not elected in November.

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