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Spurgeon Didn't Know?

In his message "Trembling at the Word of the Lord", CH Spurgeon says,

"There is a song the Jubilee Singers used to sing, which begins, “Swing low, sweet chariot.” I am sure I do not know what the singers mean by the expression; and so I give it a meaning of my own, and say that I am right glad when a promise swings so low that I can get into it. Surely a promise from God is a chariot lined with love, drawn upward by winged steeds, which bear our hearts aloft; and it is a mercy when it swings as low as this text: “To this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and trembleth at my word.”

Note he says " I am sure I do not know what the singers mean by the expression." He then proceeds to give it a meaning of his own, which is good, but not what I've always thought the song to mean.

I note others give it spiritual meaning as Spurgeon,

"Jones describes Swing Low as a signal song: “On one level it’s about people hoping they can escape their misery by riding on this imaginary chariot to heaven, but another clear meaning is the idea that the chariot is a metaphor for escaping to freedom."

Another says this:

"Willis, who worked near the Red River, may have been reminded of the Jordan River and the death of the Prophet Elijah. The lyrics “Swing low, sweet chariot, coming for to carry me home” are reminiscent of Elijah in 2 Kings being taken to heaven in a chariot."

I don't know about the death of Elijah, but that's the meaning I always figured. It's possibly more symbolic of the rapture hoped for.
And there were the African American origins, which some think had a hidden meaning about being freed from the oppressor:


The double meanings encoded in “Swing Low, Sweet Chariot” are believed to be the Jordan River as representative of the first step to freedom from slavery, “home” as Africa, and Jesus as anyone who helps bring the enslaved to freedom

"Swing Low, Sweet Chariot" is a traditional African American spiritual song that originated during the period of slavery in the United States. It is believed to have been created by Wallace Willis, a Choctaw freedman who lived in the Indian Territory (present-day Oklahoma) in the mid-19th century
The song is attributed to Wallace Willis, a slave from Oklahoma; his inspiration was the land beyond the Ohio River.


(Of Course Spurgeon didn't have internet!)

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I am struggling a lot with my mental and physical health and need prayers

Hi everyone. I really need your prayers. For a month and a half, almost two months now, I've been struggling with a pretty serious knee injury as well as some pretty bad struggles with my mental health. I've received the Sacrament of the Anointing of the Sick due to this as well as some other health issues, such as my asthma, that I've been dealing with a couple of times in the past month or so. I have good days and bad days but every single day is at least somewhat of a struggle. My depression has been pretty severe at times but not to the point of needing hospitalization thanks be to God. I should also mention that I lost my SSI and Medicaid so I am unable to get to the doctor. I'm waiting to get my Medicaid approved again but it's taking a long time.

Part of the reason why I've been depressed is loneliness because my husband is working two jobs to pay our bills. I've also been overwhelmed with trying to keep up on taking care of my son and our apartment practically by myself which normally isn't much of an issue but it definitely is when my physical and mental health isn't the greatest. I've managed but just barely. Another issue is that our son is having some behavioral issues. We're getting him in with mental health professionals but his appointment isn't for a couple of months for the psychologist because of a wait list. He also has to get an autism screening but the waiting list for that is an entire year or more and they haven't yet scheduled us. I'm also experiencing a lot of scrupulosity which is something I've struggled with for a long time.

Anyway, if you would please keep me in your prayers, I'd greatly appreciate it. I could use the extra support.

Dr. Francis Collins and Theistic Evolution

Frances Collins wrote a book on how DNA is the language of God. He tends to be a Theistic Evolutionist even though he is very busy and often does not have time to think things through.

Dr. Francis Collins, the director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), made a decision to lift a three-year moratorium on funding controversial research involving genetically altering viruses in ways that could make them more contagious, more deadly, or both. This type of research is known as gain-of-function experiments. Dr. Collins’ decision to lift the moratorium has sparked debate among scientists, with concerns about biosafety, biosecurity, and the balance between potential benefits and risks.

As director of NIH he approved the money for the research on the virus that escaped the Wuhan lab and caused the pandemic. He retired after that although I think Biden fired him. For me the whole thing has payola written all over it. Otherwise if his reputation had not been tarnished he would be a leading expert and he does have a web site on theistic evolution.

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I could really use some prayers

Hey everyone. I could really use some prayers. I'm really struggling with my mental health lately. Part of it is because my physical health hasn't been the greatest. I lost my SSI and my Medicaid and I have several health problems that I really need to see a doctor for but can't because we can't afford to pay out of pocket. I did reapply for Medicaid in the hopes that I can get approved again but it's taking forever and my injured knee is not getting any better. Neither are my other health issues. I also can't afford to buy most of my required medications out of pocket. I lost my Medicaid and SSI because Social Security says they overpaid me by $3000 and now they are demanding that I pay it back.

Another problem that I am having is behavioral issues with my son. I don't want to go into detail about it but we're getting all of the help we can. We're getting him into a psychologist but they don't have any openings until Summer. He also has to get screened for autism. That's all of the details that I feel comfortable providing.

The last thing that is causing my stress is the fact that my husband is working two jobs which leaves me to take care of our apartment and our son practically by myself. It also causes me to be quite lonely because I crave the time with my husband. Sadly, it's necessary that he works two jobs because if he doesn't, we won't be able to pay the bills. I can't work at all because of my disabilities.

Anyway, please keep me in your prayers. I'm really struggling.

Louisiana House backs moving public money to private schools

Proponents have framed ESA as the hallmark of parental choice. Critics fear having state money follow students to private education will further deplete public schools already in need. Some rural lawmakers noted their districts don’t have any private options to offer public school students.

In addition to private school tuition, the ESA money could be used for school uniforms, tutoring, textbooks and computers.

When fully implemented, the ESAs would provide $7,500 per year for each student from families with household incomes that don’t exceed 250% of federal poverty guidelines and at least $5,100 for all other enrollees, including those from wealthy households. The amount of the ESA increases to $15,000 for students with special needs.

I'm all for school choice with a voucher for each child.

Christians Making Videogames

I want some advice for this topic. Basically, I'm unsure whether or not Christians should make videogames like we do movies. But with that to say, If you do, then you still have basic access to all the other games with immorality in the sense of sexual promiscuity, violence, language, and others among these.

Do you think Christians should make/develop Christian videogames?

And with that to say, if Christians should then should it be blatantly Christian or just videogames with Christian values?

Christian videogames would need to have the quality mainstream ones have but morals and story-lines we can trust.

Hit the wall

I’m almost 50. It hurts hearing men say that women hit the wall (which means get ugly) around 35-40. It also hurts to hear that men don’t want to date us because we can no longer have babies. It’s like I’m useless now. No one will ever want me.

I used to hear from others that I was pretty a lot and now if I tell someone my feelings hurt because I was called ugly no one says anything to refute that.
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Grassley and Senate Republicans Demand Schumer Hold Mayorkas Impeachment Trial

From the linked letter:
"Since 1797, twenty-one individuals have been impeached by the House of
Representatives. Trials were held in every single instance, except once when an impeached
judge resigned from office before trial commenced. Absent Secretary Mayorkas’ immediate
resignation, this impeachment should remain faithful to Senatorial precedent."

I fully agree that the American people deserve to hear the evidence against Mayorkas.
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Given A Hard Time While Doing Sign Evangelism

Medina, Ohio was having fireworks last Saturday to celebrate the Eclipse, so I decided to go to the square and do some sign evangelism and pass out tracts. Well, this guy called me out when he saw the sign. The conversation only lasted about 4 minutes but it felt like 20. Here's how it went... Please share your thoughts!

What happened?

So I have OCD, growing up I had the typical "If you dont do that 4 more times X will happen" kind. But over the years it has morphed its way through many different styles.
However something weird happened today. I looked over at my second screen and saw somebody in my contacts and had a instant thought "if you dont do X before they message you Y will happen". I decided to follow through for some reason and attempted to do X, but literally 10 seconds later I get a message from them. OUT OF NOWHERE. There was no way I could have known they were messaging me or anything, just out of NOWHERE. What even happened? Was this demons trying to mess with me knowing they were messaging me? Coincidence? Like what was this???
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18 years ago, NH policeman reprimanded for inappropriate relationship with teen girl, loses job after threat to rape chief's wife, then kill him

The details have been sealed until recently. Where do you suppose that guy is now?

Naturally he's a state representative and Trump campaign county chair.

Documents: Rep. Jon Stone Threatened Mass Shooting and Rape After Investigation

Republican Rep. Jon Stone’s New Hampshire law enforcement career ended when he threatened to kill fellow police officers in a shooting spree, and murder his chief after raping the chief’s wife and children, all while he was already under scrutiny for his inappropriate relationship with a teen girl, according to the internal investigation reports finally released this week.

While the two reportedly talked about sex together, there was no proof they had a physical relationship, according to Chase’s report.

...the investigation into his inappropriate relationship with a 16-year-old Stevens High School girl, started when she was 15, brought out a violent and deranged side of Stone that had other officers scared, according to the investigation

After Stone was terminated from the department, he appealed through the police union mediation process and came to an agreement with the department and city. In exchange for leaving his position and giving up his certification to be a police officer in New Hampshire, the department would purge his personnel file of the internal affairs reports. The department complied with the agreement, but kept copies of the reports separately in its internal affairs records.

Stone currently sits on the House Criminal Justice and Public Safety Committee. After leaving police work, Stone got a job as a prison guard in Vermont, and he started a business selling guns in Claremont.

Police Report: Trump County Chair Threatened To Rape Boss's Wife, Then Kill Him

Jonathan Stone, a former New Hampshire police officer, has been a part of Trump’s campaign since 2016, when he gave Trump an inscribed AR-15 assault rifle.

Hello, Everyone! Hope You Are All Doing Well!

Hi, everyone! I'm new here at Christian Forums and thought I'd say hi. About a week ago, I was searching for a Christian forum site online as I've been going through some deep depression due to family and financial issues, and I thought something like this might help. Then I found you guys!
I'm a Catholic woman in my late twenties (but, really, I think I'm just a big kid at heart!). I'm currently trying to make a living off being an artist, writer, and entrepreneur. I primarily draw/write anime art and stories, but I also dabble in watercolor illustrations of nature and classic, feminine designs. If anyone is interested, i'd like to share some of my creations with you. My interests include Sanrio, anime (but I'm really selective), classic literature, fantasy/fairytales, music, old sitcoms and comedy, and nature (especially flowers and the beach) to name a few. Thanks for having me!

“Once again, the State of Florida has a First Amendment problem” - Judge rules teacher can use preferred pronouns at work despite state law

Transgender Hillsborough County teacher can use preferred pronouns at work, federal judge rules

Chief United States District Judge Mark E. Walker, an Obama appointee, wrote that Wood is “substantially likely” to succeed on her First Amendment claims, and issued a preliminary injunction blocking the state from enforcing the law against her, pending her lawsuit. The injunction applies only to Wood, and not statewide.

"So, the question before this Court is whether the First Amendment permits the State to dictate, without limitation, how public-school teachers refer to themselves when communicating to students. The answer is a thunderous ‘no.'”

Walker’s ruling cites a 2022 decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in favor of a public school football coach, Joe Kennedy, who lost his job for praying on the football field.
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OJ Simpson dead at 76 after cancer battle

O.J. Simpson — who became one of the most infamous figures in the US during his murder trial in the ’90s — has died after a cancer battle.

The former NFL star died Wednesday in Las Vegas, his family confirmed. He was 76.


“On April 10th, our father, Orenthal James Simpson, succumbed to his battle with cancer,” the family wrote on X on Thursday.

“He was surrounded by his children and grandchildren. During this time of transition, his family asks that you please respect their wishes for privacy and grace,” the brief statement added.

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What is the Philosophy of Art?

When you see or experience an artistic work, what is it that occurs within you that draws your attention? is it visual complexity, or perhaps a hidden meaning or thought, that seems new?

This is a philosophical question, for people who aspire to, or appreciate further learning. Within the Catholic faith, which is what I'm personally familiar with, we tend to accept all facets of life as being within Gods creation, and thus, within Gods 'plan' for humanity. With that in mind, we tend to pursue greater understanding in various, and oftentimes, non-biblical areas.

The Persistence Of Memory by Salvador Dalí 1931
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Suffering Unjustly for Righteousness' Sake

“Servants, be subject to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the unjust. For this is a gracious thing, when, mindful of God, one endures sorrows while suffering unjustly. For what credit is it if, when you sin and are beaten for it, you endure? But if when you do good and suffer for it you endure, this is a gracious thing in the sight of God. For to this you have been called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example, so that you might follow in his steps. He committed no sin, neither was deceit found in his mouth.
“When he was reviled, he did not revile in return; when he suffered, he did not threaten, but continued entrusting himself to him who judges justly. He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed. For you were straying like sheep, but have now returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.” (1 Peter 2:18-25 ESV)

If you work for an employer, you are, essentially, a servant of that employer. And as a believer in Christ, it is your responsibility to do your very best to do what your employer asks of you and to show proper respect to your employer, even if you disagree with what your employer is asking you to do. The only exceptions here are the same ones that we have examples of in the Scriptures, and that is if your employer asks you to do something sinful, illegal, and/or immoral, and/or if he asks you to deny your faith in Christ.

Now if you live in a country, like the USA, where presently you have a choice of where you can work, then if you don’t like the place where you are working, you are free to choose a different job and a different employer. Not everyone everywhere in the world has those same freedoms. So if you live somewhere where your job and your employer are chosen for you, and you have no choice in the matter, then you must be subject to the boss over you even if you are mistreated, but with the biblical exceptions named here.

And let me add here that the same applies with regard to what church fellowship that you attend. If you are attending a church fellowship that is not operating according to the Scriptures, and not under the direction of the Holy Spirit, and so it is very flesh and worldly and market driven, you do not have to stay there. You do not have to submit to worldly authority which is operating according to marketing schemes. But if you choose to remain, then it is your obligation to submit to that authority, but with the exceptions.

The bottom line in all of this is that we are to represent Jesus Christ in all that we are and do and say. We won’t all do it perfectly all the time, but we must do our best to serve our Lord and to serve our earthly masters (bosses) to the best of our understanding and to the best of our abilities (we can’t all do all the same things at all the same levels), but within the biblical guidelines set down for us by God as to what we should and should not do as followers of Christ, which is why we have biblical exceptions to submission to human authorities, which we are to follow as Jesus did.

For Jesus Christ and his NT apostles did not submit to the authorities if those authorities required of them that they disobey God. And they also did not have any problem standing up to human authority if those authorities were in the wrong in how they were treating them, either. So this is definitely not teaching that we shut up and that we compromise our faith and that we submit in everything and to everyone who is in position of authority over us. Jesus had regular words with the Pharisees of his day, as did his apostles.

But if we must confront wrongdoing, we should handle it respectfully, but not to the point of diluting or compromising the truth. For we are to be people of God who speak the truth in love to one another. And we are to be people of biblical and moral conviction and integrity and moral purity and honesty and commitment to Christ and to his word and to following Jesus Christ wherever he leads us, above all else. So, again, in all that we are and do and say we must be those who represent Christ well, as best as we know how.

So, if that is what we are doing, in practice, we are going to be hated, rejected, mistreated, and persecuted for righteousness’ sake. So we are to bear our cross gracefully for the sake of Christ and of his gospel, and not be people who get even with others who mistreat us. For we are instructed in the Scriptures to be those who love our enemies, who do good to those who hate us, who wish well to those who curse us, and who pray for those who abuse us (Luke 6:27-28).

We must be willing to suffer unjustly for the sake of the name of Jesus, and for the sake of the truth of the gospel, and for the sake of righteousness, just as Jesus suffered for us and died on a cross for us so that we might be delivered from our slavery to sin and so that we might now walk humbly before our God in walks of holiness and in righteousness and in obedience to our Lord and to his commands under the New Covenant. For when we stand on the truth of God’s word, we risk being hated and forsaken by others.

And the truth that we are to be spreading to others is the truth that Jesus Christ died on that cross that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. He died that we might be crucified with him in death to sin and raised with him to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as slaves to God. For if sin is what we obey, and not obedience to God, we will die in our sins. We will not inherit eternal life with God, regardless of what we profess with our lips. So, please take this to heart.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,24-25; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24]

Jesus, I My Cross Have Taken

Hymn lyrics by Henry F. Lyte, 1833
Music attr. to Mozart, 1831/ Arr. Hubert P. Main, 1872


Jesus, I my cross have taken, all to leave and follow Thee;
Destitute, despised, forsaken, Thou from hence my all shall be.
Perish every fond ambition, all I’ve sought or hoped or known;
Yet how rich is my condition! God and heav’n are still mine own.

Let the world despise and leave me, they have left my Savior, too;
Human hearts and looks deceive me; Thou art not, like them, untrue.
And while Thou shalt smile upon me, God of wisdom, love and might,
Foes may hate and friends disown me, show Thy face and all is bright.

Go, then, earthly fame and treasure! Come, disaster, scorn and pain!
In Thy service pain is pleasure; with Thy favor, loss is gain.
I have called Thee, “Abba, Father”; I have set my heart on Thee:
Storms may howl, and clouds may gather, all must work for good to me.

Man may trouble and distress me, ’twill but drive me to Thy breast;
Life with trials hard may press me; heav’n will bring me sweeter rest.
Oh, ’tis not in grief to harm me, while Thy love is left to me;
Oh, ’twere not in joy to charm me, were that joy unmixed with Thee.

Haste then on from grace to glory, armed by faith, and winged by prayer,
Heav’n’s eternal day’s before thee, God’s own hand shall guide thee there.
Soon shall close thy earthly mission, swift shall pass thy pilgrim days;
Hope soon change to glad fruition, faith to sight, and prayer to praise.

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No Doubt

Not a cloud of guilt, nor any evil power of control remains for the believer in the Lord Jesus! The "old man," at rebirth, has lost both its "condemnation" (Ro 8:1) and "dominion" (Ro 6:14) on the believer. The guilt is gone because Christ has taken its curse; and its power to cause the believer to desire sin is annulled because "God works in you both to will and to do of His good pleasure" (Phl 2:13), instead of our evil pleasure.

Though the Christian possess the old man, which continues to tempt, the power of the Lord Jesus takes the place of the power to desire sin and do evil. This is where God is most glorified--in that from now on the believer is ever controlled by the indwelling Spirit of God, "against which there is no law (opposition - Gal 5:23); and knowing this is a permanent state gives the greatest encouragement and "exhortation" (Heb 10:25).

God causes believers to "reckon" on His Word so that there will be surety of guidance concerning living according to His "pleasure;" and He will not fail here in those who are His!



Albert Barnes (1798-1870) "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust - That is, the fountain or source of all temptation is in man himself. It is true that external inducements to sin may be placed before him, but they would have no force if there was not something in himself to which they corresponded, and over which they might have power. There must be some “lust;” some desire; some inclination; something which is unsatisfied now, which is made the foundation of the temptation, and which gives it all its power. If there were no capacity for receiving food, or desire for it, objects placed before us appealing to the appetite could never be made a source of temptation; if there were nothing in the soul which could be regarded as the love of acquisition or possession, gold would furnish no temptation; if there were no sensual propensities, we should be in that quarter above the power of temptation.

Please pray-New Stressful Part Time Job

I’ll be conducting an 8 week art workshop for retirees starting this Saturday at a local library. I’m anxious about it but have a great curriculum provided I can facilitate effectively. Please pray I don’t make a fool of myself and that the 10 students benefit.The program is supposed to help them make social contacts and art is supposed to help prevent cognitive decline and decrease cortisol. Thanks in advance!

Religious ritual and maintaining faith.

Sociologists observe what happens with people in all sorts of circumstances; one observation that sociologists make is that communities that suffer from war and the stress associated with it or suffer from natural disasters and the terror associated with them, experience increases in attendance at religious rituals including Christian church services. Sociologists also observe that costly sacrifices associated with adherence to a religion tend to make it more likely that people will stay in the religion. Thus fasting, sacrificial giving, frequent services, and religious activities that demand time and effort play a significant role in keeping attendance high and make adherence long term.

All of the above is interesting, its applicability to Christianity and Christians may be questioned, and, of course, the faithful will want to argue that the truth of their religion and its teachings is the principal cause for its longevity, persuasiveness, and power to convert. The holy scriptures also back up the argument from truth being that cause for a religion's longevity and the personal sacrifices that the faithful make for the sake of their religion.

So, I am wondering if the argument in Hebrews chapter eleven is an example of the observations made by sociologists about religion.

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