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  • CF has always been a site that welcomes people from different backgrounds and beliefs to participate in discussion and even debate. That is the nature of its ministry. In view of recent events emotions are running very high. We need to remind people of some basic principles in debating on this site. We need to be civil when we express differences in opinion. No personal attacks. Avoid you, your statements. Don't characterize an entire political party with comparisons to Fascism or Communism or other extreme movements that committed atrocities. CF is not the place for broad brush or blanket statements about groups and political parties. Put the broad brushes and blankets away when you come to CF, better yet, put them in the incinerator. Debate had no place for them. We need to remember that people that commit acts of violence represent themselves or a small extreme faction.

Meet the Women Defying the ‘Birth Dearth’

‘Hannah’s Children’ offers a glimpse into countercultural women having five babies — or more.

Populations are collapsing globally. The total fertility rate (TFR) during a woman’s childbearing years has declined by more than 50% over the past 70 years, from around five children for each female in 1950 to 2.2 children in 2021, with more than half of all countries and territories (110 of 204) below 2.1 births.

According to the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation, in the U.S., since 2007, the total fertility rate has declined from 2.12, which is just above the replacement level set by demographic tradition at 2.10 births per woman, to 1.67 in 2022, leading many to speculate that our country has entered a sustained period of what is considered below-replacement fertility.

This situation captured the attention of Catherine Pakaluk, Ph.D., director of social research and associate professor at The Catholic University of America.

“Growing up, I heard people complaining that the world would be overpopulated, but in the last 25 years, it has become clear that we don’t have enough children,” she told the Register. “When a country is shrinking, economic output shrinks along with family sizes. Most sociologists and economists around the world are studying the reasons why people won’t or can’t have children. I thought that I could add to the conversation by talking to those who are having children.”

Continued below.

DOJ Imposes $9.9M Penalty for Montana Man Who [in 2018] Targeted Communities & Candidates with Illegal (& Racist) Robocalls

Robocalls were focused on ‘xenophobic’ statements in communities dealing with tragedies

A federal court in Montana last week imposed a nearly $10 million penalty against a Libby man who sent thousands of harassing and malicious spoofed robocalls that targeted people and communities in several states specifically following tragedies that included people’s murders.

“In placing thousands of harassing and malicious spoofing calls to consumers across the country, Rhodes showed a blatant disregard to caller ID and telephone consumer protection laws designed to prevent this sort of conduct,” District of Montana U.S. Attorney Jesse Laslovich said in a statement.

According to the FCC and U.S. Department of Justice, Rhodes would spoof local numbers and use recorded messages to target specific communities in Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Iowa and Virginia in 2018 with nearly 5,000 robocalls made with false caller identification information.

When self-avowed neo-Nazi James Fields Jr., was arrested for running over and killing Heather Heyer with a vehicle during a protest against the Unite the Right white supremacist rally in Charlottesville, Va., Rhodes sent robocalls to the area making racist statements about the city’s mayor and police chief and denigrating statements about Heyer.

Rhodes ... also spoofed robocalls attacking gubernatorial candidates in Florida and Georgia.

See also:

Racist robocall targets Andrew Gillum in Florida governor's race

Know and Believe the Truth

“Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the gatekeeper opens. The sheep hear his voice, and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice. A stranger they will not follow, but they will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers.”
“So Jesus again said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep. All who came before me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them. I am the door. If anyone enters by me, he will be saved and will go in and out and find pasture. The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly.’” (John 10:1-5,7-10 ESV)

The sheepfold is a gathering of the sheep (followers of Jesus Christ), i.e. a gathering of the church, the body of Christ. The way in which we enter into this gathering of sheep, so that we are one of the sheep, is via genuine God-gifted and God-persuaded faith in Jesus Christ whereby we are crucified with Christ in death to sin and raised with Christ to walk in newness of life in him, no longer to live as slaves to sin, but now as slaves to God and to his righteousness. So we are not to let sin be in control in our lives anymore.

But there are those who are not Jesus’ true sheep who disguise themselves as though they are his sheep in order to deceive the people of God. And these are called “wolves in sheep’s clothing.” And in this passage of Scripture they are referred to as thieves and robbers and strangers and as hired hands who care nothing for the sheep (vv. 1-13). For these are false shepherds of the sheep who today are leading many people to a false half-truth gospel which alters the character of God, his church, and the gospel message.

Jesus Christ is both the one who enters by the door, who is the true shepherd of the sheep, and he is that door. And God the Father is the gatekeeper who opens that door. For the door is the way into heaven with God, into salvation from sin, and into eternal life with God. And Jesus is the one who made the way for us to enter into fellowship with God/Jesus Christ, which is the way of the cross. And the way of the cross is death to sin and following our Lord in walks of obedience to him (Romans 6:1-23).

And if we are the Lord’s true sheep, by God-persuaded faith in Jesus Christ, who have died with him to sin and who are living to his righteousness in obedience to his commands (New Covenant), then we should be those who are listening to the Lord, and who are walking in his ways in holy living, and who are discerning the lies of these false shepherds of the people who are deceiving the masses into believing that they can “believe” in Jesus and be on their way to heaven, but regardless of how they live.

And we should, thus, not be people who are following after these “wolves in sheep’s clothing” who are leading the people to believe that a mere profession of faith in Jesus Christ, or just “praying the prayer,” will be enough to secure them salvation from all sin and eternal life with God in heaven. But we should be students of the Scriptures who study them in their full context, and who understand that true faith in Christ is to result in us dying to sin daily and us walking in obedience to our Lord in holy living.

For it is true that these thieves and liars and manipulators of truth, who are out to deceive the masses, are out to steal, kill, and destroy. For they are of Satan, and they are leading the masses to believe in a false gospel message which, if they follow it, will land them in hell, and not in heaven. For if sin is what we practice, and not righteousness, and not obedience to our Lord, we will die in our sins. We will not inherit eternal life with God, regardless of what we have professed with our lips. So please know and believe the truth.

[Matt 7:21-23; Lu 9:23-26; Jn 6:35-58; Jn 15:1-11; Rom 1:18-32; Rom 2:6-8; Rom 6:1-23; Rom 8:1-14; Rom 12:1-2; 1 Co 6:9-10,19-20; 1 Co 10:1-22; 2 Co 5:10,15,21; Gal 5:16-24; Gal 6:7-8; Eph 2:8-10; Eph 4:17-32; Eph 5:3-6; Col 1:21-23; Col 3:1-17; Titus 2:11-14; 1 Jn 1:5-10; 1 Jn 2:3-6,24-25; 1 Jn 3:4-10; 1 Pet 2:24; Heb 3:1-19; Heb 4:1-13; Heb 10:23-31; Heb 12:1-2; Rev 21:8,27; Rev 22:14-15]

A Believer’s Prayer

An Original Work / July 31, 2012

With my whole heart, Lord, I pray
To be Yours, and Yours always.
Lead me in Your truth today.
May I love You, and obey.
Lead me in Your righteousness.
When I sin, may I confess;
Bow before You when I pray;
Live for You and You always.

Love You, Jesus, You’re my friend.
Life with You will never end.
You are with me through each day,
Giving love and peace always.
You will ne’er abandon me.
From my sin You set me free.
You died on that cruel tree,
So I’d live eternally.

Soon You’re coming back for me;
From this world to set me free;
Live with You eternally.
Oh, what joy that brings to me.
I will walk with You in white;
A pure bride, I’ve been made right
By the blood of Jesus Christ;
Pardoned by His sacrifice.

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Should a Christian person date a person they are not sexually attracted to ?

Christians date with the intentions of marriage so with that being said should a Christian person date a person they are not sexually attracted to even when they are celibate until marriage. Considering the person has good Godly qualities and they connect

New Propellantless Propulsion Drive - That Physics Says Shouldn’t Work - Just Produced Enough Thrust to Overcome Earth’s Gravity | The Debrief

NASA Veteran’s Propellantless Propulsion Drive - That Physics Says Shouldn’t Work - Just Produced Enough Thrust to Overcome Earth’s Gravity - The Debrief

If this turns out to be true, then it would be revolutionary. It uses electric fields based on electrostatics. Once a drive is charged up then the force remains.

Is this Cold Fusion for rockets? Too good to be true because it isn't true? Too early to tell, but something to keep an eye on.

ChatGPT Summary of Key Points:

1. **Discovery of Propellantless Propulsion**: Dr. Charles Buhler, a NASA engineer and co-founder of Exodus Propulsion Technologies, has developed a propulsion drive that seemingly defies known physics laws, producing enough thrust to counteract Earth's gravity.

2. **Nature of the Discovery**: Buhler emphasizes that their discovery represents a fundamental breakthrough, utilizing electric fields to generate sustainable force without expelling mass.

3. **Background and Expertise**: Buhler's background in electrostatics and extensive experience with NASA's programs contributes to his understanding of this new force.

4. **Development Process**: Over two decades, Buhler's team explored various avenues before settling on electrostatics as the key. They meticulously conducted experiments, eliminating alternative explanations and obtaining a patent in 2020.

5. **Breakthrough Thrust Measurement**: Between 2022 and 2023, the propulsion drive exhibited significant thrust increases, eventually surpassing one full Earth gravity.

6. **Nature of the Force**: Buhler explains that asymmetry in electrostatic pressure or fields can generate force on an object, marking a departure from traditional propulsion methods.

7. **Comparison with Other Concepts**: While similar concepts exist, Buhler's team claims their work explains effects observed in other propulsion drives.

8. **Future Directions**: The team seeks funding for space tests to further understand the force and its implications, potentially addressing complex scientific questions.

9. **Implications for Science**: Buhler hopes their discovery will spur scientific inquiry into phenomena such as dark energy and space/time.

10. **Call for Collaboration**: Buhler invites companies interested in propellantless propulsion to explore licensing opportunities, emphasizing the need for expertise in electrostatics.

11. **Conclusion**: The discovery presents a significant opportunity for scientific exploration, with implications reaching beyond propulsion into fundamental physics questions.

Iran strikes Israel and Israel responds

We saw the attack by Iran on Israel...
'CNN — Almost all the ballistic missiles and drones Iran launched at Israel in an unprecedented attack late Saturday were intercepted and failed to meet their mark, according to Israeli and American officials, highlighting the formidable, and multi-layered missile defense deployed by the two allied partners.

Most of the more than 300 Iranian munitions, the majority of which are believed to have been launched from inside of Iran’s territory during a five-hour attack, were intercepted before they got to Israel, more than 1,100 miles (1,770 kilometers) from their launch points.'.... https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/14/midd...le-defense-iran-attack-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

Now Israel has responded and interestingly hit beside where a Nuclear facility is located as Iran is enriching uranium almost to the level needed for Nuclear Weapons........its getting to that..

'Israel carried out limited strikes in Iran early Friday in retaliation for Tehran firing a barrage of missiles and drones at Israel last Saturday.

Here are the key facts you need to know about the latest escalation of violence between the two countries.

Fox News confirmed there have been explosions in Iran's Isfahan province, which is where Natanz, one of Iran's nuclear facilities, is located.

A well-placed military source has told Fox News that the strike was "limited."

Israel strikes back at Iran: Five key questions

Columbia University student demonstrator taken away on stretcher as anti-Israel protests rage on

The students are demanding the university divest from Israel.
“We demand that Columbia sever academic ties with Israeli universities and we demand that Columbia stop censoring and intimidating students who are standing up and advocating for Palestinian liberation,” one student yelled through the gate to the crowd that had gathered on the other side outside of campus.

What you teach children does matter.

The Hebrew Alphabet

The first word of the Hebrew text of Genesis is “בראשית” (Bereshit). Traditionally vocalized, it means “In a beginning.” However, tradition gives it the meaning and translation “In the beginning.” The literal meaning is considered as contradicting reality.

Interestingly, when we delve deeper into the Hebrew letters that compose this word, we discover profound insights:

  1. Tav, Yud, Shin, Alef, Resh, Beit:
    • These are the Hebrew letters that form Bereshit (בראשית).
    • Let’s explore their meanings:
      • Beit (ב): The first letter represents a house in Hebrew. In the Torah, the enlarged first letter emphasizes that the foundation of the world is focused on God’s house.
      • Alef (א): The first letter of the Hebrew alphabet, representing Elohim (God). Elohim is the plural form of El and is the first name for God given in the Torah.
      • Shin (שׁ): It has various meanings, including “thorns” and “appointed.” Thorns symbolize the crown of thorns worn by Jesus, and “appointed” refers to the Son’s purpose.
      • Resh (ר): Represents the “head.” It signifies authority and leadership.
      • Beit (ב): Again, the letter for “house.”
    • Combining these meanings, we get:
      • “The Son of God, crowned with thorns upon His head, on a tree, a gift of the covenant.”
  2. A Deeper Interpretation:
    • The literal translation of the first sentence in the Bible can be understood as:
      • “In the beginning, God created the Hebrew alphabet, and then He created the heavens and the earth.”

'The Pressure Is Working': Biden Weighs Climate Emergency Declaration

Climate campaigners have praised the Biden administration for parts of the Inflation Reduction Act and a recent pause on liquefied natural gas exports but blasted the president for skipping last year's United Nations summit, continuing fossil fuel lease sales, and enabling the Mountain Valley Pipeline, Willow oil project, and construction of the nation's largest offshore oil terminal.
Perhaps just after the election the administration will limit each individual to one airline flight per year with anything over having to meet administration criteria. They too could limit the miles for gasoline powered vehicles, and perhaps eliminate gas mowers and stoves/ovens.

Why Everyone Needs An AR-15

The following video walks through the history of advancements in long guns, from the hand cannon to the AR-15.

It details the importance of not endangering the weakest of our people, by forcing them to defend their own lives with "old," "clunky," "difficult to use," "relics."

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我们有了一种分享灵修的新方式,要查看我所有的中文/英文灵修以及成百上千的英文灵修,请点击以下链接。

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Daniel 9:17-19– Now therefore, O our God, listen to the prayer of your servant and to his pleas for mercy, and for your own sake, O Lord, make your face to shine upon your sanctuary, which is desolate. O my God, incline your ear and hear. Open your eyes and see our desolations, and the city that is called by your name. For we do not present our pleas before you because of our righteousness, but because of your great mercy. O Lord, hear; O Lord, forgive. O Lord, pay attention and act. Delay not, for your own sake, O my God, because your city and your people are called by your name.”

但以理书第9章-但9:17】我们的 神啊,现在求你垂听仆人的祈祷恳求,为自己使脸光照你荒凉的圣所。【但9:18】我的 神啊,求你侧耳而听,睁眼而看,眷顾我们荒凉之地和称为你名下的城。我们在你面前恳求,原不是因自己的义,乃因你的大怜悯。【但9:19】求主垂听,求主赦免,求主应允而行,为你自己不要迟延。我的 神啊,因这城和这民,都是称为你名下的。”

Continue to lift up our church, thanks be to God for allowing us to serve him in relative freedom.

请继续为我们的教会祷告,感谢上帝让我们在相对自由的环境中事奉他。

Thank God for Pastor Z and his wife, pray for him, he shepherds five churches.

感谢上帝赐给了牧师 Z 和他的妻子,为他们祈祷,他牧养着五个教会。

Pray for the seven small groups as they meet daily and weekly. Pray especially for the group leaders, all are women. Pray for many men to be activated to lead these groups.

为七个小组祷告,因为他们每天和每周都聚会。特别为小组的领袖祷告,她们都是女性。祈求许多男性能够被圣灵感动领导这些小组。

Please pray for the sisters who have unsaved husbands, keep praying for the salvation of many of these dear men, especially Hur, Fung and others.

请为那些有未信主丈夫的姐妹们祷告,持续为这些亲爱的人的得救祈祷,特别是胡(Hur)、冯(Fung)等人。

Continue to pray for our little prayer meeting at 8pm every evening, please join us at that time in your time zone.

请继续为我们每晚 8 点的小祷告会祷告,请在你所在的时区加入我们。

Please pray for X, she loves to dance and sing, she uses these gifts to form a dancing group and shares the gospel. Please pray for her as she is not well educated but loves to share gospel and to dance.

请为 X 祷告,她喜欢跳舞和唱歌,她利用这些恩赐组建了一个舞蹈团队并分享福音。请为她祷告,因为她受过的教育不多,但喜欢分享福音和跳舞。

Please pray for LP, a group leader, who holds many meetings and serves God fervently, but who is a bit like Martha, always serving. Many co-workers alienate their husbands/children by constant service. Please pray that God may give them the wisdom of balance.

请为 LP 祷告,她是一个小组领袖,组织许多聚会并热切事奉上帝,但有点像马大,总是在事奉。许多同工因为过多地侍奉而疏远了他们的丈夫/孩子。求神赐给他们平衡的智慧。

Pray for establishment of powerful Christian homes, where the whole house is serving the Lord, usually one of the people in the house is saved.

祈求建立有力的基督徒家庭,在这样的家庭中,整个家庭都在事奉主,通常家庭中只有一位是得救的。

Pray for our young people, we have several teenagers in the church, please pray they would follow Christ, with their whole heart.

为我们的年轻人祈祷,我们的教会有几个青少年,请祷告他们全心跟随基督。

Please pray for E, my dear student, she is 15. Her father J has lost his job, he is very technically gifted at repairing things, also his wife A, suffers some ill health. They have had to move house recently. Keep this dear family in prayer. E is very gifted and has God’s deep anointing on her life. Pray also as she starts an online course of study.

请为 E 祷告,我的亲爱学生,她今年 15 岁。她的父亲 J 失去了工作,他在修理事物方面很有技术天赋,他的妻子 A 有些健康问题。他们最近不得不搬家。请继续为这个亲爱的家庭祈祷。E 非常有才华,上帝在她的生命中有深深的恩膏。也请为她开始的在线学习课程祈祷。

Please pray for her friend and Christian sister H, who is seeking God’s will for her life.

请为她的朋友和基督徒姐妹 H 祷告,她正在寻求上帝对她生命的旨意。



These people are real people, I only give their initials to protect their identity.

这些人都是真实存在的,我只给出他们名字的首字母以保护他们的身份。

The real presence of the Lord, Jesus Christ, in holy communion.

I believe that all of the ancient churches (Catholic, Orthodox, Oriental Orthodox, and some others) accept and teach the real presence of the Lord, Jesus Christ, in holy communion.

Catholics believe and teach that the elements of bread & wine are changed during the Eucharistic Prayer. The change is called transubstantiation among Catholics.

John Paul II wrote an encyclical entitled "ECCLESIA DE EUCHARISTIA", available here Ecclesia de Eucharistia (17 April 2003) | John Paul II, in which is written:
15. The sacramental re-presentation of Christ's sacrifice, crowned by the resurrection, in the Mass involves a most special presence which – in the words of Paul VI – “is called 'real' not as a way of excluding all other types of presence as if they were 'not real', but because it is a presence in the fullest sense: a substantial presence whereby Christ, the God-Man, is wholly and entirely present”.22 This sets forth once more the perennially valid teaching of the Council of Trent: “the consecration of the bread and wine effects the change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord, and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. And the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called this change transubstantiation”.23 Truly the Eucharist is a mysterium fidei, a mystery which surpasses our understanding and can only be received in faith, as is often brought out in the catechesis of the Church Fathers regarding this divine sacrament: “Do not see – Saint Cyril of Jerusalem exhorts – in the bread and wine merely natural elements, because the Lord has expressly said that they are his body and his blood: faith assures you of this, though your senses suggest otherwise”.24
Adoro te devote, latens Deitas, we shall continue to sing with the Angelic Doctor. Before this mystery of love, human reason fully experiences its limitations. One understands how, down the centuries, this truth has stimulated theology to strive to understand it ever more deeply.
These are praiseworthy efforts, which are all the more helpful and insightful to the extent that they are able to join critical thinking to the “living faith” of the Church, as grasped especially by the Magisterium's “sure charism of truth” and the “intimate sense of spiritual realities”25 which is attained above all by the saints. There remains the boundary indicated by Paul VI: “Every theological explanation which seeks some understanding of this mystery, in order to be in accord with Catholic faith, must firmly maintain that in objective reality, independently of our mind, the bread and wine have ceased to exist after the consecration, so that the adorable body and blood of the Lord Jesus from that moment on are really before us under the sacramental species of bread and wine”.26
This thread is intended for discussion about the real presence. If you or your denomination teach a metaphorical or symbolic presence then this thread is not for you.

Israel aghast as US said poised to sanction IDF unit with history of abuses

“At a time when our soldiers are fighting terrorist monsters, the intention to issue sanctions against a unit in the IDF is the height of absurdity and a moral low,” he (Netanyahu) added, committing to fight the move.
Centrist war cabinet minister Benny Gantz joined the criticism, saying the infantry unit was “an integral part of the IDF” and was bound by military and international law. He added that Israel has “strong and independent” courts capable of dealing with alleged violations.
“We have great respect for our American friends, but imposing sanctions on the unit is a dangerous precedent and sends the wrong message to our shared enemies at a time of war,” Gantz said, while pledging to “take action so this decision does not pass.”

People need to be deeply concerned about foreign influences on our country. The Biden administration, in fact the Democratic Party, as well as our universities have been infiltrated by those pushing radical Islam and those pushing spinoffs of Marxism. Countries from Qatar to China have tried to undermine our government. The U.S. is in absolutely no position to dictate to any country's military, let alone a country that was attacked in such a savage manner. It seems like foreign interference is behind this ill-advised decision by the Biden administration.

Given The Bird For Sharing The Gospel

Out at Medina Square with my friend doing some sign evangelism and this one lady got convicted by one of the signs and drove off. Then, 30 minutes later, she drives on by again, as we were about to pray for her, this time calling us losers giving us the big 'ole 'L' sign (Though, I didn't get the 'L' captured on camera). Some people are more vocal about their hate for Jesus than others...

Apostolic Authority

(Not what you might think. I like how this teaches. It puts to rest any arguments about other so called "revelations" in addition to the Bible, or any authority of any man in place of Scripture, or adding to Scripture, other than anointed preaching and teaching that corresponds with the Scriptures.)

Apostolic Authority

Benjamin B. Warfield (1851-1921)

Christianity is often called a book-religion. It would be more exact to say that it is a religion that has a book. Its foundations are laid in apostles and prophets, upon which its courses are built up in the sanctified lives of men; but Christ Jesus alone is its chief cornerstone. He is its only basis; He, its only Head; and He alone has authority in His church. But He has chosen to found His church not directly by His own hands, speaking the word of God, say for instance, in thunder-tones from heaven; but through the instrumentality of a body of apostles, chosen and trained by Himself, endowed with gifts and graces from the Holy Ghost, and sent forth into the world as His authoritative agents for proclaiming a gospel that He placed within their lips and which is none the less His authoritative Word, that it is through them that He speaks it. It is because the apostles were Christ’s representatives that what they did and said and wrote as such comes to us with divine authority. The authority of the Scriptures thus rests on the simple fact that God’s authoritative agents in founding the church gave them as authoritative to the church that they founded. All the authority of the apostles stands behind the Scriptures, and all the authority of Christ behind the apostles. The Scriptures are simply the law code that the lawgivers of the church gave it.

If, then, the apostles were appointed by Christ to act for Him and in His name and authority in founding the church (and this no one can doubt); and if the apostles gave the Scriptures to the church in prosecution of this commission (and this admits of as little doubt), then the whole question of the authority of the Scriptures is determined. It will be observed that their authority does not rest exactly on apostolic authorship. The point is not that the apostles wrote these books (though most of the New Testament books were written by apostles), but that they imposed them on the church as authoritative expositions of its divinely appointed faith and practice. Still less does the authority of the Scriptures rest on the authority of the church. The church may bear witness to what she received from the apostles as law, but this is not giving authority to that law but humbly recognizing the authority that rightfully belongs to it, whether the church recognizes it or not. The puzzle that some people fall into here is something like mistaking the relative “authority” of the guidepost and the road; the guidepost may point us to the right road, but it does not give its rightness to the road. It has not “determined” the road—it is the road that has “determined” the guide-post; and unless the road goes of itself to its destination, the guidepost has no power to determine its direction. So, the church does not “determine” the Scriptures but the Scriptures the church. Nor does it avail to say in opposition that the church existed before the Scriptures and therefore cannot depend on them. The point is, whether the Scriptures are a product of the church or rather of the authority that founded the church. The church certainly did not exist before the authority that Christ gave the apostles to found it, in virtue of which they have imposed the Scriptures on it as law.

Apostolicity thus determines the authority of Scripture; any book or body of books that were given to the church by the apostles as law must always remain of divine authority in the church. That the apostles thus gave the church the whole Old Testament, which they had themselves received from their fathers as God’s Word written, admits of no doubt and is not doubted. That they gradually added to this body of old law an additional body of new law is equally patent. In part, this is determined directly by their own extant testimony. Thus, Peter places Paul’s epistles beside the Scriptures of the Old Testament as equally with them law to Christians (2Pe 3:16); and thus Paul places Luke’s Gospel alongside of Deuteronomy (1Ti 5:18). Thus, too, all write with authority (1Co 14:37; 2Co 10:8; 2Th 2:15; 3:6-14)—with an authority that is above that of angels (Gal 1:7-8), and the immediate recognition of which is the test of the possession of the Holy Ghost (1Co 14:37; 2Th 3:6-14). In part, it is left to be determined indirectly from the testimony of the early church; it being no far cry from the undoubting universal acceptance of a book as authoritative by the church of the apostolic age, to the apostolic gift of it as authoritative to that church. But by one way or another, it is easily shown that all the books that now constitute our Bible and which Christians, from that day to this, have loyally treated as their divinely prescribed
book of law, no more and no fewer, were thus imposed on the church as its divinely authoritative rule of faith and practice.

Now it goes, of course, without saying, that the apostles were not given this supreme authority as legislators to the church without preparation for their high functions, without previous instruction in the mind of Christ, without safeguards thrown about them in the prosecution of their task, without the accompanying guidance of the Holy Spirit. And nothing is more noticeable in the writings that they have given the church than the claim that they pervasively make: in giving them, they are acting only as the agents of Christ; and those who wrote them, wrote in the Spirit of Christ. What Paul writes he represents to be “the commandments of the Lord” (1Co 14:37), which he therefore transmits in the name of the Lord (2Th 3:6); and the gospel that Peter preached was proclaimed in the Holy Ghost (1Pe 1:12). Every Scripture of the Old Testament is inspired by God (2Ti 3:16), and the New Testament is equally Scripture with the Old (1Ti 5:18); all prophecy of Scripture came from men who spake from God, being moved by the Holy Ghost (2Pe 1:20); and Paul’s epistles differ from these older writings only in being “other”—that is, newer Scriptures of like kind (2Pe 3:16). When we consider the promises of supernatural guidance that Christ made to His apostles (Mat 10:19-20; Mar 8:11; Luk 21:14; Joh 14 and 16), in connection with their claim to speak with divine authority even when writing (1Co 14:37; 2Th 3:6), and their conjunction of their writings with the Old Testament Scriptures as equally divine with them, we cannot fail to perceive that the apostles claim to be attended in their work of giving law to God’s church by prevailing superintending grace from the Holy Spirit. This is what is called inspiration. It does not set aside the human authorship of the books. But it also puts a divine authorship behind the human. It ascribes to the authors such an attending influence of the Spirit in the process of writing that the words they set down also become the words of God; and the resultant writing is made not merely the expression of Paul’s or John’s or Peter’s will for the churches, but the expression of God’s will. In receiving these books from the apostles as law, therefore, the church has always received them not only as books given by God’s agents, but as books so given by God through those agents that every word of them is God’s Word.

Let it be observed that the proof of the authority of the Scriptures does not rest on a previous proof of their inspiration. Even an uninspired law is law. But when inspiration has once been shown to be fact, it comes mightily to the reinforcement of their authority. God speaks to us now, in Scripture, not only mediately through His representatives, but directly through the Scriptures themselves as His inspired Word. The Scriptures thus become the crystallization of God’s authoritative will. We will not say that Christianity might not have been founded, propagated, and preserved without inspired writings or even without any written embodiment of the authoritative apostolic teaching. Wherever Christ is known through whatever means, there is Christianity, and men may hear, believe, and be saved. But God has caused His grace to abound to us in that He not only published redemption through Christ in the world but gave this preachment authoritative expression through the apostles; [He] fixed it with infallible trustworthiness in His inspired Word. Thus, in every age, God speaks directly to every Christian heart and gives us abounding safety to our feet and divine security to our souls. And thus, instead of a mere record of a revelation given in the past, we have the ever-living Word of God; instead of a mere tradition however guarded, we have what we have all learned to call in a unique sense “the Scriptures.”

From a short essay published in the Westminster Teacher, September 1889.

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Benjamin Breckinridge Warfield (1851-1921): Presbyterian professor of theology at Princeton Seminary; born near Lexington, KY, USA.



The apostles themselves have passed to their eternal reward, but we have their authoritative writings. In these writings, we still hear the apostles speaking with a power that was invested in them exclusively. No man today possesses the authority of, say, the Apostle Paul. Only such an one could write to the church of God at Corinth and say, “What will ye? shall I come unto you with a rod [a scepter of authority], or in love, and in the spirit of meekness?” (1Co 4:21). The divine authority conferred upon Paul (and, of course, the same is true of all the other apostles) ended with his death…Writings given by inspiration through [the apostles] possess a permanent authority. “For the prophecy came not in old
time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost” (2Pe 1:21). The words of the New Testament possess for the church of God today all the authority of faraway apostolic times.—Arthur W. Pink

Jesus marveled at the humility of the Roman centurion who said, “For I also am a man set under authority, having under me soldiers, and I say unto one, Go, and he goeth; and to another, Come, and he cometh; and to my servant, Do this, and he doeth it” (Luke 7:8). While possessing authority to command others, he himself was under superior authority. In reading the New Testament, we must ever remember that while the apostles with authority commanded, charged, ordained, and willed, they were under the supreme authority of Christ. As the authority of the Roman centurion, an officer over one hundred men, was only the expression of the authority of his general, even so, divine authority expressed in the writings of these holy men is but the transmission through them of the absolute authority of the risen Christ and Lord, the supreme authority to be obeyed.—Arthur W. Pink

Paul says that Christians “are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets” (Eph 2:20). Now you and I are built upon that foundation. We do not regard as authoritative anything that has been said subsequent to the New Testament canon. Here is our foundation, and we do not accept any teaching of any church or of any tradition as being divinely inspired. This is the basis, and the church is to be built upon this teaching because of its unique authority.—
David Martyn Lloyd-Jones

If TWO of you agree, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven

By itself, is this a universally true conditional proposition?

No, experiences tell us no. Let's see the context, Mat 18:

15“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone.
That's Step #1.

If he listens to you, you have gained your brother.
Step #2:

16 But if he does not listen, take** one or two** others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses.
Step #3:

17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
Jesus was talking about the importance of two or three witnesses. Similarly:

19 Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. 20For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I among them.”
Jesus applied the two-or-three-witnesses rule to praying. There is a second condition: "in my name". If the two or three of you agree and if they pray according to Jesus' name, i.e., according to Jesus, then it will be done for them by the Father.

See Whatever you ask IN MY NAME.
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Why are we not really really disgusted by some of our sins ?

Hi,

So we all sin, even though we are christians.
Just think of the sins you do and ask urself.
Why are we not really really disgusted by some of our sins ?
For men, most men enjoy watching p*rn, it is sin, we should be disgusted by it, but honestly we are not. Why is this ?
Can't God somehow zap our mind after prayer, so we are really really disgusted by it ? Like how most of us are disgusted by eating rotten meat ?
If u are really really disgusted by something u will easily not want to do it no more, not sin no more.

Br,

Republicans Erupt Into Open Warfare (But check out these paragraphs)

"Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.
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Republicans erupt into open warfare over Ukraine aid package vote

As the speaker of the House finally allows a vote to go forward on aid, GOP infighting is tearing apart the party

Republican divisions over military support for Ukraine were long simmering. Now, before Saturday’s extraordinary vote in Congress on a foreign aid package, they have erupted into open warfare – a conflict that the vote itself is unlikely to contain.
Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House of Representatives, triggered an all-out split in his own party’s ranks last week by finally agreeing, after months of stalling, to a floor vote on the $95bn foreign aid programme. Passed by the Senate in February, it contained about $60bn for Ukraine, $14bn for Israel, and a smaller amount for Taiwan and other Pacific allies.

Johnson’s decision to finally bring the package to a vote made a highly symbolic break with the GOP’s far right, the people who engineered his elevation to the speaker’s chair last October after toppling his predecessor, Kevin McCarthy. These Republican rightwingers – reflecting the affinity of their political idol, the former president Donald Trump, for the Russian president, Vladimir Putin – have grown openly hostile to Ukraine’s cause.

Speaking from the Capitol on Thursday, Johnson made no apologies for antagonising them, telling C-SPAN that providing aid to Ukraine was “critically important” and “the right thing” despite the potential power of his opponents to bring him down in yet another internal party coup.


“I really believe the intel and the briefings that we’ve gotten,” Johnson said. “I believe that Xi and Vladimir Putin and Iran really are an axis of evil. I think they are in coordination on this. I think that Vladimir Putin would continue to march through Europe.

“I am going to allow an opportunity for every single member of the House to vote their conscience and their will,” he said, adding: “I’m willing to take a personal risk for that, because we have to do the right thing. And history will judge us.”

The backlash was fierce. Marjorie Taylor Greene, the outspoken Georgia representative, immediately filed a resolution demanding Johnson’s removal, called the bill a “sham”.

“I don’t care if the speaker’s office becomes a revolving door,” Taylor Greene told Steve Bannon, Trump’s former adviser, on his War Room channel. “The days are over of the old Republican party that wants to fund foreign wars and murder people in foreign lands while they stab the American people in their face and refuse to protect Americans and fix our problems.”

Branded “Moscow Marjorie” by former Republican representative Ken Buck, who said she gets her talking points from the Kremlin, Taylor Greene went further by accusing Ukraine of waging “a war against Christianity”.

“The Ukrainian government is attacking Christians, the Ukrainian government is executing priests,” she said. “Russia is not doing that. They’re not attacking Christianity.” (In fact, according to figures from the Institute for Religious Freedom, a Ukrainian group, at least 630 religious sites had been damaged or looted in Russia’s invasion by December last year.)

Taylor Greene’s move to oust Johnson was supported by the Kentucky representative Thomas Massie, who also backed an ultimately successful attempt to remove a previous Republican speaker, John Boehner, nearly a decade ago.

Other Republican rightwingers are unhappy, too, though they have so far stopped short of moving to topple the speaker. That might be because Trump, the party’s presumptive nominee for president who is currently on trial on fraud charges relating to paying hush money to keep American voters from learning about his alleged affair with an adult film star, has backed Johnson.

So have all four Republican chairs of the key House committees – foreign affairs, intelligence, armed services and appropriations - a position driven by the sheer urgency of Ukraine’s predicament.


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90-year-old Lake Alfred city commissioner arrested on 300 counts of child sexual imagery: Affidavit

Charles Lake, 90, was arrested on Thursday afternoon and charged with 300 counts of child [sexual imagery].

According to his arrest affidavit, deputies with the Polk County Sheriff's Office served a warrant at his Lake Alfred home at around 12:58 p.m. on Thursday where he admitted to possessing child [XXX] on his computer.

Is a Religious Backlash being Prepared by Trump?

I was watching Walter Veith given his description of the end times when he showed a series of videos on what is being given and this came up...

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I was shocked as it was something that a Revelation Series would show or you would find on Amazing Facts or Amazing Discoveries. It seems they took it right out of our evangelistic series, or Adventist sermon of End Time Events, incredible.

Pray The Holy Spirit sends Christian Missionaries & Medical Missionaries to war-torn Sudan in order to spread Jesus Christ's Gospel of Peace & Protect

Pray The Holy Spirit sends Christian Missionaries & Medical Missionaries to war-torn Sudan in order to spread Jesus Christ's Gospel of Peace & Protection:

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