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Where were they taken?

Where shall they be taken?

  • Into the clouds in the rapture

    Votes: 4 40.0%
  • Into destruction

    Votes: 6 60.0%
  • To a place where dead bodies are laying around

    Votes: 1 10.0%

Luke 17:26-27 KJV
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

Matthew 24:39-41 KJV
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Luke 17:34-37 KJV
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him,
Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles* be gathered together.
*vultures


Luke 17:28-30 KJV
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
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I don't know what to do

Before I got saved I just worked, play video games, hung out with friends, and slept. Obviously I can't do that as much anymore, I don't think God wants me to abandon these things but give them less time. So what should I do because I can only read the Bible so much before I get overwhelmed, I could talk to God but the longer I do it the more mental fog I develop (which I why I can't/find it difficult to pray in the morning) and praying for several hours as a new believer seems impossible to me so I have a decent amount of free time so what should I do?

The Bible

What do Catholics think of the bible?

We think thus: Through the sacred scriptures and in His goodness and wisdom God chose to reveal Himself and to make known to us the hidden purpose of His will (see Eph. 1:9) by which through Christ, the Word made flesh, man might in the Holy Spirit have access to the Father and come to share in the divine nature (see Eph. 2:18; 2 Peter 1:4).

And where does God reveal himself? In sacred scripture. Through this revelation, therefore, the invisible God (see Col. 1;15, 1 Tim. 1:17) out of the abundance of His love speaks to men as friends (see Ex. 33:11; John 15:14-15) and lives among them (see Bar. 3:38), so that He may invite and take them into fellowship with Himself.

And in history and creation too, God reveals himself. God, who through the Word creates all things (see John 1:3) and keeps them in existence, gives men an enduring witness to Himself in created realities (see Rom. 1:19-20). Planning to make known the way of heavenly salvation, He went further and from the start manifested Himself to our first parents. Then after their fall His promise of redemption aroused in them the hope of being saved (see Gen. 3:15) and from that time on He ceaselessly kept the human race in His care, to give eternal life to those who perseveringly do good in search of salvation (see Rom. 2:6-7). Then, at the time He had appointed He called Abraham in order to make of him a great nation (see Gen. 12:2). Through the patriarchs, and after them through Moses and the prophets, He taught this people to acknowledge Himself the one living and true God, provident father and just judge, and to wait for the Savior promised by Him, and in this manner prepared the way for the Gospel down through the centuries.

Why does God reveal himself to us? This plan of revelation is realized by deeds and words having an inner unity: the deeds wrought by God in the history of salvation manifest and confirm the teaching and realities signified by the words, while the words proclaim the deeds and clarify the mystery contained in them. By this revelation then, the deepest truth about God and the salvation of man shines out for our sake in Christ, who is both the mediator and the fullness of all revelation.

Then, after speaking in many and varied ways through the prophets, "now at last in these days God has spoken to us in His Son" (Heb. 1:1-2). For He sent His Son, the eternal Word, who enlightens all men, so that He might dwell among men and tell them of the innermost being of God (see John 1:1-18). Jesus Christ, therefore, the Word made flesh, was sent as "a man to men." He "speaks the words of God" (John 3;34), and completes the work of salvation which His Father gave Him to do (see John 5:36; John 17:4). To see Jesus is to see His Father (John 14:9). For this reason Jesus perfected revelation by fulfilling it through his whole work of making Himself present and manifesting Himself: through His words and deeds, His signs and wonders, but especially through His death and glorious resurrection from the dead and final sending of the Spirit of truth. Moreover He confirmed with divine testimony what revelation proclaimed, that God is with us to free us from the darkness of sin and death, and to raise us up to life eternal.

The Christian dispensation, therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass away and we now await no further new public revelation before the glorious manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ (see 1 Tim. 6:14 and Tit. 2:13).
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A Conservative Republican Explains Why He Will Vote for Harris and Walz


Adam Kinzinger, a former Republican lawmaker, explains at the Democratic
National Convention, why he will be voting for the Democratic presidential ticket.

And, he urges conservative Republicans who value law and order, and the
Democratic institutions, to do the same.

Kinsinger represents the dilemma of conservative Republicans, who were
repulsed by the lawless violence demonstrated by MAGA Republicans at the
rioting at the Capital Building. And Kinsinger is clear that he is convinced
that it was Donald Trump who inspired this lawless violence, against
an institution of American democracy.

God vs Satan

Satan has always counterfeited God's creation even Humans.

Here are just a few examples of what God has made & Satan has counterfeited.

God - An unmovable earth
Satan- A movable earth.

God - All plants & trees.
Satan - Plastic Artificial types.

God - Silk, Cotton
Satan - Satin, Nylon

God - Gold
Satan - metal the look like gold

God - Diamonds
Satan - Zirconium

God - Meat
Satan - Lab Grown

Can you come up with anymore ?

My wife got promoted and likely we will never have time for church again

So my wife's been working for Walmart for almost 13 months now and she just recently got promoted and is now making even more than she was before which means that she's getting more hours than she's had before. It was very difficult with her old job for us to attend Church not only because it was an hours drive away but also because she virtually never got a Sunday off even when she applied for one. When she first applied for the job she mentioned that she didn't mind working weekends but that she wanted some Sundays off so that she could attend Church and they said no problem. She was working part time then and in the first year that she worked there she got maybe 4 Sundays off many of them she had to request off.

She started her new full time job Monday and I've barely seen her. She doesn't get another day off until next Monday and Wednesday and she's regularly working 6 sometimes 7 days a week for the foreseeable future. I'm concerned that she will never get another Sunday off again and I want to attend Church to see my church Elder and my church family.

My Elder I can see virtually anytime because often he and his wife will take my wife and I out to dinner. In fact we have plans to eat out sometime in September. But spending time with my Elder who is like my best friend is only part of the reason I like attending church. I also like listening to him preach he gives fantastic sermons every Sunday, I go for communion, I go to spend time with our congregation, I love the hour long car ride there and the hour long car ride back, I go so that my Elder can help me grow as a Christian and help my wife and I shape and mold. Things that just can't be done by regularly contacting him through email.

I don't know what can be done though. I don't want to change churches because for one, our church is the closest PCA church to us and for two, im so close to our Elder and congregation that I don't want to leave even if there was a closer church. I mean, he would always talk to me and probably would always remain friends with me but I like him being the leader of my presbytery he does a fantastic job at it and I really hope he never retires.

And I don't want my wife to quit her job because she makes enough for me to get off of ssi so I'm not bound to the government anymore and I can actually save money and no longer can the government say "sorry you have too much money. You need to spend it all". No longer do I have to deal with my parents trying to encourage me to commit capital fraud and hide money from the government because my grandmother does it and everyone else does it and gets away with it and they're not going to prosecute me for it. No longer do I have to try to explain to them that I'm not worried about the government I'm worried about and obeying God who sees all. No longer do I have to deal with them not getting it and their constant harassment.

So really the only option is for my wife to get fired and be forced to find a new job because my wife really loves her job and loves working there and Walmart appreciates her enough to promote her so they like her too. So unless she does something grossly wrong I don't think that's going to happen. So... I guess I'm just stuck? How do I deal with this?

Salvation from the Catholic View Compared to the Eastern Orthodox View

Are there any big differences in their doctrines regarding this? Is there any risk to a believer for believing either doctrine in the perspective of either Denomination?

From what I have heard. Both denominations believe Salvation is conditional, along with belief that any man can come to the faith by their own will. And that any person can walk away from the faith by their own free will.

There isn't a belief of predestination, or OSAS (Once saved always saved), In either denomination.

If anything I have said is wrong about the beliefs or disbeliefs of either denomination please correct me. I have one question for both, and that is for those who left the faith, can they re-enter back in and be saved, or is that a permanent decision on behalf of the ex-believer?

Need the joy of the Lord

Hi everyone, I would greatly appreciate your prayers. For whatever reason I do not have joy, I have never had it, I had it for about 5 minutes right after I got saved and then it left and has never come back. There must be a very good reason why I do not have it, I have been seeking God for the reason why but no reply so far. I do not have peace either. The bible says that the joy of the Lord is your strength and I lack strength!

Proof of Pre Trib Rapture

During the last years the believers/saints will be overcome and their power and a mass murder of believers will occur. Surely anyone posting here would know that much is true according to the bible. Many martyrs, beheadings, believers fleeing and not being able to preach the gospel freely etc etc

The bible tells us that the gates of hell will not withstand the church, or as some interpret, overcome it.

If the church were here in those last years, then it would be overcome. So it cannot be here if what Jesus said is true.

Have someone ever spoke to you or gave you writings about God's(Jesus Christ) love? ⛑️

Seeing through the lens of Jesus sacrifice for us My interpetation
Matthew 3:2 KJV Matthew 4:19 KJV , John 3:16 KJV ) and God love for us Romans 5: 8 KJV

These scriptures are significant in the kingdom of God, heaven and on earth.

Matthew 3:2 KJV
"And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."

Matthew 4:19 KJV
"And he saith unto them, Follow me, and I will make you fishers of men."

John‬ ‭3:16‬ ‭KJV‬
[16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 5:8 KJV
'But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. '

1 John 5:6 KJV
"This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth."

1 John 5:7 KJV‭
"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Have someone ever spoke to you or gave you writings about God's(Jesus Christ) love?

Written and spoken Word by Reginald Taylor Jr

Democratic delegate robbed at gunpoint during convention


I'm sure counselors rushed to the delegate's aid
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Ann Coulter and Others Mock Walz' Neurodivergent Son for Crying During Dad's Speech

...and Tim Walz lights her up:

ETA: Coulter’s post is real. Walz’ reply is fake.

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Autistic Christian

Hi everyone! I'm an autistic Christian who has been rejected at every church (except one) that I've ever walked into. I'm hoping to find others who have had difficulties with churches not being very accomodating to those with autism. The bible says that we all need fellowship wity each other as well as with God. I'm hoping I can find that here.

GOP Georgia District Chair Kandiss 'Jesus Guns Babies' Taylor: 'The church runs the government, don't elect non-Christians, no freedom of religion'

Republican Chair Says Only Christians Should Be Elected to Government


Kandiss Taylor, the Republican chair of Georgia's 1st congressional district, said on her Jesus, Guns, & Babies show that "we shouldn't be electing anyone in government...who isn't Christian."

In the episode streamed on Rumble on August 17, she told Erik Corcoran, founder of Businesses for Liberty, that "The Constitution is founded on common law; common law comes out of the Bible," adding that the entire premise of the United States' governing rules and structure is related to Jesus and God.

"You can't separate the two," she said of common law and the Bible. She continued: "The idea behind the whole document was that the church runs the state. The church and we the people. We are the church...and so we run the state. But the state, the government, has no control over the church."

Taylor added, "And everybody is like, 'Then you gotta let Satanists come in, and you gotta let witches come in, and you've gotta let Muslims and Hindus.' No, no, we don't.

"I don't have to give you 'freedom' of religion."


I don't need anything from you, Kandiss. I have my constitutional freedom already.

(previously in Jesus Guns Babies)

Am i being condemned?

My pastor says he sees no repentance in my eyes and that I'm not bearing good fruit, so for those reasons he will not let me sing or play piano in church. He says I'm a spiritually dangerous person and a danger to his ministry. Yet I am changed. I'm not perfect and I sin and mess up. But he will not let me worship God through music because of the things I've done recently. But I asked God to forgive me. And I know God wants me to sing because he gave me a gift. And he commands us to sing but I'm not allowed because I used to do marijuana and because I told people about the way he has been doing me therefore I'm a danger to his ministry and can't sing. Am I overreacting or am I being condemned? I need advice
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Transubstantiation

I am not questioning or challenging what we Catholics term "Real Presence" in the Eucharist.
On another thread I expressed a possible need to explain how it occurs.

In the Catechism we find:

1376 The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation."

The problem is "substance".

What do we mean by that term. I don't think the catechism tells us.

In 252 it does say:
The Church uses
(I) the term "substance" (rendered also at times by "essence" or "nature") to designate the divine being in its unity,
(II) the term "person" or "hypostasis" to designate the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the real distinction among them, and
(III) the term "relation" to designate the fact that their distinction lies in the relationship of each to the others.


New Advent tells us:
It is necessary, therefore, to recognize in each thing certain secondary realities (see ACCIDENT) and also a permanent fundamentum which continues to exist notwithstanding the superficial changes, which serves as a basis or support for the secondary realities — what, in a word, we term the substance. Its fundamental characteristic is to be in itself and by itself, and not in another subject as accidents are.



So in the Eucharist we are saying that the substance, the fundamental characteristic is changed even though everything we know to be "bread and wine", breadness and wineness remain. Now, Aristotle and Plato would say that breadness and wineness are the substances. They are all that make bread bread and wine wine. St Thomas kind of twisted their notion of substance in a way they did not intend.

It seems to me that we are really talking about the introduction of Christ's presence, not as a material substance, but as a non material spiritual reality. That would be substance in a conceptual sense, like the substance of an idea, or argument or theory. For example, what is the substance of a person? It would seem to be an enduring conscious personality and center of awareness. Not some transcendent immaterial particle.

The ancient concern about mater and substance no longer seems to serve us in an age where we acknowledge the dynamic change and process of all things around us.
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I feel like God is over me

I know I whined about this earlier this week but I can't shake the feeling, so many Christians have these experiences that draw them back to God and they get to feel God's presense and pull, I haven't. I realized that Free Grace isn't sound doctrine and was scared to go to Hell, no overwhelming emotions, no reaching the end of myself, just I see Hell. I don't wanna go. God can keep me out of Hell. Let me go to him. I know it's selfish and I'm aware that when I believe and trust in him I am saved. But it feels like he isn't there for me. I read the word and feel nothing in me change. I pray and feel nothing. At this point I feel like I need to make terrible decisions so that I can come to end of myself so that God might accept me. All I wanted is to not go to hell and I don't think God wants that for me

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