Zimmerman's bond revoked

[MachZer0]

Yes, the teleport theory seems common around here. Not a legitamate legal strategy but sure does make for entertaining forum posts.

Again, at no point was Zimmerman at any location where did not have a perfectly legal right to be

 

[rturner76]

THe toxology report said there was trace amounts of THC not enough to have had smoked the day of the incident (incidentally)

 

[MachZer0]

THe toxology report said there was trace amounts of THC not enough to have had smoked the day of the incident (incidentally)

As I recall, the toxocology report said there was THC in his system. The Martin family lawyer said it was trace amounts. Remember what Zimmerman said to the 911 call taker. "It looks like he's on drugs or something." Seems Zimmerman is reliable.

 

[rturner76]

THC stays in your system for up to and over a month after ingesting. It wasn't the Martin family lawyer that said he had trace amounts in was the report. The Doctor on the news said the amount would have been consistent with over a week up to a month. What you are saying though does speak to Z's motivation as to why he would want to follow him.

 

[mpok1519]

Specualtion is not circumstantial evidence.

Its reasonable to believe that an armed stranger following someone could invoke fear of threat to their person. That is not speculation, that is common sense, something you have consistently time and time again failed to demonstrate concerning this topic.

The toxocology report

No; marijuana stays in your system for up to a month. This is just evidence that he ingested marijuana within the last month, not within the hours before he was murdered. So tell us another one.

The experts will provide that information to us at the trial if it actually gets that far.

Probably not because it won't be a factor in any relevance to the case. One cannot say "oooh he had marijuana in his system so he must have been out of his mind!"

No, that is just radical baseless presumption without regards to reality.

 

[mpok1519]

Again, at no point was Zimmerman at any location where did not have a perfectly legal right to be

So if Zimmerman was not following Martin, how did he meet up with him to confront him after he asked dispatch if he should follow Martin?

He wasn't following Martin, yet he asked dispatch if he should, and then somehow magically met up face to face with Martin.

Yeah, you are totally forsaking common sense.

Should be an open and shut guilty verdict if they're using your method of defense.

 

[MachZer0]

Its reasonable to believe that an armed stranger following someone could invoke fear of threat to their person. That is not speculation, that is common sense, something you have consistently time and time again failed to demonstrate concerning this topic.

It's specualtion to say that Martin believed he was being followed by an armed man. Zimmmerman was carrying a CNCEALED weapon which was perfectly legal for him to do

No; marijuana stays in your system for up to a month. This is just evidence that he ingested marijuana within the last month, not within the hours before he was murdered. So tell us another one.




Probably not because it won't be a factor in any relevance to the case. One cannot say "oooh he had marijuana in his system so he must have been out of his mind!"

No, that is just radical baseless presumption without regards to reality.

Zimmerman stated that Martin appeared to be on drugs. Martin had drugs in his system. Martin acted paranoid and the drug he had in his system is known to produce paranoia. That will all be discussed at any trial, in all likelihood

 

[MachZer0]

So if Zimmerman was not following Martin, how did he meet up with him to confront him after he asked dispatch if he should follow Martin?

He wasn't following Martin, yet he asked dispatch if he should, and then somehow magically met up face to face with Martin.

Yeah, you are totally forsaking common sense.

Should be an open and shut guilty verdict if they're using your method of defense.

The report we have is that Martin came up to Zimmerman. But to answer your question you first have to determine where Zimmerman was at the time he acquiesced when the 911 call taker advised him not to pursue Martin, and you also have to answer the question as to where Martin was at that time. Do you have those answers?

 

[mpok1519]

It's specualtion to say that Martin believed he was being followed by an armed man. Zimmmerman was carrying a CNCEALED weapon which was perfectly legal for him to do

It can be reasonably presumed that any person can reasonably believe anyone can be armed. It's legal to carry concealed deadly weapons in this country; it's reasonable to believe anyone has the potential to be armed at any moment. It's also not speculation that he was being followed.

U.S. News - Trayvon Martin timeline: Key events in the Sanford, Fla., shooting case

"Martin’s parents gain access to 911 calls made to police on the evening of the shooting and portions of those tapes are made public. One recording indicates that Zimmerman says he is following Martin and a dispatcher tells him that's not necessary. In another, there are audible cries for help in the background. Martin's family demands an arrest and petitions calling for the same gain tens of thousands of signatures within a matter of hours."

He told dispatchers he was following Martin.

Zimmerman stated that Martin appeared to be on drugs. Martin had drugs in his system. Martin acted paranoid and the drug he had in his system is known to produce paranoia. That will all be discussed at any trial, in all likelihood

And what are Zimmerman's clinical qualifications to determine whether or not an individual is on drugs? Also, if he wasn't following Martin, how could he have made a informed observation in the dark, the rain, AND at a distance, if he wasn't even close to Martin?

Considering Zimmerman has consistently given authorities inaccurate information, all these facts will work against his defense.

 

[mpok1519]

The report we have is that Martin came up to Zimmerman. But to answer your question you first have to determine where Zimmerman was at the time he acquiesced when the 911 call taker advised him not to pursue Martin, and you also have to answer the question as to where Martin was at that time. Do you have those answers?

Martin certainly wasn't the one following anyone while armed, that's what we do know.

 

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[MachZer0]

It can be reasonably presumed that any person can reasonably believe anyone can be armed. It's legal to carry concealed deadly weapons in this country; it's reasonable to believe anyone has the potential to be armed at any moment. It's also not speculation that he was being followed.

That some people legally carry concealed weapons is not a reason for an individual to reasonably believe he is in danger of great bodily harm or death

U.S. News - Trayvon Martin timeline: Key events in the Sanford, Fla., shooting case

"Martin’s parents gain access to 911 calls made to police on the evening of the shooting and portions of those tapes are made public. One recording indicates that Zimmerman says he is following Martin and a dispatcher tells him that's not necessary. In another, there are audible cries for help in the background. Martin's family demands an arrest and petitions calling for the same gain tens of thousands of signatures within a matter of hours."

He told dispatchers he was following Martin.

And when told he did not need to follow Martin, he said, "OK". Under oath, the lead investigator for the sate testified that there is no evidence that Zimmerman continued following Martin after that exchange. So when Zimmerman said 'OK", where was he?

And

what are Zimmerman's clinical qualifications

to determine whether or not an individual is on drugs? Also, if he wasn't following Martin, how could he have made a informed observation in the dark, the rain, AND at a distance, if he wasn't even close to Martin?

He made no such determination. He said "He LOOKS LIKE he's on drugs..." and he turned out to be right

Considering Zimmerman has consistently given authorities inaccurate information, all these facts will work against his defense.

His information turns out to be accurate

 

[MachZer0]

Martin certainly wasn't the one following anyone while armed, that's what we do know.

But everything we know tells us that Martin is the one who started the physical fight and was putting Zimmerman in a position to reasonbly believe he was in danger of great bodily harm or death

 

[TheQuietRiot]

Martin had to have reasonbly believed his life was in danger. We have no reason to believe that Martin reasonably believed so.

Except for the fact that Martins life must have been in danger because you cannot escape the undeniable fact that he is now dead.

 

[Panzerkamfwagen]

Except for the fact that Martins life must have been in danger because you cannot escape the undeniable fact that he is now dead.

If he had not attacked George Zimmerman, would he be dead?

 

[MachZer0]

Except for the fact that Martins life must have been in danger because you cannot escape the undeniable fact that he is now dead.

His life became in danger, based on what we know, AFTER he attacked Zimmerman, bashed his head into the goround and pounded him MMA style.

 

[WilliamB]

What's ironic about his bond being revoked over lying about this money is, the very people who tried to help him with donations have in a sense, created this mess that has lead to a disentigration of his credibility before the very judge that could set him free. This is a huge self inflicted wound that speaks to his very credibility. In a case of self-defense, credibility is everything.

 

[Assuredcw]

Your logic is still disjointed. Why not try to keep Warren, a person totally unrelated to Zimmerman, out of this discussion?

That's a good thread idea!

 

[Assuredcw]

It's already been labeled as an "avoidable" shooting. That in its self is a slam dunk manslaughter conviction, which the jury can go with instead of murder 2.

If the prosecution can prove that zman's life was not in danger as he claims, that's murder 2. The prosecution is already suggesting that the evidence does not match zman's claims, that he was having his head bashed into the concrete at the time of the shooting. If they can prove this is false, which two eye witnesses at least already say it is, he's in a lot of trouble. Add the on scene evidence and the timeline, that definatley does not fit zman's story and you have murder 2.

This latest lie to the court goes to the heart of zman's credibility. If he's going to convince any juror this was self-defense, he has to be credible. From what I see, he so far has a reputation for lying and for disregarding orders to do what he wants to do. He was told on two seperate occasions not to carry a firearm or pursue anyone as neighborhood watch. Once by law enforcement, once by the HOA and again in the clearly stated NW policies. He then disregarded an order from dispatch to not pursue Trayvon.

He says he did stop persuing and was returning to his vehicle but that don't match the time line. So either way, he's stuck between a rock and a hard place.

If he's not guilty it will be because of insanity, because something is wrong with him if he is incapable of simply doing what he is told. I have always thought that this man had no business even owning a gun in the first place. He needs to be either in jail or in a mental institution. He shouldn't be out on the streets - this alone makes him dangerous. For this reason, he definitely shouldn't be out on bond. He should be hospitalized or in jail.

 

[WilliamB]

If he's not guilty it will be because of insanity, because something is wrong with him if he is incapable of simply doing what he is told. I have always thought that this man had no business even owning a gun in the first place. He needs to be either in jail or in a mental institution. He shouldn't be out on the streets - this alone makes him dangerous. For this reason, he definitely shouldn't be out on bond. He should be hospitalized or in jail.

I've had similar thoughts. He definitely seems to have issues but as of the last hour, he's now back in jail.