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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the reply. I agree that in the end, there is no excuse for not believing what Moses WROTE, especially IF Yeshua has OPENED to you concerning what Moses did WRITE. And just as those two Disciples said to each other:

Luk 24:32
(32) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while He talked with us by the way, and while He opened to us the Scriptures?

YHWH_will_uplift, did your heart burn within you when He OPENED to you concerning what Moses WROTE about Him? Or has He done that yet? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
It's clear that you wish to hold onto your vain opinion and pride after I have clearly set forth the evidence proving you wrong at every point you attempted to make. Unfortunately I don't wish to conversate or prove anything to a fool. If you are wise then you will carefully view the evidence on my blog and study it.
And since you like to keep taking scripture out of context please note that the two men believed after having the law and the prophets expounded to them, and this was after Jesus called them foolish and slow of heart.
 
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It's clear that you wish to hold onto your vain opinion and pride after I have clearly set forth the evidence proving you wrong at every point you attempted to make. Unfortunately I don't wish to conversate or prove anything to a fool. If you are wise then you will carefully view the evidence on my blog and study it.
And since ce you like to keep taking scripture out of context please note that the two men believed after having the law and the prophets expounded to them, and this was after Jesus called them foolish and slow of heart.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for taking the time to respond. I am wondering, do you even have the slightest idea of where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection that CAUSED the hearts of those two disciples to BURN within them? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for taking the time to respond. I am wondering, do you even have the slightest idea of where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and 3rd day resurrection that CAUSED the hearts of those two disciples to BURN within them? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
For someone who is supposed to be wise in years and not acting like a child you sure are immature. I thought about you as I read this proverb:

"Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
-Proverbs 26:4-5

If you look at what Jesus clearly said to the two men: He stated that He proved his third day resurrection from Moses and the prophets. And yes I will give you those passages.
 
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The three days and three nights Jesus directly cites the prophet Jonah (Jonah 1:17); Hoseah tells us that Israel will be resurrected on the third day (see Hoseah 1:6); Esther is delivered and delivers the Jews from destruction after three days fasting (Esther 5:1); David was hid in the field by the stone Ezel where David was released from death by Saul from Jonathan on the third day in the morning (I Samuel 20:5, 12, 18-19, 24-35); Moses tells us that the earth did not rise from the waters and the darkness until the third day in the morning (Genesis 1:1-13): remember that man was created from the earth and the earth being under the waters and rising up out of the waters is a type of baptism mentioned from the very beginning; and, seeing that the earth was greater in size than man who was created from it signified that a Great Man among men would rise up and take the curse of sin and death which God placed on the earth instead of man: this Great Man among men according to Genesis 1:1-13 rose up from the waters and the darkness and into the light; and, if this were not enough evidence consider that man was created three days after the earth was called from the waters. scripture is very clear that from the beginning Jesus' third day resurrection on the morning of the sixth day was prophesied and fulfilled by Him.
 
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The three days and three nights Jesus directly cites the prophet Jonah (Jonah 1:17); Hoseah tells us that Israel will be resurrected on the third day (see Hoseah 1:6); Esther is delivered and delivers the Jews from destruction after three days fasting (Esther 5:1); David was hid in the field by the stone Ezel where David was released from death by Saul from Jonathan on the third day in the morning (I Samuel 20:5, 12, 18-19, 24-35); Moses tells us that the earth did not rise from the waters and the darkness until the third day in the morning (Genesis 1:1-13): remember that man was created from the earth and the earth being under the waters and rising up out of the waters is a type of baptism mentioned from the very beginning; and, seeing that the earth was greater in size than man who was created from it signified that a Great Man among men would rise up and take the curse of sin and death which God placed on the earth instead of man: this Great Man among men according to Genesis 1:1-13 rose up from the waters and the darkness and into the light; and, if this were not enough evidence consider that man was created three days after the earth was called from the waters. scripture is very clear that from the beginning Jesus' third day resurrection on the morning of the sixth day was prophesied and fulfilled by Him.
Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you so much for the response. I know you did put some effort into trying to find where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. I will try to give you some help. Please consider what Yeshua said about "living water:"

Joh 4:10
(10) Yeshua answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the Gift of Elohim (Romans 6:23), and who it is that saith to thee, Give Me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of Him, and He would have given thee living water.

Joh 4:14
(14) But whosoever drinketh of the Water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the Water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

And if you consider WHO the SOURCE of this Living Water is, then you might begin to understand what Moses WROTE:

Jer 2:13
(13) For My people have committed two evils; they have forsaken Me the fountain of Living Waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jer 17:13
(13) O Yahweh, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from Me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken Yahweh, the fountain of Living Waters.

You see YHWH_will_uplift, ETERNAL LIFE is pictured by LIVING WATERS. In a physical sense, man has to have water to live, much more so than food, but for man to have extended or eternal life, the drinking of LIVING WATER is required. LIVING WATER is ETERNAL LIFE, and that is your clue in finding WHERE Moses wrote of Eternal Life being added to the dead body of Yeshua. Hopefully, I have not answered a "fool" in his folly. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you so much for the response. I know you did put some effort into trying to find where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. I will try to give you some help. Please consider what Yeshua said about "living water:"

Joh 4:10
(10) Yeshua answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the Gift of Elohim (Romans 6:23), and who it is that saith to thee, Give Me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of Him, and He would have given thee living water.

Joh 4:14
(14) But whosoever drinketh of the Water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the Water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

And if you consider WHO the SOURCE of this Living Water is, then you might begin to understand what Moses WROTE:

Jer 2:13
(13) For My people have committed two evils; they have forsaken Me the fountain of Living Waters, and hewed them out cisterns, broken cisterns, that can hold no water.

Jer 17:13
(13) O Yahweh, the hope of Israel, all that forsake thee shall be ashamed, and they that depart from Me shall be written in the earth, because they have forsaken Yahweh, the fountain of Living Waters.

You see YHWH_will_uplift, ETERNAL LIFE is pictured by LIVING WATERS. In a physical sense, man has to have water to live, much more so than food, but for man to have extended or eternal life, the drinking of LIVING WATER is required. LIVING WATER is ETERNAL LIFE, and that is your clue in finding WHERE Moses wrote of Eternal Life being added to the dead body of Yeshua. Hopefully, I have not answered a "fool" in his folly. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Okay great I pproved all of those things with the scriptures I quoted so I don't know what you're trying to prove their. The Bible also states that bread represents eternal life...as well as the Tree of Life.
Anyways you have not disproven my third day resurrection being in the morning on the 6th day nor, have you refuted my evidence concerning your lunar calendar and sabbath being false.
Before God created the light and the darkness (Isaiah 45:7) did He work in the Day (Light) or the Night (Darkness)? BIG HINT (see Daniel 2:22 Cf. I John 1:5) walk in the light as He is in the light.
 
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Okay great I pproved all of those things with the scriptures I quoted so I don't know what you're trying to prove their. The Bible also states that bread represents eternal life...as well as the Tree of Life.
Anyways you have not disproven my third day resurrection being in the morning on the 6th day nor, have you refuted my evidence concerning your lunar calendar and sabbath being false.
Before God created the light and the darkness (Isaiah 45:7) did He work in the Day (Light) or the Night (Darkness)? BIG HINT (see Daniel 2:22 Cf. I John 1:5) walk in the light as He is in the light.
Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, again, thank you for the reply. Here is some advice for you. Take everything that you THINK you know, and throw it in the trash, and then accept the One True Gospel that is based upon what Moses wrote, namely that Yeshua would suffer, died, be buried, and then raised on the third day. The Apostle Paul spoke of The Gospel that he FIRST received, and how he passed that on to the Corinthians as the FIRST thing they were taught (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). To understand The Gospel, one MUST grasp or have opened to them what Moses wrote concerning Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. So, everything we "think" we know should go down the drain UNTIL we are FIRST presented with the Gospel that is ACCORDING to what Moses wrote. Here are several Scriptures that may help you understand that (Malachi 4:4, Luke 16:31, Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:46, Acts 26:22, Acts 28:23). Come on YHWH_will_uplift, FIND where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection, and then ALL of our differences will disappear. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, again, thank you for the reply. Here is some advice for you. Take everything that you THINK you know, and throw it in the trash, and then accept the One True Gospel that is based upon what Moses wrote, namely that Yeshua would suffer, died, be buried, and then raised on the third day. The Apostle Paul spoke of The Gospel that he FIRST received, and how he passed that on to the Corinthians as the FIRST thing they were taught (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). To understand The Gospel, one MUST grasp or have opened to them what Moses wrote concerning Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection. So, everything we "think" we know should go down the drain UNTIL we are FIRST presented with the Gospel that is ACCORDING to what Moses wrote. Here are several Scriptures that may help you understand that (Malachi 4:4, Luke 16:31, Luke 24:27, Luke 24:44, John 5:46, Acts 26:22, Acts 28:23). Come on YHWH_will_uplift, FIND where Moses WROTE of Yeshua's suffering, death, burial, and third day resurrection, and then ALL of our differences will disappear. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Lol! Why do you keep thinking that I don't believe in a third day resurrection when I keep affirming it? Anyways consider in addition to the proof I've already shared with you consider how Isaac was offered up on the third day and spared; and, Joseph who was released from prison after three days and nights according to the interpretation of the dreams of the cup bearer and the baker: the bread symbolizes the body of Christ which would be hung on a tree; and, the wine the blood of His body which would be shed for all to drink and partake of once He was raised up back to His former state of royalty with Pharaoh who, is God.
Please stop projecting your fears onto me and your jealousies: instead fear God and keep His commandments as He has made them clear for all to read and do.
 
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Lol! Why do you keep thinking that I don't believe in a third day resurrection when I keep affirming it? Anyways consider in addition to the proof I've already shared with you consider how Isaac was offered up on the third day and spared; and, Joseph who was released from prison after three days and nights according to the interpretation of the dreams of the cup bearer and the baker: the bread symbolizes the body of Christ which would be hung on a tree; and, the wine the blood of His body which would be shed for all to drink and partake of once He was raised up back to His former state of royalty with Pharaoh who, is God.
Please stop projecting your fears onto me and your jealousies: instead fear God and keep His commandments as He has made them clear for all to read and do.
Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for continuing on. You really do not grasp what I am asking you. I am not contending with you about your belief in a third day resurrection, what I am contending with you about is that you do not KNOW The Scripture, which Moses WROTE, that DEMANDS Yeshua rising from the dead on the third day. Now, to your credit, you have tried to find it, but you have failed.

Consider John 20:9. Both Peter and John run to the tomb AFTER the women tell them someone has taken His body, and upon "seeing" the strips of linen lying "separate" from the napkin that was about His head, John BELIEVED. John could tell that no one took His body and then would have left that napkin FOLDED up by itself, and that convinced him that Yeshua ROSE from the dead. Now, John ADDS an afterthought, "For as yet they knew not The Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead," because he did not want anyone who BELIEVED because of The Scripture, to think he didn't believe what Moses WROTE. The Scripture, that John is referring to, is The Scripture which Moses wrote that DEMANDS Yeshua rising from the dead, and sadly to say YHWH_will_uplift, it has not been "opened" to you as yet. Pride and arrogance in believing one knows it all, is what keeps one from "seeing" and "believing" what Moses wrote. Keep searching. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for continuing on. You really do not grasp what I am asking you. I am not contending with you about your belief in a third day resurrection, what I am contending with you about is that you do not KNOW The Scripture, which Moses WROTE, that DEMANDS Yeshua rising from the dead on the third day. Now, to your credit, you have tried to find it, but you have failed.

Consider John 20:9. Both Peter and John run to the tomb AFTER the women tell them someone has taken His body, and upon "seeing" the strips of linen lying "separate" from the napkin that was about His head, John BELIEVED. John could tell that no one took His body and then would have left that napkin FOLDED up by itself, and that convinced him that Yeshua ROSE from the dead. Now, John ADDS an afterthought, "For as yet they knew not The Scripture, that He must rise again from the dead," because he did not want anyone who BELIEVED because of The Scripture, to think he didn't believe what Moses WROTE. The Scripture, that John is referring to, is The Scripture which Moses wrote that DEMANDS Yeshua rising from the dead, and sadly to say YHWH_will_uplift, it has not been "opened" to you as yet. Pride and arrogance in believing one knows it all, is what keeps one from "seeing" and "believing" what Moses wrote. Keep searching. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
I don't know whether to laugh or mourn for you and how you constantly fail to look at the whole context of scripture: great John said that there was a particular scripture stating that Christ would suffer, die, and be crucified on a tree, and be resurrected: Luke also tells us that Jesus quoted more than one scripture from Moses and the prophets so, again you have proven nothing spectacular nor found a contradiction nor been able to answer me in regards to whether God worked in the Light or the Darkness before creating them (among other things). Consider also how Paul quoted the law from Deuteronomy where we are told that cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree and states that this is the fulfillment of Christ dying on the cross, not to mention the Psalms by David where it speaks of the Messiah being able to see all of His bones and hanging on a tree; Zachariah also tells us that we will look upon Him whom they have pierced. If you didn't understand that then hopefully you would understand how Jesus Himself said He would be the fulfillment of Jonah's three days and nights prophecy about Him.
 
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I don't know whether to laugh or mourn for you and how you constantly fail to look at the whole context of scripture: great John said that there was a particular scripture stating that Christ would suffer, die, and be crucified on a tree, and be resurrected: Luke also tells us that Jesus quoted more than one scripture from Moses and the prophets so, again you have proven nothing spectacular nor found a contradiction nor been able to answer me in regards to whether God worked in the Light or the Darkness before creating them (among other things). Consider also how Paul quoted the law from Deuteronomy where we are told that cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree and states that this is the fulfillment of Christ dying on the cross, not to mention the Psalms by David where it speaks of the Messiah being able to see all of His bones and hanging on a tree; Zachariah also tells us that we will look upon Him whom they have pierced. If you didn't understand that then hopefully you would understand how Jesus Himself said He would be the fulfillment of Jonah's three days and nights prophecy about Him.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for responding. Look, The Scripture which John refers to is foundational. It is THE Scripture that traditional christianity knows very little to nothing about, and it is obvious that you have not been "opened" to it. Here is some more help. Go to the Scripture that the Jews claim is the FOUNDATION of the Torah, that is where you will find it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for responding. Look, The Scripture which John refers to is foundational. It is THE Scripture that traditional christianity knows very little to nothing about, and it is obvious that you have not been "opened" to it. Here is some more help. Go to the Scripture that the Jews claim is the FOUNDATION of the Torah, that is where you will find it. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
Okay so, apparently from your response you don't understand plain English as the scripture could refer to any single scripture not just a single scripture which tops all scriptures that describe the same thing. And I see that you are trying to play a cute psychological game with me and act as if you have the answer but really don't have it but, instead leave me with the impression that you do while knowing good and well that the passages I quoted are indeed the scriptures which Jesus quoted and expounded to the two men: John only states that they had difficulty with scripture in general not a specific scripture as you falsely state and pointlessly argue.
 
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Okay so, apparently from your response you don't understand plain English as the scripture could refer to any single scripture not just a single scripture which tops all scriptures that describe the same thing. And I see that you are trying to play a cute psychological game with me and act as if you have the answer but really don't have it but, instead leave me with the impression that you do while knowing good and well that the passages I quoted are indeed the scriptures which Jesus quoted and expounded to the two men: John only states that they had difficulty with scripture in general not a specific scripture as you falsely state and pointlessly argue.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, well, I guess we are at an impasse, and it appears it is not your time to have The Scripture OPENED to you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, well, I guess we are at an impasse, and it appears it is not your time to have The Scripture OPENED to you. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
I could really care lessas it would only prove that Christ would rise again on the third day after suffering and being crucified.
 
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I could really care lessas it would only prove that Christ would rise again on the third day after suffering and being crucified.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, you really don't get it do you? The One True Gospel that was BASED upon The Scripture was TURNED into a gospel that is no gospel at all (Galatians 1:6-9). Sure, the false gospel of killing the innocent and righteous in the place of the wicked, is based upon another "Jesus," (2 Corinthians 11:4) the one that was infiltrating the One True Church (Jude 1:4). You see, after the departure of the Apostles, fierce wolves attacked and invaded (Acts 20:29), and established THE false gospel of substitutionalism, and it is a Strong Delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11), a very difficult LIE to come out from under. Those of us who are coming forth out from the CONFUSION of the false gospel (Jeremiah 28:6), are able to do so because The Scripture has been brought back, and OPENED unto us, and Satan KNOWS the power of The Scripture, that is why he extinguished it from any NT writings.

Now, YHWH_will_uplift, I know how difficult it is to give up the false gospel of killing someone in your place, but you MUST do so IF you want LIFE. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, you really don't get it do you? The One True Gospel that was BASED upon The Scripture was TURNED into a gospel that is no gospel at all (Galatians 1:6-9). Sure, the false gospel of killing the innocent and righteous in the place of the wicked, is based upon another "Jesus," (2 Corinthians 11:4) the one that was infiltrating the One True Church (Jude 1:4). You see, after the departure of the Apostles, fierce wolves attacked and invaded (Acts 20:29), and established THE false gospel of substitutionalism, and it is a Strong Delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11), a very difficult LIE to come out from under. Those of us who are coming forth out from the CONFUSION of the false gospel (Jeremiah 28:6), are able to do so because The Scripture has been brought back, and OPENED unto us, and Satan KNOWS the power of The Scripture, that is why he extinguished it from any NT writings.

Now, YHWH_will_uplift, I know how difficult it is to give up the false gospel of killing someone in your place, but you MUST do so IF you want LIFE. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
LOL! What?! When did I ever preach about another Jesus being crucified? And you're telling me that Christ dying on the cross is false? You must be more senile than I thought.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, you really don't get it do you? The One True Gospel that was BASED upon The Scripture was TURNED into a gospel that is no gospel at all (Galatians 1:6-9). Sure, the false gospel of killing the innocent and righteous in the place of the wicked, is based upon another "Jesus," (2 Corinthians 11:4) the one that was infiltrating the One True Church (Jude 1:4). You see, after the departure of the Apostles, fierce wolves attacked and invaded (Acts 20:29), and established THE false gospel of substitutionalism, and it is a Strong Delusion (2 Thessalonians 2:11), a very difficult LIE to come out from under. Those of us who are coming forth out from the CONFUSION of the false gospel (Jeremiah 28:6), are able to do so because The Scripture has been brought back, and OPENED unto us, and Satan KNOWS the power of The Scripture, that is why he extinguished it from any NT writings.

Now, YHWH_will_uplift, I know how difficult it is to give up the false gospel of killing someone in your place, but you MUST do so IF you want LIFE. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
So let me get this straight you believe that Jesus dying in our place is false? If you do then you contradict scripture again which proves from the old testament that it is through the sacrifice of an innocent animal that we could receive atonement for our sins. Keep in mind also that once the second temple was destroyed there was no system in place to atone for or forgive sins: this was reinstated with the crucifixion of Jesus.
 
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LOL! What?! When did I ever preach about another Jesus being crucified? And you're telling me that Christ dying on the cross is false? You must be more senile than I thought.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, Yeshua dying on the Cross is ACCORDING to The Scripture, which you know nothing about, but what you do know and believe is a "Jesus" that has died in your stead to pay the penalty of your sin, and that false gospel of substitutionalism is The Strong Delusion. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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So let me get this straight you believe that Jesus dying in our place is false? If you do then you contradict scripture again which proves from the old testament that it is through the sacrifice of an innocent animal that we could receive atonement for our sins. Keep in mind also that once the second temple was destroyed there was no system in place to atone for or forgive sins: this was reinstated with the crucifixion of Jesus.
Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, you have no idea of how Strong the Delusion you are under is deceiving you. Yeshua DIED for our sin, ACCORDING to the Scriptures, and The Scripture is the definitive WORD. Yet, IF you do want to consider other Scriptures, please consider these:

Deuteronomy 19:10
Numbers 35:33
Proverbs 17:26
Exodus 23:7
Deuteronomy 25:1
Proverbs 17:15
Ezekiel 18:4

As you should be able to grasp, those Scriptures show you that the Innocent One/Prince should not be punished in the place of the Guilty, but rather, the soul that sins shall die, and we should not be having a sinless soul die in their place. It's DELUSIONAL to think that Elohim's justice requires punishing the Innocent in the stead of the Wicked. Will you or would you punish your good child in the place or stead of your disobedient children?

Here is a big hint for you. When American soldiers DIED FOR their country, were they dying in the stead of other Americans? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
 
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Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, you have no idea of how Strong the Delusion you are under is deceiving you. Yeshua DIED for our sin, ACCORDING to the Scriptures, and The Scripture is the definitive WORD. Yet, IF you do want to consider other Scriptures, please consider these:

Deuteronomy 19:10
Numbers 35:33
Proverbs 17:26
Exodus 23:7
Deuteronomy 25:1
Proverbs 17:15
Ezekiel 18:4

As you should be able to grasp, those Scriptures show you that the Innocent One/Prince should not be punished in the place of the Guilty, but rather, the soul that sins shall die, and we should not be having a sinless soul die in their place. It's DELUSIONAL to think that Elohim's justice requires punishing the Innocent in the stead of the Wicked. Will you or would you punish your good child in the place or stead of your disobedient children?

Here is a big hint for you. When American soldiers DIED FOR their country, were they dying in the stead of other Americans? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.
You misunderstand scripture again: those passages only deal with each man being responsible and accountable for his own sins. These scriptures do not void the purpose of the animal sacrifices in the old testament where an innnocent animal was killed in place of us to take away our sins through the shedding of its blood: Christ fulfilled this by taking our punishment for us so that we might be saved. This of course does not mean that we are saved forever: for as Jesus told the adulterous woman to go and sin no more, so too are we to remain free from sin once we have been saved, else we will die in our sins if we remain in them.
And the American soldiers died for our country so yes, they died in the place of the people: not for atonement of sins but, for the continuity of our country. Someone's got to die after all and, how gracious of our Lord Christ Jesus who died on our behalf to wipe away our sins and give us a clean slate in order to start fresh and keep ourselves free from sinning further.
 
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