Your Turn - Ask a Jew -- a Jew's View

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for that. Why didn't Yeshua correct the "so called Jews' tradition" instead of going in the Synagogues on the Sabbath (Luke 4:10, Luke 13:10, John 18:20), and even the Apostle Paul as his custom was going INTO the Synagogues on the Sabbath (Acts 17:2), and even James in his decision says that Moses is read in the Synagogues every Sabbath (Acts 15:21). So was Yeshua, Paul, and James all deceived into following a FALSE Sabbath? And why did Yeshua say that the scribes and Pharisees SIT in Moses' seat so LISTEN to what they say, but do not follow as they do (Matthew 23:2-3)? Really, YHWH_will_uplift, do you like being pummeled? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Was the synagogue a place of business and merchandise? No, it was a place of worship so, don't know what you're trying to prove there. Jesus in a nutshell was telling us not to be hypocrites like the Pharisees who do not practice what they preach. He just told us to listen to what they have to say and, to not follow after their example of being hypocrites (which you are following). Jesus spent much of His ministry correcting the traditions of the Jews:

"Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
-Matthew 15:1-9

We see that Jesus focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews. And thank God for the internet so that we only need to type in tradition in the search bar for the new testament and we will see every place that Yeshua corrects the Jews' traditions and calls them hypocrites. We see that Jesus nor the apostles followed a false Sabbath.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

@ImAHebrew Please look at the close of the first day and the close of the sixth day in Genesis 1:5, 31. We have the formula "...and there was evening and there was morning X day ..." or Evening + Morning = 1 Day: this does not tell us in the English which came first, rather it assumed through tradition that the day began in the evening. When we back up to v. 1 we read that God did not create light or darkness first:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
-Genesis 1:1

This tells us in ten short words that God created three things:

1) Time ("In the beginning...").
2) Space ("...heaven...").
3) Matter ("...earth...").

This understanding makes it crystal clear why the darkness, waters, and the earth seem to have been preexistent along with God: which is false as nothing existed before God (vv. 1-2). But how did God work in the light before calling the light and separating it from the darkness (vv.3-4)? We can infer from the evidence that God is the Spirit of Light and therefore worked in the Day as He is the Light of Day and has the Light within Himself. After creating the heaven, the water, the earth, and the darkness is when He called the Light and separated it from the darkness: therefore we may infer that after God had created the darkness He separated Himself from the Darkness: just as He separated the Light from the Darkness. If we truly believe that Darkness existed first then we are by implication stating that God is Darkness and not Light; worked in the darkness, before calling the Light; and God is Death and not Life; and that Evening came before the morning. In the Hebrew we read that after God called the light and separated it from the darkness that: "...it became evening and that it became morning one day."
How can it become evening if morning did not come first?
I quote from the prophets:

"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
-Deuteronomy 32:39

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
-Isaiah 5:20

"Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?"
-Isaiah 43:10-13

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
-Isaiah 45:7

"He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him."
-Daniel 2:22

The Jesus and His apostles affirm the law and the prophets:

"But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"
-Matthew 6:23

"The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness."
-Luke 11:34-35

"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
-John 1:5

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
-John 3:19

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
-I John 1:5

From the above we see that God is Light, Life, Love, Day, Good, and Wise; but, those who are separate from Him are in Darkness, Death, Hate, Evil, and foolishness.
The day begins in the morning.

 

[ImAHebrew]

@ImAHebrew Please look at the close of the first day and the close of the sixth day in Genesis 1:5, 31. We have the formula "...and there was evening and there was morning X day ..." or Evening + Morning = 1 Day: this does not tell us in the English which came first, rather it assumed through tradition that the day began in the evening. When we back up to v. 1 we read that God did not create light or darkness first:

"In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."
-Genesis 1:1

This tells us in ten short words that God created three things:

1) Time ("In the beginning...").
2) Space ("...heaven...").
3) Matter ("...earth...").

This understanding makes it crystal clear why the darkness, waters, and the earth seem to have been preexistent along with God: which is false as nothing existed before God (vv. 1-2). But how did God work in the light before calling the light and separating it from the darkness (vv.3-4)? We can infer from the evidence that God is the Spirit of Light and therefore worked in the Day as He is the Light of Day and has the Light within Himself. After creating the heaven, the water, the earth, and the darkness is when He called the Light and separated it from the darkness: therefore we may infer that after God had created the darkness He separated Himself from the Darkness: just as He separated the Light from the Darkness. If we truly believe that Darkness existed first then we are by implication stating that God is Darkness and not Light; worked in the darkness, before calling the Light; and God is Death and not Life; and that Evening came before the morning. In the Hebrew we read that after God called the light and separated it from the darkness that: "...it became evening and that it became morning one day."
How can it become evening if morning did not come first?
I quote from the prophets:

"See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand."
-Deuteronomy 32:39

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
-Isaiah 5:20

"Ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the Lord; and beside me there is no saviour. I have declared, and have saved, and I have shewed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the Lord, that I am God. Yea, before the day was I am he; and there is none that can deliver out of my hand: I will work, and who shall let it?"
-Isaiah 43:10-13

"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things."
-Isaiah 45:7

"He revealeth the deep and secret things: he knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light dwelleth with him."
-Daniel 2:22

The Jesus and His apostles affirm the law and the prophets:

"But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!"
-Matthew 6:23

"The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness."
-Luke 11:34-35

"And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not."
-John 1:5

"And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
-John 3:19

"This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all."
-I John 1:5

From the above we see that God is Light, Life, Love, Day, Good, and Wise; but, those who are separate from Him are in Darkness, Death, Hate, Evil, and foolishness.
The day begins in the morning.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the extensive post. I wonder if you have considered something that Yeshua said when speaking about The Beginning:

Joh 8:44

(44) "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from The Beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

So YHWH_will_uplift, if FROM The BEGINNING, Satan was a murderer, would you not consider that DARKNESS/EVIL was at The BEGINNING...Darkness covering the FACE of the Deep (Genesis 1:2)? You try to deny some very clear Scriptures, why is that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Was the synagogue a place of business and merchandise? No, it was a place of worship so, don't know what you're trying to prove there. Jesus in a nutshell was telling us not to be hypocrites like the Pharisees who do not practice what they preach. He just told us to listen to what they have to say and, to not follow after their example of being hypocrites (which you are following). Jesus spent much of His ministry correcting the traditions of the Jews:

"Then came to Jesus scribes and Pharisees, which were of Jerusalem, saying, Why do thy disciples transgress the tradition of the elders? for they wash not their hands when they eat bread. But he answered and said unto them, Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. But ye say, Whosoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatsoever thou mightest be profited by me; And honour not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition. Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying, This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
-Matthew 15:1-9

We see that Jesus focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews. And thank God for the internet so that we only need to type in tradition in the search bar for the new testament and we will see every place that Yeshua corrects the Jews' traditions and calls them hypocrites. We see that Jesus nor the apostles followed a false Sabbath.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the reply. My Question: Why didn't Yeshua correct the Jewish Tradition of observing the Sabbath from sunset to sunset, IF, it is as you say, He was focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews? (We see that Jesus focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews) Why not even a "peep" from Him in correcting them about the calendar and THE beginning of the day? Do you realize that He even celebrated Sukkot (John 7:37), according to Jewish tradition, and you would think He would have plainly chastised them for keeping a Holy Day incorrectly. You have an extremely hard row to hoe. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the extensive post. I wonder if you have considered something that Yeshua said when speaking about The Beginning:

Joh 8:44

(44) "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from The Beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

So YHWH_will_uplift, if FROM The BEGINNING, Satan was a murderer, would you not consider that DARKNESS/EVIL was at The BEGINNING...Darkness covering the FACE of the Deep (Genesis 1:2)? You try to deny some very clear Scriptures, why is that? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

What are you trying so hard to prove with your bag full of hot air? The saying is true: one word will suffice a wise man but, not many words for a fool...sigh..big deal you just agreed with me that God created evil and darkness from the beginning...and you think that proves that evil existed before the good? Dead Lord please get your head checked.

 

[ImAHebrew]

What are you trying so hard to prove with your bag full of hot air? The saying is true: one word will suffice a wide man but, not many words for a fool...sigh..big deal you just agreed with me that God created evil and darkness from the beginning...and you think that proves that evil existed before the good? Dead Lord please get your head checked.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the clear response. Have you not read Paul? He made it very clear. Elohim SUBJECTED His CREATION to VANITY/EMPTYNESS (darkness), and it was NOT a willing subjection on the part of the creation:

Rom 8:20

(20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope

You see YHWH_will_uplift, what you do not understand is that Elohim is ALLOWING or SUBJECTING His creation to DARKNESS first, so that once we "see" the EVIL/DARKNESS, we can conform to His LIGHT. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the reply. My Question: Why didn't Yeshua correct the Jewish Tradition of observing the Sabbath from sunset to sunset, IF, it is as you say, He was focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews? (We see that Jesus focused on correcting the traditions of the Jews) Why not even a "peep" from Him in correcting them about the calendar and THE beginning of the day? Do you realize that He even celebrated Sukkot (John 7:37), according to Jewish tradition, and you would think He would have plainly chastised them for keeping a Holy Day incorrectly. You have an extremely hard row to hoe. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

This is another easy question to answer: Jesus corrected their false traditions which were not of God (e.g. handwashing) and, if they were wrong about the finer points of the Law then He would correct them on that. It stands then that He had no need to correct their calendar practice as it was in line with YHWH's calendar. What you're attempting prove is that it is lunar based and not solar based: which if you take the time to read my blog you will see that in the scriptures the Bible does not support any calendar other than a solar one.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the clear response. Have you not read Paul? He made it very clear. Elohim SUBJECTED His CREATION to VANITY/EMPTYNESS (darkness), and it was NOT a willing subjection on the part of the creation:

Rom 8:20

(20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope

You see YHWH_will_uplift, what you do not understand is that Elohim is ALLOWING or SUBJECTING His creation to DARKNESS first, so that once we "see" the EVIL/DARKNESS, we can conform to His LIGHT. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

So tell me where was evil before sin and death entered into the world? If God made everything evil first then why didn't He accuse Adam and Eve of sin the moment they were created? Furthermore if God made everything evil first and darkness truly came before the light then how could God call the light good if He was evil from the beginning?

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the clear response. Have you not read Paul? He made it very clear. Elohim SUBJECTED His CREATION to VANITY/EMPTYNESS (darkness), and it was NOT a willing subjection on the part of the creation:

Rom 8:20

(20) For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it, in hope

You see YHWH_will_uplift, what you do not understand is that Elohim is ALLOWING or SUBJECTING His creation to DARKNESS first, so that once we "see" the EVIL/DARKNESS, we can conform to His LIGHT. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Here you go again taking scripture out of context: Paul is discussing the resurrection of our bodies which are now corrupt due to the sin in them but, will be raised up new and incorrupted at the Resurrection Day. As I made clear earlier there would be no need for this resurrection into a new body of incorruption had not Adam and Eve sinned to begin with.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Here you go again taking scripture out of context: Paul is discussing the resurrection of our bodies which are now corrupt due to the sin in them but, will be raised up new and incorrupted at the Resurrection Day. As I made clear earlier there would be no need for this resurrection into a new body of incorruption had not Adam and Eve sinned to begin with.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the short response. I try not to take the Scriptures out of context. How do you read this Scripture:

Rom 11:32
(32) For Elohim has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

And:

Rom 7:14

(14) For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.

Or:

Rom 8:8

(8) and those who are in the flesh cannot please Elohim.

You see YHWH_will_uplift, what you, and most of traditional christianity does not realize is that Elohim gave a command to Adam and Eve, after He created them flesh, and this sold or consigned them up to be in bondage to sin. Elohim KNEW what the FLESH would do, and this is WHY He gave them a law so that they could come to a KNOWLEDGE of the Truth concerning GOOD/Light, and EVIL/Darkness. Elohim wants EVERYONE to CHOOSE the LIGHT as He has done, but for a chance at an informed choice, mankind had to FIRST be placed into DARKNESS/the corrupt, weak, dishonorable FLESH, and then be given a law.

Paul states that Elohim will give the law to the unrighteous, those who are disobedient (1 Timothy 1:9). Why did He give that law to Adam and Eve?

Elohim had a problem "in the Beginning," where a rebellion took place which murdered the unity of Elohim, and 1/3 departed INTO darkness. In this AGE, where He is in the process of restoring Himself to His FORMER Glory to where everything is UNITED as ONE in Him, He had to consign mankind INTO DARKNESS first, BEFORE He could restore the LIGHT that was GOOD. Ultimately, there were be no NIGHT/DARKNESS, ONLY the Day, but the night had to be FIRST in His Plan...an evening and then morning...day1. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the short response. I try not to take the Scriptures out of context. How do you read this Scripture:

Rom 11:32
(32) For Elohim has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

And:

Rom 7:14

(14) For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin.

Or:

Rom 8:8

(8) and those who are in the flesh cannot please Elohim.

You see YHWH_will_uplift, what you, and most of traditional christianity does not realize is that Elohim gave a command to Adam and Eve, after He created them flesh, and this sold or consigned them up to be in bondage to sin. Elohim KNEW what the FLESH would do, and this is WHY He gave them a law so that they could come to a KNOWLEDGE of the Truth concerning GOOD/Light, and EVIL/Darkness. Elohim wants EVERYONE to CHOOSE the LIGHT as He has done, but for a chance at an informed choice, mankind had to FIRST be placed into DARKNESS/the corrupt, weak, dishonorable FLESH, and then be given a law.

Paul states that Elohim will give the law to the unrighteous, those who are disobedient (1 Timothy 1:9). Why did He give that law to Adam and Eve?

Elohim had a problem "in the Beginning," where a rebellion took place which murdered the unity of Elohim, and 1/3 departed INTO darkness. In this AGE, where He is in the process of restoring Himself to His FORMER Glory to where everything is UNITED as ONE in Him, He had to consign mankind INTO DARKNESS first, BEFORE He could restore the LIGHT that was GOOD. Ultimately, there were be no NIGHT/DARKNESS, ONLY the Day, but the night had to be FIRST in His Plan...an evening and then morning...day1. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Sigh...so now you're really telling me and anyone else following our conversation that God is evil? You stupid man...have you no understanding? The Law from the beginning to man was to stay away from the Tree of Death for they would die from eating its fruit like the Serpent. God anticipated from the beginning that the Serpent would come to deceive us. But in order that we might not blame Him for us having a better option He left two trees in the middle of the garden:

"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
-Genesis 2:8-9

We see that from the beginning Life and Death were placed before all of God's creations to choose from: Adam and Eve chose death with the Serpent. God created good and evil in order that we might know that He is good for He is the Light and called the light good and did not mix Himself with the Darkness. But you being of little wisdom and much foolishness wish to proceed with the blasphemy from your mouth. The truth is that Adam and Eve were given the knowledge of Good and Evil from the beginning before eating the fruit of the Tree of Death: from the beginning God has defined Evil as disobedience to His Word. We see that God placed all in Eden, literally, Pleasure or Delight. But what your alienated mind believes is that somehow this paradise was not one of Light but one of Darkness. Do you see where following the moon has gotten you? Do you not know that the moon receives its light from the sun? Why would you or others wish to follow the lesser light which rules the Darkness? You brother and others who follow are in the Darkness by default with the lesser light: you must step out of the darkness and into the light of YHWH's Solar Calendar.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Sigh...so now you're really telling me and anyone else following our conversation that God is evil? You stupid man...have you no understanding? The Law from the beginning to man was to stay away from the Tree of Death for they would die from eating its fruit like the Serpent. God anticipated from the beginning that the Serpent would come to deceive us. But in order that we might not blame Him for us having a better option He left two trees in the middle of the garden:

"And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil."
-Genesis 2:8-9

We see that from the beginning Life and Death were placed before all of God's creations to choose from: Adam and Eve chose death with the Serpent. God created good and evil in order that we might know that He is good for He is the Light and called the light good and did not mix Himself with the Darkness. But you being of little wisdom and much foolishness wish to proceed with the blasphemy from your mouth. The truth is that Adam and Eve were given the knowledge of Good and Evil from the beginning before eating the fruit of the Tree of Death: from the beginning God has defined Evil as disobedience to His Word. We see that God placed all in Eden, literally, Pleasure or Delight. But what your alienated mind believes is that somehow this paradise was not one of Light but one of Darkness. Do you see where following the moon has gotten you? Do you not know that the moon receives its light from the sun? Why would you or others wish to follow the lesser light which rules the Darkness? You brother and others who follow are in the Darkness by default with the lesser light: you must step out of the darkness and into the light of YHWH's Solar Calendar.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for your critique. Do you think I can make you run out of "sighs?" I wonder? Now, you need to start accepting what the Scriptures say. The Scriptures do not say it was a "Tree of Death," rather it states it was a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Why would you change what the Scriptures say? And your statement, "The truth is that Adam and Eve were given the knowledge of Good and Evil from the beginning before eating the fruit of the Tree of Death," is a total lack of understanding and comprehension on your part. Adam and Eve were like two innocent children, who didn't know their right hand from their left (Jonah 4:11), but AFTER they disobeyed, they came to KNOW exactly what GOOD was (obedience), and what EVIL was (disobedience). Before they ATE from the Tree, they had NO Knowledge of Good and Evil, but once they ate, their EYES were opened, and they REALIZED they were sinners (naked). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for your critique. Do you think I can make you run out of "sighs?" I wonder? Now, you need to start accepting what the Scriptures say. The Scriptures do not say it was a "Tree of Death," rather it states it was a Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. Why would you change what the Scriptures say? And your statement, "The truth is that Adam and Eve were given the knowledge of Good and Evil from the beginning before eating the fruit of the Tree of Death," is a total lack of understanding and comprehension on your part. Adam and Eve were like two innocent children, who didn't know their right hand from their left (Jonah 4:11), but AFTER they disobeyed, they came to KNOW exactly what GOOD was (obedience), and what EVIL was (disobedience). Before they ATE from the Tree, they had NO Knowledge of Good and Evil, but once they ate, their EYES were opened, and they REALIZED they were sinners (naked). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

If I didn't know any better I'd say you were looking to study under me *yawn* I didn't change scripture around I simply stated what was implied: if one tree caused their death and the other caused them to live forever: it is fitting to call the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil the Tree of Death. God made it clear to them that their disobedience to Him would result in their deaths; and, the fact that God told them that the Tree would give them knowledge of evil makes it clear that they were informed of evil and its existence. From here Adam and Eve were given the choice to listen to the Serpent who did not make them or God who did make them: God told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die: the Serpent told them that they would not die but be like God. We see that God was not at fault for Adam and Eve failing to seek His counsel regarding the words of the Serpent. And you err in saying that Adam and Eve did not posess understanding of good and evil: for Adam had more than enough wisdom to name all of the animals; go through the marriage process with Eve; he understood that Eve was his bone and flesh; Eve understood the consequences of disobeying God's words when she talked with the Serpent; their hiding for fear of being found out by God showed they knew they had done wrong; they had wisdom to sew fig leaves to cover their nakedness: so you're wrong yet again in your testimony as you've proven this whole time to contradict yourself and God.

 

[ImAHebrew]

If I didn't know any better I'd say you were looking to study under me *yawn* I didn't change scripture around I simply stated what was implied: if one tree caused their death and the other caused them to live forever: it is fitting to call the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil the Tree of Death. God made it clear to them that their disobedience to Him would result in their deaths; and, the fact that God told them that the Tree would give them knowledge of evil makes it clear that they were informed of evil and its existence. From here Adam and Eve were given the choice to listen to the Serpent who did not make them or God who did make them: God told them not to eat of the fruit or they would die: the Serpent told them that they would not die but be like God. We see that God was not at fault for Adam and Eve failing to seek His counsel regarding the words of the Serpent. And you err in saying that Adam and Eve did not posess understanding of good and evil: for Adam had more than enough wisdom to name all of the animals; go through the marriage process with Eve; he understood that Eve was his bone and flesh; Eve understood the consequences of disobeying God's words when she talked with the Serpent; their hiding for fear of being found out by God showed they knew they had done wrong; they had wisdom to sew fig leaves to cover their nakedness: so you're wrong yet again in your testimony as you've proven this whole time to contradict yourself and God.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for your testimony. Tell me, if you would want to teach your children right from wrong, would you HIDE the wrong from them, or would you expose them to what you didn't want them to do, so that they could learn what you desired? It's a very simple concept...learning from mistakes...the best teacher. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for your testimony. Tell me, if you would want to teach your children right from wrong, would you HIDE the wrong from them, or would you expose them to what you didn't want them to do, so that they could learn what you desired? It's a very simple concept...learning from mistakes...the best teacher. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Yes while learning from mistakes are great: learning from the mistakes of others is better. Not making the same mistake twice is also recommended but, not making mistakes is best. Sinning is always a mistake but, mistakes aren't always sins. You on the other hand are not only commiting the same repeated mistakes but, your are not learning from them either or admitting to them. Your responses only show that you're running out of steam and have little to nothing to say in order to refute the proofs I have brought forward to you.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Yes while learning from mistakes are great: learning from the mistakes of others is better. Not making the same mistake twice is also recommended but, not making mistakes is best. Sinning is always a mistake but, mistakes aren't always sins. You on the other hand are not only commiting the same repeated mistakes but, your are not learning from them either or admitting to them. Your responses only show that you're running out of steam and have little to nothing to say in order to refute the proofs I have brought forward to you.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the response. Yes, I am an old man, and I may be running out of steam, but there is always FAITH that one can be revitalized. You on the other hand, do present yourself as someone who is just starting out of the blocks. As you grow older, you will probably grow a little wiser, and then you might cut me a little slack. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the response. Yes, I am an old man, and I may be running out of steam, but there is always FAITH that one can be revitalized. You on the other hand, do present yourself as someone who is just starting out of the blocks. As you grow older, you will probably grow a little wiser, and then you might cut me a little slack. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Well I wasn't referring to your age since I never bothered to look when I referred to you running out of steam. But since you bring up your age I will rise up for you as the scriptures state that we must rise before the hoary head. And though I am a youth in comparison to our ages I'm still obligated to abide by the truth until my last days. Adam and Eve's story illustrates to us that fools are fools and the wise are wise no matter the number years that they attain to. And though you are old I will not allow your years to despise my youth. Though I am starting out I believe from your responses that you know that there are truth in my words.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Well I wasn't referring to your age since I never bothered to look when I referred to you running out of steam. But since you bring up your age I will rise up for you as the scriptures state that we must rise before the hoary head. And though I am a youth in comparison to our ages I'm still obligated to abide by the truth until my last days. Adam and Eve's story illustrates to us that fools are fools and the wise are wise no matter the number years that they attain to. And though you are old I will not allow your years to despise my youth. Though I am starting out I believe from your responses that you know that there are truth in my words.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, The Truth, yes, let us abide in it. Tell me, would you be "slow of heart to believe?" I ask this because of what Yeshua told the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus:

Luk 24:25
(25) Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Most are pretty slow of heart to believe what Moses WROTE. Are you different? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, The Truth, yes, let us abide in it. Tell me, would you be "slow of heart to believe?" I ask this because of what Yeshua told the two disciples on the Road to Emmaus:

Luk 24:25
(25) Then He said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:

Most are pretty slow of heart to believe what Moses WROTE. Are you different? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Seeing as how Jesus connected foolishness with being slow of heart then yes I was that before: the wise then are quick of heart. So in the end we have no excuse for not coming to the truth for being slow of heart: it is wiser as scripture states, to be quick of heart and repent from our errors in order that we may be found wise. Which of the two are you?

 

[ImAHebrew]

Seeing as how Jesus connected foolishness with being slow of heart then yes I was that before: the wise then are quick of heart. So in the end we have no excuse for not coming to the truth for being slow of heart: it is wiser as scripture states, to be quick of heart and repent from our errors in order that we may be found wise. Which of the two are you?

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the reply. I agree that in the end, there is no excuse for not believing what Moses WROTE, especially IF Yeshua has OPENED to you concerning what Moses did WRITE. And just as those two Disciples said to each other:

Luk 24:32
(32) And they said one to another, Did not our heart burn within us, while He talked with us by the way, and while He opened to us the Scriptures?

YHWH_will_uplift, did your heart burn within you when He OPENED to you concerning what Moses WROTE about Him? Or has He done that yet? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.