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[ImAHebrew]

I've shown how all four Gospels are in harmony. To answer your supposed contradiction concerning Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56: the former states that the women had bought (past tense) spices: this means that they simply brought the spices they had already bought and prepared after returning from the tomb where Jesus was laid. You assume that they bought the spices after the Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Anyways I already showed you my other proofs and the math and the linguistics which proves that the women did not come to the tomb the day that you stated.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, just a quick question. Your PREMISE that the women had already bought (past tense) the spices is based upon ONE translation that I can see, most just say they bought the spices, not (past tense). What is your opinion for that?

Mark 16:1
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(CJB) When Shabbat was over, Miryam of Magdala, Miryam the mother of Ya`akov, and Shlomit bought spices in order to go and anoint Yeshua.
(EMTV) Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
(ESV) When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.
(GW) When the day of worship was over, Mary from Magdala, Mary (the mother of James), and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus.
(KJV) And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
(KJV+) AndG2532 when theG3588 sabbathG4521 was past,G1230 MaryG3137 Magdalene,G3094 andG2532 MaryG3137 theG3588 mother of James,G2385 andG2532 Salome,G4539 had boughtG59 sweet spices,G759 thatG2443 they might comeG2064 and anointG218 him.G846
(LEB) And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome purchased fragrant spices so that they could go and anoint him.
(LITV) And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
(NAS77) And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.
(NASB) When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
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(TS2009) And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him.
(WEBA) When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint him.

So YHWH_will_uplift, do you want to continue in your defense of the (past tense) buying of those spices? Make no mistake, it was AFTER the Sabbath that those women went out and PURCHASED those spices, it was not BEFORE the Sabbath that they "had purchased" them. And the ONLY way to explain this is by understanding that Mark is speaking of the High Day Sabbath (John 19:31), the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

 

[ImAHebrew]

Look, I want to commend you for your efforts in really wanting to make sure that you've got things straight in your own mind: you need to step away from emotional reasoning and sarcasm as it causes you to jump the gun too soon. I know this from personal experience. Anyways not all of the events during the trial of Jesus occured on the same day for John 18:28 makes it clear that it was morning (i.e. the next day) after Peter had denied Christ for the third time. This is another great passage to prove that the day begins in the morning as before Jesus was led away unto the Judgment Hall the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crew: signifying that morning had come. What you are failing to understand is that once the first day has passed through its beginning, middle, and end points: the first day is over and gives way for the second day to begin its passage: therefore the second day cannot carry away the first day which has already reached its conclusion. This can be pictured by viewing the sun which rises in the east and progresses throughout the day and eventually sets in the west: all the time leading the beginning of the day, to the middle, and finally the end: from here the moon and stars follow behind the sun in order to govern the evening and lead it from beginning, to middle, to end.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, the DAY begins AT sunset. I am in total opposition to your teaching that the day begins at sunrise, when looking at the DAY according to how Yahweh Elohim established it (an evening and a morning...the day). It wasn't "morning and evening" a day, it was an "evening and THEN the morning...a day). And even the Day of Atonement PROVES it is from EVENING to EVENING for the FULL DAY (both EVENING and THEN MORNING, concluding the with the EVENING for a DAY) (Leviticus 23:32), NOT morning to morning for a day.

I would suggest that you totally re-evaluate your stance on just WHEN Yeshua was buried, and then resurrected, and it is not "sarcasm," it is just my desire for us to be truthful and sincere. And please consider that what I have shared with you about Luke 24:21 is not according to any commentators or religious "experts" teaching or understanding, it is something that you have never ever heard before, and you should take notice.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Now I understand why you say what you said. It is important to be wary of the headers for sections of scripture as at times they are made to imply something that is not there. My Sony's Bible app has The First Christmas for Jesus' birth: and this we know is completely false as He was born in the spring (and this I can prove with YHWH's calendar, as Luke states that the time Mary became pregnant was during the course of Abijah: who is recorded in the DSS and 1 Chronicles 24.
As for being judgmental I am simply following what Christ said: If we don't want judgment then don't judge others, if we do judge others then we must be prepared to be judged by the same standards we used in judging them.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the kind words. Concerning the point I was making, when the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Promised Land, and kept their FIRST Passover in the Promised Land, they ATE from the PRODUCE of the Land on the 15th Day of the FIRST Month. For that to be permissible, the 14th Day of the 1st Month (The Passover) had to fall on a WEEKLY Shabbat. Do you disagree? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, just a quick question. Your PREMISE that the women had already bought (past tense) the spices is based upon ONE translation that I can see, most just say they bought the spices, not (past tense). What is your opinion for that?

Mark 16:1
(ABP+) AndG2532 the elapsingG1230 of theG3588 Sabbath,G4521 MaryG* theG3588 Magdalene,G* andG2532 MaryG* the oneG3588 ofG3588 James,G* andG2532 Salome,G* boughtG59 aromatics,G759 thatG2443 having comeG2064 they should anointG218 him.G1473
(CJB) When Shabbat was over, Miryam of Magdala, Miryam the mother of Ya`akov, and Shlomit bought spices in order to go and anoint Yeshua.
(EMTV) Now when the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
(ESV) When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him.
(GW) When the day of worship was over, Mary from Magdala, Mary (the mother of James), and Salome bought spices to go and anoint Jesus.
(KJV) And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
(KJV+) AndG2532 when theG3588 sabbathG4521 was past,G1230 MaryG3137 Magdalene,G3094 andG2532 MaryG3137 theG3588 mother of James,G2385 andG2532 Salome,G4539 had boughtG59 sweet spices,G759 thatG2443 they might comeG2064 and anointG218 him.G846
(LEB) And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome purchased fragrant spices so that they could go and anoint him.
(LITV) And the sabbath passing, Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of James and Salome, bought spices, so that coming they might anoint Him.
(NAS77) And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him.
(NASB) When the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, so that they might come and anoint Him.
(NASB+) R1When the SabbathG4521 was overG1230, R2MaryG3137 MagdaleneG3094, and MaryG3137 the mother of N1JamesG2385, and SalomeG4539, R3boughtG59 spicesG759, soG2443 that they might comeG2064 and anointG218b Him.
(TS2009) And when the Sabbath was past, Miryam from Maḡdala, and Miryam the mother of Ya‛aqoḇ, and Shelomah bought spices, to go and anoint Him.
(WEBA) When the Sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint him.

So YHWH_will_uplift, do you want to continue in your defense of the (past tense) buying of those spices? Make no mistake, it was AFTER the Sabbath that those women went out and PURCHASED those spices, it was not BEFORE the Sabbath that they "had purchased" them. And the ONLY way to explain this is by understanding that Mark is speaking of the High Day Sabbath (John 19:31), the 1st day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread (Pesach). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

This is easy to prove for if you read the following verses state they did not come until after the three days and nights prophecy had been fulfilled. In the context of Mark 16:1 it simply states that they had bought more spices. As I stated before in my previous response to you Luke 24:1-24 says that after the women had bought and prepared the spices after the first Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread they went to the tomb a second time (i.e. on the third day): therefore there's no contradiction in the Gospels as you say. You wrongly assume that when they bought the spices according to Mark 16:1 that they went to the tomb the third day which Christ resurrected. If they did then Jesus would be lying and not fulfilling His prophecy about being the grave for three days and three nights; but, we know from the response of Jesus' enemies that He did indeed fulfill His Words: therefore the women came a second time only to the tomb in order to use the spices they bought and prepared on the third day: and not the day after the first Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, the DAY begins AT sunset. I am in total opposition to your teaching that the day begins at sunrise, when looking at the DAY according to how Yahweh Elohim established it (an evening and a morning...the day). It wasn't "morning and evening" a day, it was an "evening and THEN the morning...a day). And even the Day of Atonement PROVES it is from EVENING to EVENING for the FULL DAY (both EVENING and THEN MORNING, concluding the with the EVENING for a DAY) (Leviticus 23:32), NOT morning to morning for a day.

I would suggest that you totally re-evaluate your stance on just WHEN Yeshua was buried, and then resurrected, and it is not "sarcasm," it is just my desire for us to be truthful and sincere. And please consider that what I have shared with you about Luke 24:21 is not according to any commentators or religious "experts" teaching or understanding, it is something that you have never ever heard before, and you should take notice.

Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

You wrongly assume (as I once did) that because God did not call the Light until after the darkness was introduced, that there was no light: but you fail to see that God is the Light and therefore existed before He created the Light and the Darkness: this means that morning came first then evening, as we associate Light with Morning and Darkness with evening. If that was not enough proof then you are completely ignoring the clear evidence in Exodus 16:22-26:

"And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none."

"And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning."
-Leviticus 7:15

These two passages make it very clear that not only did the Israelites understand that the day began in the morning but, even Moses who wrote the Torah knew that Genesis 1:1-31 stated that the day began in the morning. Even nature teaches us that the day begins in the morning and ends in the evening. Not only this but, seeing as how God is Light which is Life: we may conclude that Death which is Darkness does not come before Life.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the kind words. Concerning the point I was making, when the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Promised Land, and kept their FIRST Passover in the Promised Land, they ATE from the PRODUCE of the Land on the 15th Day of the FIRST Month. For that to be permissible, the 14th Day of the 1st Month (The Passover) had to fall on a WEEKLY Shabbat. Do you disagree? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Sigh...you really are stuck in Darkness which is why you cannot see that after I proved to you when the calendar begins in the first month according to Genesis 1:1-2:3 that the Passover did not fall on the 7th Day of the Week. What are you proving by constantly harping on the fact that the land of Cannan was the first time they kept the Passover their? Did you know that the first Passover in their history was in Egypt: which is the first time they kept it in that land? Similarly during their time in Persia, was not that their first time celebrating Passover in Persia? What about their first Passover in Germany? France? The United States of America? California? Oh, and what about their very first Passover in New York and New Jersey? PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR FOOLISHNESS.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the kind words. Concerning the point I was making, when the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Promised Land, and kept their FIRST Passover in the Promised Land, they ATE from the PRODUCE of the Land on the 15th Day of the FIRST Month. For that to be permissible, the 14th Day of the 1st Month (The Passover) had to fall on a WEEKLY Shabbat. Do you disagree? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

How is it that you keep mixing up the waving of the sheaf offering on First Fruits with the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread? They do not occur anywhere near each other. Here is the schematic per Genesis 1:1-2:3:

Month 01
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______ (Week 01)

Month 02
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02 (Week 01)
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (Week 02)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (Week 03)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Week 04)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (Week 05)

Month 03
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 (Week 06)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (Week 07)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

Please tell me now how you still believe that the feasts fell according to your false reckoning? The Bible makes it clear that your reckoning nor, anyone else's will work if they do not follow the schematics laid out in Genesis 1:1-2:3.

 

[ImAHebrew]

This is easy to prove for if you read the following verses state they did not come until after the three days and nights prophecy had been fulfilled. In the context of Mark 16:1 it simply states that they had bought more spices. As I stated before in my previous response to you Luke 24:1-24 says that after the women had bought and prepared the spices after the first Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread they went to the tomb a second time (i.e. on the third day): therefore there's no contradiction in the Gospels as you say. You wrongly assume that when they bought the spices according to Mark 16:1 that they went to the tomb the third day which Christ resurrected. If they did then Jesus would be lying and not fulfilling His prophecy about being the grave for three days and three nights; but, we know from the response of Jesus' enemies that He did indeed fulfill His Words: therefore the women came a second time only to the tomb in order to use the spices they bought and prepared on the third day: and not the day after the first Sabbath of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, I do appreciate your continued effort to discuss this with me. I have read your response above multiple times, and I think you should re-read it several times yourself, before you read my response which follows.

First, I think I may have not been very clear in what you think I have said. Let me correct...I do not believe nor teach that the women went to the tomb on the 3rd day. Now, they were AT the tomb when the stone was rolled over the entrance to the tomb, and the NEXT time they went to the tomb was AFTER He was resurrected. He was resurrected at the END of the 3rd day, on the WEEKLY Sabbath at sunset (Saturday), and it was the NEXT morning (the 4th day) that the women go to the tomb to anoint Him with the burial ointments that they had bought and prepared on the day (Friday) prior to that weekly Sabbath. Luke 24:21, when PROPERLY translated - "Today (4th day), LEADS the 3rd day away," proves it was the 4th day instead of the 3rd day that the women went to the tomb to anoint Him. It might help you understand a little better if I restate my beliefs.

Yeshua died on Wednesday, which was the 14 day of the 1st month, and was place into the tomb right at the going down of the sun (the evening), just prior to the beginning of the High Day Sabbath (John 19:31), the 15th day of the 1st month. This 14th day of the 1st month (Wednesday), at sunset, began the FIRST night of the three days and three nights.

The women, who had followed Yeshua FROM Galilee (Matthew 27:55-56), witnessed the stone being rolled over the entrance of the tomb (Matthew 27:60-61), and as Luke states (Luke 23:56), they RETURNED, (apparently from where they had come from), and they then prepared the burial ointments, but did not have enough time to go to the tomb BEFORE the WEEKLY Sabbath began (The 7th Day Sabbath, which is Friday sunset to Saturday sunset), but rather had to rest on that WEEKLY Sabbath in obedience to the commandment (Luke 23:56). The Day in which the women bought and prepared those burial ointments was AFTER the High Day Sabbath (Mark 16:1), but BEFORE the WEEKLY Sabbath (Luke 23:56), which would have made it on Friday, the day BETWEEN the TWO Sabbaths. No where in that time frame did the women return to the tomb as you seem to say I claim. From just after Wednesday at sunset, all the way to Sunday morning (the 4th day), while it was yet dark (John 20:1), the women were away from the tomb. They did not go to the tomb ON the 3rd day, it was the 4th day that they came back to the tomb, after Yeshua had been resurrected at the end of the 3rd day.

Wednesday night was the 1st night, Thursday day was the 1st day, Thursday night was the 2nd night, Friday day was the 2nd day (when the spices were bought and prepared by the women), Friday night was the 3rd night, and Saturday day was the 3rd day. Thus you have your 3 days and 3 nights from Wednesday sunset to Saturday sunset. Yeshua came forth from the tomb at the end of the Weekly Sabbath, at sunset (Saturday evening), and then followed what the Oral Law commands for the person who was to WAVE the Sheaf of the Firstfruits (Leviticus 23:11, 15), on the morrow after the Weekly Sabbath that falls WITHIN the timeframe of Pesach. Hopefully this has clarified these issues for you a little better and that you can see that as Mark 16:1 indicates that AFTER the High Sabbath (Thursday), the women go out and purchase the ingredients for them to prepare the burial ointments, so that when they finish their preparation on Friday at sunset, they could then REST on the Weekly Sabbath in obedience to the command as Luke does indicate (Luke 23:56). Absolutely NO contradictions whatsoever. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

You wrongly assume (as I once did) that because God did not call the Light until after the darkness was introduced, that there was no light: but you fail to see that God is the Light and therefore existed before He created the Light and the Darkness: this means that morning came first then evening, as we associate Light with Morning and Darkness with evening. If that was not enough proof then you are completely ignoring the clear evidence in Exodus 16:22-26:

"And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses. And he said unto them, This is that which the Lord hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the Lord: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein. And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the Lord: to day ye shall not find it in the field. Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none."

"And the flesh of the sacrifice of his peace offerings for thanksgiving shall be eaten the same day that it is offered; he shall not leave any of it until the morning."
-Leviticus 7:15

These two passages make it very clear that not only did the Israelites understand that the day began in the morning but, even Moses who wrote the Torah knew that Genesis 1:1-31 stated that the day began in the morning. Even nature teaches us that the day begins in the morning and ends in the evening. Not only this but, seeing as how God is Light which is Life: we may conclude that Death which is Darkness does not come before Life.

Shalom Shabbat YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for responding, but your evidence is not very persuasive. What you really need to consider is that Elohim started mankind out in darkness (began with night), and then sent His Son as a LIGHT to this world, and it became the day (Matthew 4:16. John 9:4-5, John 12:35-36). Darkness FIRST and then the Light of the Day. In darkness, work cannot be done because the day time is needed for that work. Are there not 12 hours in the night, and then you have the 12 hours of the day where work can be accomplished without stumbling:

Joh 11:9-10
(9) Yeshua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
(10) But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

All I can say is for you to look at what Elohim has done, and that will tell you WHEN the day begins, and IF it starts with light, or starts with darkness. Your teaching tries to make just the 12 hours of light, the beginning and ending of the whole day, and this is incorrect. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

 

[ImAHebrew]

Sigh...you really are stuck in Darkness which is why you cannot see that after I proved to you when the calendar begins in the first month according to Genesis 1:1-2:3 that the Passover did not fall on the 7th Day of the Week. What are you proving by constantly harping on the fact that the land of Cannan was the first time they kept the Passover their? Did you know that the first Passover in their history was in Egypt: which is the first time they kept it in that land? Similarly during their time in Persia, was not that their first time celebrating Passover in Persia? What about their first Passover in Germany? France? The United States of America? California? Oh, and what about their very first Passover in New York and New Jersey? PLEASE STOP WITH YOUR FOOLISHNESS.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the reply, but I must say that you are making some misstatements. You have not PROVED to me what you think you have, that proof is something you have imagined in your own mind. And the first Passover that the Children of Israel kept when they entered the Land (not the Passover back in Egypt), fell on the 7th day weekly Sabbath. This Passover was a big deal. It was the FIRST one that they kept upon entering into the Land, and it just so happened that on the day AFTER this Passover of the 14th day of the 1st month, they ATE from the PRODUCE of the Land. For that to be acceptable, this Passover had to fall on a WEEKLY 7th Day Sabbath, period. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

How is it that you keep mixing up the waving of the sheaf offering on First Fruits with the Passover and the Feast of Unleavened Bread? They do not occur anywhere near each other. Here is the schematic per Genesis 1:1-2:3:

Month 01
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______ (Week 01)

Month 02
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_______________01 02 (Week 01)
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 (Week 02)
10 11 12 13 14 15 16 (Week 03)
17 18 19 20 21 22 23 (Week 04)
24 25 26 27 28 29 30 (Week 05)

Month 03
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
01 02 03 04 05 06 07 (Week 06)
08 09 10 11 12 13 14 (Week 07)
15 16 17 18 19 20 21
22 23 24 25 26 27 28
29 30_______________

Please tell me now how you still believe that the feasts fell according to your false reckoning? The Bible makes it clear that your reckoning nor, anyone else's will work if they do not follow the schematics laid out in Genesis 1:1-2:3.

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the response. Here's the thing, you are a little confused. The waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits on the MORROW after the 7th day Sabbath (Leviticus 23:10-11), that waving has to fall WITHIN the Days of Unleavened Bread. I believe you are mixing up the waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits, with the waving of the Two Loaves at Shavuot (Leviticus 23:15-20). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the response. Here's the thing, you are a little confused. The waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits on the MORROW after the 7th day Sabbath (Leviticus 23:10-11), that waving has to fall WITHIN the Days of Unleavened Bread. I believe you are mixing up the waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits, with the waving of the Two Loaves at Shavuot (Leviticus 23:15-20). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

All I have to say is that you're a dog that loves to return to its own vomit: Leviticus 23:11-20 are concerned about the waving of the sheaf which is 50 days before First Fruits.
Yes only work can be done in the day without stumbling: God is Light and therefore was not working in the darkness. God told Israel that they would keep the Passover wherever He made His Name to dwell and be known: God made Himself known to Israel and Egypt via the ten plagues: the tenth plague is when the first Passover in history occured.
You also willingly choose to remain ignorant to the Calendar of YHWH which does not support your Sabbath resurrection: and in addition Jesus could not have cooked fish according to your reckoning: if He did He would be violating the Sabbath. You also choose to ignore the clear fact that Moses who God chose to write the Torah declared the day to begin in the morning.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the response. Here's the thing, you are a little confused. The waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits on the MORROW after the 7th day Sabbath (Leviticus 23:10-11), that waving has to fall WITHIN the Days of Unleavened Bread. I believe you are mixing up the waving of the Sheaf of the Firstfruits, with the waving of the Two Loaves at Shavuot (Leviticus 23:15-20). Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

What calendar are you following? Did you not understand the layout and shematics of YHWH'S Calendar I posted. You sure talk out of your behind a lot.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shabbat Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the reply, but I must say that you are making some misstatements. You have not PROVED to me what you think you have, that proof is something you have imagined in your own mind. And the first Passover that the Children of Israel kept when they entered the Land (not the Passover back in Egypt), fell on the 7th day weekly Sabbath. This Passover was a big deal. It was the FIRST one that they kept upon entering into the Land, and it just so happened that on the day AFTER this Passover of the 14th day of the 1st month, they ATE from the PRODUCE of the Land. For that to be acceptable, this Passover had to fall on a WEEKLY 7th Day Sabbath, period. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

This also proves you're a fool: for if the Passover fell on the 7th Day Sabbath how could they light a fire and kill the lamb in the evening? Stupid, stupid, stupid...but, I forgive you because I was just as stupid for once believing what you still believe.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom Shabbat YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for responding, but your evidence is not very persuasive. What you really need to consider is that Elohim started mankind out in darkness (began with night), and then sent His Son as a LIGHT to this world, and it became the day (Matthew 4:16. John 9:4-5, John 12:35-36). Darkness FIRST and then the Light of the Day. In darkness, work cannot be done because the day time is needed for that work. Are there not 12 hours in the night, and then you have the 12 hours of the day where work can be accomplished without stumbling:

Joh 11:9-10
(9) Yeshua answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.
(10) But if a man walk in the night, he stumbleth, because there is no light in him.

All I can say is for you to look at what Elohim has done, and that will tell you WHEN the day begins, and IF it starts with light, or starts with darkness. Your teaching tries to make just the 12 hours of light, the beginning and ending of the whole day, and this is incorrect. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

Also if God started out mankind in Darkness then how would the story of Adam and Eve make sense? Adam and Eve were in the light of God in Eden before falling into sin which brought them out of the light and into darkness: therefore they started out in life and descended into death after disobeying God.

 

[ImAHebrew]

All I have to say is that you're a dog that loves to return to its own vomit: Leviticus 23:11-20 are concerned about the waving of the sheaf which is 50 days before First Fruits.
Yes only work can be done in the day without stumbling: God is Light and therefore was not working in the darkness. God told Israel that they would keep the Passover wherever He made His Name to dwell and be known: God made Himself known to Israel and Egypt via the ten plagues: the tenth plague is when the first Passover in history occured.
You also willingly choose to remain ignorant to the Calendar of YHWH which does not support your Sabbath resurrection: and in addition Jesus could not have cooked fish according to your reckoning: if He did He would be violating the Sabbath. You also choose to ignore the clear fact that Moses who God chose to write the Torah declared the day to begin in the morning.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for choosing to respond. Please explain this Scripture which proves/indicates the Sabbath begins AT sunset:

Joh 19:31
(31) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an High Day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Do you realize that when you break the legs of someone who is being crucified, they die within minutes (they cannot raise their bodies up and they suffocate). This breaking of their legs in the late afternoon of the preparation day, was so that they could be removed from hanging on the tree/cross, after sunset (Deuteronomy 21:23, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:26-27). So their bodies HAD to be removed BEFORE or AT sunset so their bodies would not REMAIN on the cross DURING the Sabbath...at SUNSET.

This PROVES that the Sabbath BEGINS at sunset, not sunsrise. This also proves that your calendar is incorrect. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

 

[ImAHebrew]

What calendar are you following? Did you not understand the layout and shematics of YHWH'S Calendar I posted. You sure talk out of your behind a lot.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the reply. I follow the calendar that Yeshua followed. Your calendar is not what Yeshua followed, and it is incorrect. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

This also proves you're a fool: for if the Passover fell on the 7th Day Sabbath how could they light a fire and kill the lamb in the evening? Stupid, stupid, stupid...but, I forgive you because I was just as stupid for once believing what you still believe.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for you taking the time to respond. Your knowledge of sacrifice and the Scriptures seem to be lacking. Do you not realize these basic things:

Lev 6:13
(13) The fire shall ever be burning upon the altar; it shall never go out.

Num 28:9-10
(9) And on the sabbath day two lambs of the first year without spot, and two tenth deals of flour for a meat offering, mingled with oil, and the drink offering thereof:
(10) This is the burnt offering of every sabbath, beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

Eze 46:4
(4) And the burnt offering that the prince shall offer unto the LORD in the sabbath day shall be six lambs without blemish, and a ram without blemish.

Now I ask, if the Sabbath can be "profaned" to perform the burning required for Sabbath Offerings (Matthew 12:5), why not for the Passover on the Sabbath? Your argument is very weak in denying that the Passover could fall ON the Sabbath. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Also if God started out mankind in Darkness then how would the story of Adam and Eve make sense? Adam and Eve were in the light of God in Eden before falling into sin which brought them out of the light and into darkness: therefore they started out in life and descended into death after disobeying God.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for taking the time to reply. You may find this to be against your beliefs, but the Apostle Paul indicated that Adam was "sown" in corruption, dishonour, weakness, and carnality (1 Corinthians 15:42-48), as Adam was FLESH. How do you think that Adam and Eve were in the light of Elohim when they were "sown" in such conditions? You see, Elohim CONSIGNED ALL to disobedience (Romans 11:32), and that included Adam and Eve. They started in DARKNESS/BLINDNESS, and did not realize their nakedness/sinfulness, but once they sinned, their eyes were OPENED, and they came to the KNOWLEDGE of how dark, naked, and sinful they really were (Genesis 3:7). This is why it was called the Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil. You have made the same mistake of most in thinking Adam and Eve were not FLESH/CARNAL, but that is how they were "sown," and those who are "carnal/flesh," cannot please Elohim, it is impossible for them to do so...they are in darkness (Romans 8:7-8). Your eyes have to be opened before you can come out from the darkness, and into the Light of Day. Night first, and then the Day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for choosing to respond. Please explain this Scripture which proves/indicates the Sabbath begins AT sunset:

Joh 19:31
(31) The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the Sabbath day, (for that Sabbath day was an High Day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Do you realize that when you break the legs of someone who is being crucified, they die within minutes (they cannot raise their bodies up and they suffocate). This breaking of their legs in the late afternoon of the preparation day, was so that they could be removed from hanging on the tree/cross, after sunset (Deuteronomy 21:23, Joshua 8:29, Joshua 10:26-27). So their bodies HAD to be removed BEFORE or AT sunset so their bodies would not REMAIN on the cross DURING the Sabbath...at SUNSET.

This PROVES that the Sabbath BEGINS at sunset, not sunsrise. This also proves that your calendar is incorrect. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew

Sigh...Passover and Day of Atonement are the only holydays whichare specifically commanded to begin in the evening: this does not negate how a day begins and ends. And you are also applying false inductive reasoning thinking that because one holyday is observed at sunset: therefore all of the days begin at sunset. This is false as you still have failed to refute the words of Moses concerning the day beginning at morning.