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But how could these verses be entirely unrelated.....
if the Holy Spirit is poured out on ALL FLESH?

Not only on Christians... not only on Jews... but even animals are affected by what is coming.

Have you read what former Atheist Howard Storm Ph. D. was shown the earth would look like by the year 2185.....(G-d willing)?

This verse and chapter is about Jesus return and the great and terrible day:
Zechariah 12:8
"In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them."

This verse is stating that john the Baptist was and is the greatest human who ever lived:
Luke 7:28
"For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he."

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, several things. Are we not told that the BEGINNING of Moons/Months was AT the Exodus:

Exo 12:2
(2) This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.

Have you ever considered that THIS beginning of Moons/Months was the BEGINNING of a PEOPLE starting to REFLECT the Light of ELohim?

Secondly, Luke 24:21 does not say what most think it says. Those two Disciples were distraught because the Third Day had come and gone, and it wasn't that they were distraught because it was still the MORNING of the Third day. Here is a proper rendering of that verse:

"But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. But even more so, together with all these things, today leads (G71) the third day away (G575) which (G3739) these things were done."

In their mind, it was the FOURTH Day since those things were done, as that FOURTH Day was leading the Third Day away. The key in understanding this properly is with G71 which the translators rendered "is," and that is not what it means. G71 means to lead, and THAT day was leading the Third Day AWAY, NOT that it was the Third Day. Does this make any sense to you? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

"Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."
-Luke 24:7

We see that it was still the third day and not the fourth day as you wrongly interpret. The day leading away is simply that: the day is being led away to end in order to begin the evening of that same day. Stop dwelling in Mysticism and step into the light brother.

 

[ImAHebrew]

"Saying, The Son of man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again."
-Luke 24:7

We see that it was still the third day and not the fourth day as you wrongly interpret. The day leading away is simply that: the day is being led away to end in order to begin the evening of that same day. Stop dwelling in Mysticism and step into the light brother.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the critique. We definitely need each other to hold our feet to the fire, so to speak, so that we get it correct.

I did notice that you brought up about the women who bought and prepared the burial spices/ointments, and it does play a very significant part to unraveling the time frame of Yeshua's entombment and resurrection.

I believe you will admit that Yeshua died on the afternoon of the 14th day of the 1st month (the Passover), and that He was placed in a tomb nearby, and that the sun was setting, as the Sabbath drew near (the 15th day of the month-1st day of Unleavened bread). Now the interesting point that I would direct you towards, is that the women, who bought the ingredients AFTER the Sabbath, rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the command, when they had finished preparing those ingredients--is not that a contradiction? Please follow this carefully. Mark 16:1 states that WHEN the Sabbath was OVER or PAST, the women bought the ingredients. Luke 23:56 states that the women, who were out at the tomb, watching the stone rolled over the entrance to the tomb (Mark 15:46-47), RETURNED. Now where did they RETURN to? It was sunset, the Sabbath was beginning, and just exactly were did they return to? I submit to you that where ever they did return to, they would not have had enough time to build a fire, boil oils, add the spices, and then strain it all to have the prepared ointment for His burial perfumes, BEFORE the Sabbath which followed the Passover BEGAN. Do you see the problem? Luke tells us that the women RETURNED and then did the necessary preparations for the burial ointments, and rested on the Sabbath, while Mark tells us that AFTER the Sabbath, they purchased the ingredients. The ONLY way that this can plausibly be explained is that Mark is referencing the High Sabbath of the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, the 15th day of the 1st month Sabbath, the day which ALWAYS follows the Passover (14th day of the 1st month). So WHEN this Sabbath was PAST or OVER, on the 16th day of the 1st month, the women purchase the ingredients, and on this 16th day of the 1st month, they prepare those burial ointments (which involved the whole day), and since they ran out of time, they had to stop and Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy, the 17th day of the 1st month, the Seventh Day of the Week.

The reason I bring this all up is because Yeshua died on Wednesday and was placed in the tomb right at sunset. The women were there watching the stone rolled into place and they returned to where they came from, and then AFTER the High Day Sabbath (Thursday), they went out and purchased those ingredients and prepared them on Friday. Then as Friday sunset was upon them, they rested on the WEEKLY Sabbath in obedience to the command (Saturday). At the end of the Sabbath, on Saturday, Yeshua rose from the tomb, and this was exactly 3 days and 3 nights from WHEN He was entombed. Then, when you correctly view Luke 24:21, it states that "THIS DAY" leads THE THIRD DAY AWAY, stating that this 1st Day of the Week, LEADS the third day away. That Sunday was the 4th day, NOT the 3rd day, as that Sunday was leading the 3rd day away. All of what I have just shared with you is irrefutable. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

P.S. Have you considered Joshua 5:11 where the Children of Israel kept their first Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and then the VERY next day they ate from the produce of the land (on the 15th), which could ONLY be eaten from AFTER the waving of the sheaf of the FirstFruits? And please, do not try to say that this was "old" grain they were eating, as the Hebrews who translated the Septuagint state it was "new," but some of the English translators see the conflict and try to say it was "old." So for these very FIRST keepers of the Passover in the Promised Land to be EATING of the produce of the land the very next day after the 14th day Passover, PROVES beyond any shadow of a doubt that THIS Passover, fell on a WEEKLY Sabbath, and the NEXT day, the morrow after this weekly Sabbath, after they waved the sheaf, they were allowed to eat, according to what is written in the Law. Another irrefutable proof that the lunar Sabbath is erroneous.

Obviously, over the millennia, Jewish scholars and rabbis have debated WHICH Sabbath is the Sabbath that should be counted from. Is it the Sabbath that is the 1st day of Unleavened bread, or the weekly Sabbath? This was debated extensively and for whatever reason they have chosen the 1st day of Unleavened bread Sabbath (the 15th day), but they are in error, as they should be acknowledging that the Sabbath which starts the count on it's morrow, is the 7th Day of the Week Sabbath, the one which Genesis 2:2 speaks of that after Elohim had WORKED the first 6 days of the week, He rested on the Seventh Day. No lunar sabbath, but a Seventh Day of the week Sabbath.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the critique. We definitely need each other to hold our feet to the fire, so to speak, so that we get it correct.

I did notice that you brought up about the women who bought and prepared the burial spices/ointments, and it does play a very significant part to unraveling the time frame of Yeshua's entombment and resurrection.

I believe you will admit that Yeshua died on the afternoon of the 14th day of the 1st month (the Passover), and that He was placed in a tomb nearby, and that the sun was setting, as the Sabbath drew near (the 15th day of the month-1st day of Unleavened bread). Now the interesting point that I would direct you towards, is that the women, who bought the ingredients AFTER the Sabbath, rested on the Sabbath in obedience to the command, when they had finished preparing those ingredients--is not that a contradiction? Please follow this carefully. Mark 16:1 states that WHEN the Sabbath was OVER or PAST, the women bought the ingredients. Luke 23:56 states that the women, who were out at the tomb, watching the stone rolled over the entrance to the tomb (Mark 15:46-47), RETURNED. Now where did they RETURN to? It was sunset, the Sabbath was beginning, and just exactly were did they return to? I submit to you that where ever they did return to, they would not have had enough time to build a fire, boil oils, add the spices, and then strain it all to have the prepared ointment for His burial perfumes, BEFORE the Sabbath which followed the Passover BEGAN. Do you see the problem? Luke tells us that the women RETURNED and then did the necessary preparations for the burial ointments, and rested on the Sabbath, while Mark tells us that AFTER the Sabbath, they purchased the ingredients. The ONLY way that this can plausibly be explained is that Mark is referencing the High Sabbath of the 1st Day of Unleavened Bread, the 15th day of the 1st month Sabbath, the day which ALWAYS follows the Passover (14th day of the 1st month). So WHEN this Sabbath was PAST or OVER, on the 16th day of the 1st month, the women purchase the ingredients, and on this 16th day of the 1st month, they prepare those burial ointments (which involved the whole day), and since they ran out of time, they had to stop and Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy, the 17th day of the 1st month, the Seventh Day of the Week.

The reason I bring this all up is because Yeshua died on Wednesday and was placed in the tomb right at sunset. The women were there watching the stone rolled into place and they returned to where they came from, and then AFTER the High Day Sabbath (Thursday), they went out and purchased those ingredients and prepared them on Friday. Then as Friday sunset was upon them, they rested on the WEEKLY Sabbath in obedience to the command (Saturday). At the end of the Sabbath, on Saturday, Yeshua rose from the tomb, and this was exactly 3 days and 3 nights from WHEN He was entombed. Then, when you correctly view Luke 24:21, it states that "THIS DAY" leads THE THIRD DAY AWAY, stating that this 1st Day of the Week, LEADS the third day away. That Sunday was the 4th day, NOT the 3rd day, as that Sunday was leading the 3rd day away. All of what I have just shared with you is irrefutable. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

You are ill informed for you err in not understanding the correct time and place of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; and, that of the Passover and Sabbath. Yes Jesus was crucified in the afternoon, you are not making any significant point there. If we compare all four Gospel accounts then we see that they are in agreement: Joseph and Nicodemus lay and wrap the body of Christ in the tomb (see Mark 15:42-46 Cf. Luke 23:50-54, John 19:38-42); Mary and the other women follow Joseph and Nicodemus in order to know where Jesus has been buried in order that they might prepare spices and ointments for Christ themselves: this is why they return after having bought the aforementioned items (see Matthew 28:1 ff., Mark 15:47-16:2 ff. Cf. Luke 23:55-24:1 ff., John 20:1 ff.). We see then that there is no contradiction between these accounts. The contradiction which arises can be seen in the Greek as well as the English for the translators write "...first day of the week..." but, this is wrong for from the context in all of the Gospel accounts it is made clear that the women did not return the after the Sabbath of the 1st Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; nor, the Sabbath of the 7th Day of the Week; nor, of the Sabbath of the 7th Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread:

Month 01
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

In the Greek the word for week is Sabbaton which denotes plural Sabbaths but, why is week used? That is because the writers wanted it to be clear that it was not either of the three Sabbaths that Christ rose but more specifically, in the week that those Sabbaths fell: namely the week of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This is made clearer in the English when we understand that day is in italics: meaning that the word is not found in the original manuscripts. Now to be fair we have many of these passages which have italicized but, as is often the case they are mainly inserted to give clarity to the passage which would otherwise be unintelligible in English . Examples of this can be seen in the creation week where we read:

"...:and God saw that good..."

"...:and God saw that it was good..."

Getting back to the Gospels we see that day does not belong in the text as it does not add clarity to the text but, distorts the context of it: for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread had already passed and, we know mathematically that the 1st Day of the Week (e.g. Sunday) does not qualify as it would betray the Greek Sabbaton. My final piece of evidence is Luke 24:1-24. We are told that the women came to the tomb on the first week (v. 1-4); two angels reminds them that He would rise on the third day (vv.5-7); the women tell the apostles who, run to check their testimony (vv. 8-12); two of the apostles (one being Cleopas) are walking to Emmaus in Jerusalem and run into Jesus whom they recgonize not, and they tell Jesus that today is the third day that the Messiah was to rise: that day being the same day which the women saw the angels and the apostles saw the tomb of Christ empty (vv. 13-24). In conclusion it is clear from scripture, the Greek and English, YHWH's Calendar, mathematics, and logic that Christ in the 1st Month:

Was buried the 14th (Tuesday) in the afternoon.
(0 Days 1 Night)
15th Day (Wednesday)
(1 Day 2 Nights)
16th Day (Thursday)
(2 Days 3 Nights)
Rose the 17th Day (Friday) in the morning
(3 Days 3 Nights)

This is why the women come early in the morning and after taking Luke into account we see that all of these things occured in the same day as stated in the other three Gospels: Luke is the only one of the three to explicitly say these things occured on the third day while the other three Gospels imply that this happened due to his ressurection and the priests bribing the guards to spread a false lie about Jesus fulfilling the resurrection.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

P.S. Have you considered Joshua 5:11 where the Children of Israel kept their first Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and then the VERY next day they ate from the produce of the land (on the 15th), which could ONLY be eaten from AFTER the waving of the sheaf of the FirstFruits? And please, do not try to say that this was "old" grain they were eating, as the Hebrews who translated the Septuagint state it was "new," but some of the English translators see the conflict and try to say it was "old." So for these very FIRST keepers of the Passover in the Promised Land to be EATING of the produce of the land the very next day after the 14th day Passover, PROVES beyond any shadow of a doubt that THIS Passover, fell on a WEEKLY Sabbath, and the NEXT day, the morrow after this weekly Sabbath, after they waved the sheaf, they were allowed to eat, according to what is written in the Law. Another irrefutable proof that the lunar Sabbath is erroneous.

Obviously, over the millennia, Jewish scholars and rabbis have debated WHICH Sabbath is the Sabbath that should be counted from. Is it the Sabbath that is the 1st day of Unleavened bread, or the weekly Sabbath? This was debated extensively and for whatever reason they have chosen the 1st day of Unleavened bread Sabbath (the 15th day), but they are in error, as they should be acknowledging that the Sabbath which starts the count on it's morrow, is the 7th Day of the Week Sabbath, the one which Genesis 2:2 speaks of that after Elohim had WORKED the first 6 days of the week, He rested on the Seventh Day. No lunar sabbath, but a Seventh Day of the week Sabbath.

Where do you get your proofs from? The very first Passover the Israelites ever observed was the one before their Exodus from Egypt. As for the 'new' vs 'old' grain I have read the MT and the LXX and there is no contradiction as new does not equal first fruits:

"Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me."
-Exodus 22:29

"For all the firstborn of the children of Israel are mine, both man and beast: on the day that I smote every firstborn in the land of Egypt I sanctified them for myself."
-Numbers 8:17

We see that only the first born (i.e. first fruits) of man and animals had the special rule to given to God after eight days had passed: this is not true with the produce of the land. And there is nowhere in the Law that states that the Israelites could not eat of the new produce until the First Fruits: they coould not eat of the First Fruits which were ripe and thier first new wine. The only law which commands the Israelites to eat of the old produce and not the new concerns the Sabbath for the Land (see Leviticus 25:18-22).
And concerning the timing for the First Fruits and the Feast of Shavuot we begin counting on the 26th Day of the 1st Month on the 1st Day of the Week (e.g. Sunday) count fifty days later and we reach the 15th Day of the 3rd Month on the 1st Day of the Week: this fulfills thhe law which tells us that this day will fall on the morrow after the seventh Sabbath has been completed.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

@ImAHebrew I never claimed to be a lunar Sabbatarian: and I make this very clear as I am in agreement with Genesis 1:14-19 which indirectly tells us to follow the Sun as it is the greater light; and, this is restated in 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and the DSS.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

@ImAHebrew How can a day be led away that has already passed? You said that it was the fourth day when Cleopas and the other apostle spoke to Jesus: with that logic I can say that on the fifth day which was leading away the other four days before it came to pass. You cannot lead away a part of a day which has already passed.

 

[ImAHebrew]

You are ill informed for you err in not understanding the correct time and place of Christ's death, burial, and resurrection; and, that of the Passover and Sabbath. Yes Jesus was crucified in the afternoon, you are not making any significant point there. If we compare all four Gospel accounts then we see that they are in agreement: Joseph and Nicodemus lay and wrap the body of Christ in the tomb (see Mark 15:42-46 Cf. Luke 23:50-54, John 19:38-42); Mary and the other women follow Joseph and Nicodemus in order to know where Jesus has been buried in order that they might prepare spices and ointments for Christ themselves: this is why they return after having bought the aforementioned items (see Matthew 28:1 ff., Mark 15:47-16:2 ff. Cf. Luke 23:55-24:1 ff., John 20:1 ff.). We see then that there is no contradiction between these accounts. The contradiction which arises can be seen in the Greek as well as the English for the translators write "...first day of the week..." but, this is wrong for from the context in all of the Gospel accounts it is made clear that the women did not return the after the Sabbath of the 1st Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread; nor, the Sabbath of the 7th Day of the Week; nor, of the Sabbath of the 7th Day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread:

Month 01
01 02 03 04 05 06 07
_________01 02 03 04
05 06 07 08 09 10 11
12 13 14 15 16 17 18
19 20 21 22 23 24 25
26 27 28 29 30______

In the Greek the word for week is Sabbaton which denotes plural Sabbaths but, why is week used? That is because the writers wanted it to be clear that it was not either of the three Sabbaths that Christ rose but more specifically, in the week that those Sabbaths fell: namely the week of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. This is made clearer in the English when we understand that day is in italics: meaning that the word is not found in the original manuscripts. Now to be fair we have many of these passages which have italicized but, as is often the case they are mainly inserted to give clarity to the passage which would otherwise be unintelligible in English . Examples of this can be seen in the creation week where we read:

"...:and God saw that good..."

"...:and God saw that it was good..."

Getting back to the Gospels we see that day does not belong in the text as it does not add clarity to the text but, distorts the context of it: for the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread had already passed and, we know mathematically that the 1st Day of the Week (e.g. Sunday) does not qualify as it would betray the Greek Sabbaton. My final piece of evidence is Luke 24:1-24. We are told that the women came to the tomb on the first week (v. 1-4); two angels reminds them that He would rise on the third day (vv.5-7); the women tell the apostles who, run to check their testimony (vv. 8-12); two of the apostles (one being Cleopas) are walking to Emmaus in Jerusalem and run into Jesus whom they recgonize not, and they tell Jesus that today is the third day that the Messiah was to rise: that day being the same day which the women saw the angels and the apostles saw the tomb of Christ empty (vv. 13-24). In conclusion it is clear from scripture, the Greek and English, YHWH's Calendar, mathematics, and logic that Christ in the 1st Month:

Was buried the 14th (Tuesday) in the afternoon.
(0 Days 1 Night)
15th Day (Wednesday)
(1 Day 2 Nights)
16th Day (Thursday)
(2 Days 3 Nights)
Rose the 17th Day (Friday) in the morning
(3 Days 3 Nights)

This is why the women come early in the morning and after taking Luke into account we see that all of these things occured in the same day as stated in the other three Gospels: Luke is the only one of the three to explicitly say these things occured on the third day while the other three Gospels imply that this happened due to his ressurection and the priests bribing the guards to spread a false lie about Jesus fulfilling the resurrection.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the critique. There are several points that you make which we should delve into a little more.

1. The women who were at the tomb, watching the stone rolled into place (Mark 15:46-47), RETURNED to somewhere (Luke 23:56). Where did they return to (Matthew 27:55, Mark 15:41, Luke 23:55)?

2. Those same women, AFTER the Sabbath, purchase ingredients so that they could prepare burial ointments. What Sabbath did they purchase those ingredients AFTER (Mark 16:1)?

3. Those same women, who prepared those ingredients that they HAD purchased AFTER the Sabbath, then RESTED on the Sabbath in obedience to the Commandment (Luke 23:56). So, can you explain how they PURCHASED the ingredients AFTER the Sabbath, and then RESTED on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment, AFTER they prepared what they had previously purchased?

You see YHWH_will_uplift, you need to explain Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56. When, and IF you can, then we will see eye to eye. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Where do you get your proofs from? The very first Passover the Israelites ever observed was the one before their Exodus from Egypt. As for the 'new' vs 'old' grain I have read the MT and the LXX and there is no contradiction as new does not equal first fruits:

"Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me. Likewise shalt thou do with thine oxen, and with thy sheep: seven days it shall be with his dam; on the eighth day thou shalt give it me."
-Exodus 22:29

"For all the firstborn of the children of Israel are mine, both man and beast: on the day that I smote every firstborn in the land of Egypt I sanctified them for myself."
-Numbers 8:17

We see that only the first born (i.e. first fruits) of man and animals had the special rule to given to God after eight days had passed: this is not true with the produce of the land. And there is nowhere in the Law that states that the Israelites could not eat of the new produce until the First Fruits: they coould not eat of the First Fruits which were ripe and thier first new wine. The only law which commands the Israelites to eat of the old produce and not the new concerns the Sabbath for the Land (see Leviticus 25:18-22).
And concerning the timing for the First Fruits and the Feast of Shavuot we begin counting on the 26th Day of the 1st Month on the 1st Day of the Week (e.g. Sunday) count fifty days later and we reach the 15th Day of the 3rd Month on the 1st Day of the Week: this fulfills thhe law which tells us that this day will fall on the morrow after the seventh Sabbath has been completed.

Shalom Again YHWH_will_uplift, your critique is very persistent. I would think that you should read what I say a little more clearly. I did not say that the Children of Israel were keeping the very FIRST Passover, you misunderstood, I said that they were keeping the very FIRST Passover when they ENTERED into the Promised Land. You should have caught that distinction and not falsely accused me.

Secondly, you need to grasp what was transpiring WHEN the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Promised Land:

Lev 23:10-11
(10) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
(11) And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahweh, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

So in Joshua 5:11, WHEN the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Land, they KEPT the Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and the MORROW AFTER that 14th day, they ATE of the NEW produce of the LAND. This PROVES that the 14th day of the 1st Month WAS a Sabbath, a 7th Day WEEKLY Sabbath, for them to be able to EAT from the PRODUCE of the Land (Leviticus 23:11 and Leviticus 23:14). Why is this so difficult to grasp? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

@ImAHebrew I never claimed to be a lunar Sabbatarian: and I make this very clear as I am in agreement with Genesis 1:14-19 which indirectly tells us to follow the Sun as it is the greater light; and, this is restated in 1 Enoch, Jubilees, and the DSS.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the clarification, for I thought that you WERE a lunar Sabbatarian. So, what are you? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

@ImAHebrew How can a day be led away that has already passed? You said that it was the fourth day when Cleopas and the other apostle spoke to Jesus: with that logic I can say that on the fifth day which was leading away the other four days before it came to pass. You cannot lead away a part of a day which has already passed.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the question. What you need to ask is HOW can the Third Day lead ITSELF away? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the question. What you need to ask is HOW can the Third Day lead ITSELF away? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Sigh...very simple:
Time is meant to pass from beginning, to middle, to end: there was evening and there was morning day one...Please read Genesis 1:1-31.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you for the clarification, for I thought that you WERE a lunar Sabbatarian. So, what are you? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

If you read my responses to you carefully or bothered to read my blog--instead of yapping your mouth aimlessy--you would know that I am in support of a solar calendar of 360 Days + 4 Intercalary Days as mentioned in 1 Enoch, Bible, and Jubilees.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom Again YHWH_will_uplift, your critique is very persistent. I would think that you should read what I say a little more clearly. I did not say that the Children of Israel were keeping the very FIRST Passover, you misunderstood, I said that they were keeping the very FIRST Passover when they ENTERED into the Promised Land. You should have caught that distinction and not falsely accused me.

Secondly, you need to grasp what was transpiring WHEN the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Promised Land:

Lev 23:10-11
(10) Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:
(11) And he shall wave the sheaf before Yahweh, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.

So in Joshua 5:11, WHEN the Children of Israel ENTERED into the Land, they KEPT the Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and the MORROW AFTER that 14th day, they ATE of the NEW produce of the LAND. This PROVES that the 14th day of the 1st Month WAS a Sabbath, a 7th Day WEEKLY Sabbath, for them to be able to EAT from the PRODUCE of the Land (Leviticus 23:11 and Leviticus 23:14). Why is this so difficult to grasp? Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

*Round of applause* you did a horrible job of not reading what I wrote to you. I proved to you that the sheaf offering is not waved until the 26th of the 1st Month as 49 Days later would bring us to the seventh sabbath of the 3rd Month (i.e. the 14th Day of the 3rd Month) and the 50th Day would be the 15th Day of the 3rd Month which is: the morrow after the seventh Sabbath has been completed. If you begin counting from the 15th of the 1st Month you would end up with 9 Sabbaths (i.e. the Sabbath on the first day of the feast + the weekly sabbath + the second sabbath on the seventh day of the feast + seven more sabbaths = 9 Sabbaths); and, if you began on the morrow after the Sabbath of the seventh day of the feast you would have eight sabbaths completed. Additionally you also fail to recognize that wherever God dwelt and made His Name known is where the Israelites to keep Passover and all of His feasts and Laws (e.g. the time of the Judges, Ruth, I Samuel-II Chronicles...even to the time of Jesus...

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

@ImAHebrew "P.S. Have you considered Joshua 5:11where the Children of Israel kept their first Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and then the VERY next day they ate from the produce of the land (on the 15th), which could ONLY be eaten from AFTER the waving of the sheaf of the FirstFruits?"

"Shalom Again YHWH_will_uplift, your critique is very persistent. I would think that you should read what I say a little more clearly. I did not say that the Children of Israel were keeping the very FIRST Passover, you misunderstood, I said that they were keeping the very FIRST Passover when they ENTERED into the Promised Land. You should have caught that distinction and not falsely accused me."

You told me three times while contradicting yourself in the same breath that Joshua 5:11 was the very first Passover they kept. Whether they entered into the promise land or not your cited passage was not their very first Passover.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, thank you again for the critique. There are several points that you make which we should delve into a little more.

1. The women who were at the tomb, watching the stone rolled into place (Mark 15:46-47), RETURNED to somewhere (Luke 23:56). Where did they return to (Matthew 27:55, Mark 15:41, Luke 23:55)?

2. Those same women, AFTER the Sabbath, purchase ingredients so that they could prepare burial ointments. What Sabbath did they purchase those ingredients AFTER (Mark 16:1)?

3. Those same women, who prepared those ingredients that they HAD purchased AFTER the Sabbath, then RESTED on the Sabbath in obedience to the Commandment (Luke 23:56). So, can you explain how they PURCHASED the ingredients AFTER the Sabbath, and then RESTED on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment, AFTER they prepared what they had previously purchased?

You see YHWH_will_uplift, you need to explain Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56. When, and IF you can, then we will see eye to eye. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

I've shown how all four Gospels are in harmony. To answer your supposed contradiction concerning Mark 16:1 and Luke 23:56: the former states that the women had bought (past tense) spices: this means that they simply brought the spices they had already bought and prepared after returning from the tomb where Jesus was laid. You assume that they bought the spices after the Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. Anyways I already showed you my other proofs and the math and the linguistics which proves that the women did not come to the tomb the day that you stated.

 

[ImAHebrew]

@ImAHebrew "P.S. Have you considered Joshua 5:11where the Children of Israel kept their first Passover on the 14th day of the 1st Month, and then the VERY next day they ate from the produce of the land (on the 15th), which could ONLY be eaten from AFTER the waving of the sheaf of the FirstFruits?"

"Shalom Again YHWH_will_uplift, your critique is very persistent. I would think that you should read what I say a little more clearly. I did not say that the Children of Israel were keeping the very FIRST Passover, you misunderstood, I said that they were keeping the very FIRST Passover when they ENTERED into the Promised Land. You should have caught that distinction and not falsely accused me."

You told me three times while contradicting yourself in the same breath that Joshua 5:11 was the very first Passover they kept. Whether they entered into the promise land or not your cited passage was not their very first Passover.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, OK, I'll give you this one, even though the KJV titles this section of Scripture "First Passover in Cannan," and in your quote of me if you had read several sentences down you would have read this, "So for these very FIRST keepers of the Passover in the Promised Land to be EATING of the produce of the land the very next day after the 14th day Passover.." you might not should have been so judgmental. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[ImAHebrew]

Sigh...very simple:
Time is meant to pass from beginning, to middle, to end: there was evening and there was morning day one...Please read Genesis 1:1-31.

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, so what you are telling me is that when Luke said, "Today, LEADS (G71) the third day away..." he was considering something very simple that time is meant to pass from beginning, to middle, to end? So if you look at that word for LEADS (G71) and see it in another example, we could use your very simple explanation?

Joh 18:28
(28) Then led (G71) they Yeshua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

So with your simple explanation, Yeshua really wasn't led away FROM Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment, because Caiaphas and the hall of judgment had to be the same, that is, IF "TODAY" IS the same as the "third day," instead of "TODAY" leading the third day away.

What should clue you in here YHWH_will_uplift is the fact that most of the translators changed G71 from it's true meaning (to lead) and added in their own preconceived belief of "THAT DAY-TODAY" IS the third day. And when you really think about it, for one day to be leading another day away, would not make them the same day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, OK, I'll give you this one, even though the KJV titles this section of Scripture "First Passover in Cannan," and in your quote of me if you had read several sentences down you would have read this, "So for these very FIRST keepers of the Passover in the Promised Land to be EATING of the produce of the land the very next day after the 14th day Passover.." you might not should have been so judgmental. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Now I understand why you say what you said. It is important to be wary of the headers for sections of scripture as at times they are made to imply something that is not there. My Sony's Bible app has The First Christmas for Jesus' birth: and this we know is completely false as He was born in the spring (and this I can prove with YHWH's calendar, as Luke states that the time Mary became pregnant was during the course of Abijah: who is recorded in the DSS and 1 Chronicles 24.
As for being judgmental I am simply following what Christ said: If we don't want judgment then don't judge others, if we do judge others then we must be prepared to be judged by the same standards we used in judging them.

 

[YHWH_will_uplift]

Shalom YHWH_will_uplift, so what you are telling me is that when Luke said, "Today, LEADS (G71) the third day away..." he was considering something very simple that time is meant to pass from beginning, to middle, to end? So if you look at that word for LEADS (G71) and see it in another example, we could use your very simple explanation?

Joh 18:28
(28) Then led (G71) they Yeshua from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover.

So with your simple explanation, Yeshua really wasn't led away FROM Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment, because Caiaphas and the hall of judgment had to be the same, that is, IF "TODAY" IS the same as the "third day," instead of "TODAY" leading the third day away.

What should clue you in here YHWH_will_uplift is the fact that most of the translators changed G71 from it's true meaning (to lead) and added in their own preconceived belief of "THAT DAY-TODAY" IS the third day. And when you really think about it, for one day to be leading another day away, would not make them the same day. Blessings in The Name, ImAHebrew.

Look, I want to commend you for your efforts in really wanting to make sure that you've got things straight in your own mind: you need to step away from emotional reasoning and sarcasm as it causes you to jump the gun too soon. I know this from personal experience. Anyways not all of the events during the trial of Jesus occured on the same day for John 18:28 makes it clear that it was morning (i.e. the next day) after Peter had denied Christ for the third time. This is another great passage to prove that the day begins in the morning as before Jesus was led away unto the Judgment Hall the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crew: signifying that morning had come. What you are failing to understand is that once the first day has passed through its beginning, middle, and end points: the first day is over and gives way for the second day to begin its passage: therefore the second day cannot carry away the first day which has already reached its conclusion. This can be pictured by viewing the sun which rises in the east and progresses throughout the day and eventually sets in the west: all the time leading the beginning of the day, to the middle, and finally the end: from here the moon and stars follow behind the sun in order to govern the evening and lead it from beginning, to middle, to end.