your thoughts on aliens/ extra terrestials?

[Wiccan_Child]

I've often joked that the iron of sub light travel is that you could travel for 50 years to nearest star, and while 800+ years passed on earth they already figured out FTL travel and long since colonized :>

That would imply v = 0.998c, and by the time we can make habitable spaceships do that we may already have FTL travel! It also implies a distance of 49.93 lightyears, that would take us rather close to the Earth-like Gliese 163 C - aliens!

(Also, I love how, on this list, some planets are more habitable than Earth itself!)

 

[loveofourlord]

That would imply v = 0.998c, and by the time we can make habitable spaceships do that we may already have FTL travel! It also implies a distance of 49.93 lightyears, that would take us rather close to the Earth-like Gliese 163 C - aliens!

(Also, I love how, on this list, some planets are more habitable than Earth itself!)

I forget the exact equation :> I just remember a old book talking about that, but even if we travled at 80 % the speed of light or such it still have some effect.

Of course we run into the problem of, FTL and such may be in fact 100% impossible, in which case we have to rely on cryogenics or such to travel long distances. But frankly I wouldn't be opposed to a long trip even if one way as long as I could live to old age.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I forget the exact equation :> I just remember a old book talking about that, but even if we travled at 80 % the speed of light or such it still have some effect.

Your numbers are fine.

If 800 years pass on Earth and 50 years pass on the spaceship, then that tells us the gamma factor: 50/800 = 0.0625.
Since the gamma factor is a function of velocity, we know the ship must be moving at 0.998c.
Since we know time and velocity, we know distance: 0.99c x 50 years = 50 lightyears.

Of course we run into the problem of, FTL and such may be in fact 100% impossible, in which case we have to rely on cryogenics or such to travel long distances. But frankly I wouldn't be opposed to a long trip even if one way as long as I could live to old age.

I like the idea of generational starships as a way to overcame the vastness of space. It would create a cultural disconnect, though, a bit like in Wall-E - an epic game of Chinese Whispers across the generations would probably distort any message or mission we want to send to the destination.

 

[lesliedellow]

I like the idea of generational starships as a way to overcame the vastness of space. It would create a cultural disconnect, though, a bit like in Wall-E - an epic game of Chinese Whispers across the generations would probably distort any message or mission we want to send to the destination.

Admittedly, it sounds like a nutty project, never likely to get off the ground, but a few months ago I read about a group planning to take a trip to the stars. Of course, they realised it would be a one way trip, and it would take countless generations before they arrived at their destination (most likely to find it uninhabited, and without a breathable atmosphere, when they got there) but still they were looking for volunteers.

Maybe you would like to sign up?

Should you feel wholly able to decline that offer, I wonder what makes you think anybody else would be more enthusiastic about taking it up?

 

[freezerman2000]

Admittedly, it sounds like a nutty project, never likely to get off the ground, but a few months ago I read about a group planning to take a trip to the stars. Of course, they realised it would be a one way trip, and it would take countless generations before they arrived at their destination (most likely to find it uninhabited, and without a breathable atmosphere, when they got there) but still they were looking for volunteers.

Maybe you would like to sign up?

Should you feel wholly able to decline that offer, I wonder what makes you think anybody else would be more enthusiastic about taking it up?

I would sign up..if they would take me.

Maybe because of our humanly desire to explore the unexplored?
Remember,Columbus's sailors just "knew" that they were going to sail off the edge of the earth,yet they went anyway.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Admittedly, it sounds like a nutty project, never likely to get off the ground, but a few months ago I read about a group planning to take a trip to the stars. Of course, they realised it would be a one way trip, and it would take countless generations before they arrived at their destination (most likely to find it uninhabited, and without a breathable atmosphere, when they got there) but still they were looking for volunteers.

Maybe you would like to sign up?

Should you feel wholly able to decline that offer, I wonder what makes you think anybody else would be more enthusiastic about taking it up?

That surely depends entirely on the individual. I wouldn't sign up for a generational starship, but neither would I enter the Grand Prix. What others want to do is entirely up to them.

 

[lesliedellow]

I would sign up..if they would take me.

Maybe because of our humanly desire to explore the unexplored?
Remember,Columbus's sailors just "knew" that they were going to sail off the edge of the earth,yet they went anyway.

That is a myth, invented as a piece of anti-Christian propaganda in the nineteenth century. They might have thought the Sun orbited the Earth, but they didn't think the Earth was flat.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I would sign up..if they would take me.

Maybe because of our humanly desire to explore the unexplored?
Remember,Columbus's sailors just "knew" that they were going to sail off the edge of the earth,yet they went anyway.

The idea that people in the 1500s thought the Earth was flat is a Victorian myth - that the Earth is round has been common knowledge for thousands of years, since the time of the ancient Greeks. Take at look at the 1245 Gautier de Metz. Virtually every mention of the Earth's shape in the 1000 year Medieval period called if spherical, not flat.

That is a myth, invented as a piece of anti-Christian propaganda in the nineteenth century. They might have thought the Sun orbited the Earth, but they didn't think the Earth was flat.

I don't think it was outright anti-Christian propaganda, but a mixture of Victorian romanticism, particularily people taking Washington Irving's highly romanticised 1828 A History of the Life and Voyagers of Christopher Columbus to be a genuine scholarly work. It helped stoke the fires of irreligious thought, the development of the conflict thesis, and Jean Letronne's genuine antireligious propaganda, but I think the myth itself grew up as just one of those popular misconceptions.

 

[Doveaman]

As of the end of February, there were better than 1800 other known worlds, in about 1100 other solar systems.

The original OP was referring to intelligent life, not dead planets.

Original OP:

Hi everyone. I believe in aliens and at the moment I am unable to find that one quote in the bible that says something like "among the rulers of the worlds was Satan" so that is saying Satan rules this world so others rule other worlds. I have also read and seen enough evidence to believe in them. What do you guys think about them?

Edit okay not evidence. I meant testimonies and signs. Not pure evidence...

He believes in “aliens”.

 

[Doveaman]

Um, there are other planets, even our solar system has some other than earth. We use telescopes to physically see others outside of the solar system.

I’m not sure of the point you are making here. “Other planets” is not evidence of intelligent alien life.

 

[Doveaman]

"Einstein, stop telling God what to do."

Maybe you should take Niels Bohr's advice to Albert Einstein.

Why should I? I’m not telling God what to do.

I’m just making an observation rather than speculate about intelligent alien life.

Of course God can create intelligent alien life on other planets, but there is no evidence He did.

And yes, if God created intelligent alien life they would be expected to live according to God’s will, or fall into sin. After all, sin is the rejection of God’s will.

They would then either perish eternally for sin or be redeemed through Christ' death.

But their redemption would require that Christ die over and over again throughout the universe for each alien world.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

I’m not sure of the point you are making here. “Other planets” is not evidence of intelligent alien life.

I think she's referring to your statement that, "You are assuming other worlds exist, for which there is no evidence" - technically, other worlds have been known since time immemorial.

 

[loveofourlord]

Admittedly, it sounds like a nutty project, never likely to get off the ground, but a few months ago I read about a group planning to take a trip to the stars. Of course, they realised it would be a one way trip, and it would take countless generations before they arrived at their destination (most likely to find it uninhabited, and without a breathable atmosphere, when they got there) but still they were looking for volunteers.

Maybe you would like to sign up?

Should you feel wholly able to decline that offer, I wonder what makes you think anybody else would be more enthusiastic about taking it up?

Probably the second or third trip :> Lets take mars one, I'm NOT opposed to such a trip if it's shown that baring accidents you can live there 30-40 years, I be happy to make a one way trip if I got to live there for a long time, but I want to make sure the trip was safe. It seems crazy and such, but lets not forget history is full of people doing these things, going to mars in some ways isn't much different then going to say the new world was. Maybe better as we know whats on mars and can better prepare.

And if the earth keeps having problems there maybe be a day we leave just to survive.

 

[loveofourlord]

The original OP was referring to intelligent life, not dead planets.

Original OP: He believes in “aliens”.

well neither are we talking about dead planets, were talking about unknown planets. We don't know if life is there or not, we can guestimate if life might be present due to certain elements in the atmosphere or such, but thats not even proof. There is at least one moon in our solar system that might have life that probably be rather unusual. Forget which moon it is, one of those with liquid methane or such on the surface, it could just be a unusual chemical reaction, but the moon is missing some elements that should be there.

As you say now intelligent life is another story, I suspect light is throughout the universe, but how frequent does higher life form is a big question.

 

[dad]

Hi everyone. I believe in aliens and at the moment I am unable to find that one quote in the bible that says something like "among the rulers of the worlds was Satan" so that is saying Satan rules this world so others rule other worlds. I have also read and seen enough evidence to believe in them. What do you guys think about them?

Edit okay not evidence. I meant testimonies and signs. Not pure evidence...

OK, it has probably been said but here is my opinion.

There are no aliens. There are demons, and angels. Many sightings of UFOs likely were either of these. They also could be some as yet secret military craft that could account for many sightings also. I suspect that there are Satanic societies which influence governments, even control many if not all in some ways. In preparation for the Rapture and coming to earth from space and under the earth of demons, the agents of Satan and darkness will need a good cover. Not like they will tell you the truth. Many feel that a likely explanation they will try to use in the final days for why millions are gone, and later why many demons walk the earth....will be 'aliens'. Maybe something like...'the aliens took the Christians to another planet' or 'these weird demon creatures we now have on earth are just aliens who needed to come here...maybe were here all along..blah blah'

The stars were created for us as signs. They will one day cease to exist. Not any way Good would make a universe for actual other beings He never happened to mention! Baloney.

I saw a UFO, it went from one end of the sky to another, changing directions and colors. The speeds that had to be involved would seem to me to indicate that particular sighting was likely involving the spiritual.

 

[lesliedellow]

The stars were created for us as signs. They will one day cease to exist. Not any way Good would make a universe for actual other beings He never happened to mention! Baloney.

Maybe that is something he forgot to keep Dad informed about. After a sharp rap across the knuckles, I am sure he won't be so remiss again.

 

[freezerman2000]

That is a myth, invented as a piece of anti-Christian propaganda in the nineteenth century. They might have thought the Sun orbited the Earth, but they didn't think the Earth was flat.

Ok,How about the first white man exploring the jungles of Africa or Lewis and Clark..Not knowing what lay ahead..People blazing the great pioneer trails west?
Talk about nit picking!

 

[dad]

Maybe that is something he forgot to keep Dad informed about. After a sharp rap across the knuckles, I am sure he won't be so remiss again.

No need to guess, we can look in His word to man and read. No aliens. Go figure. There are angels and demons though. The evidence mounts.

 

[SkyWriting]

To think we are the only life forming planet in the universe is narcissistic.

All the evidence says it is true. And I like to base at least some of my reality on evidence.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

All the evidence says it is true.

There is zero evidence that that is true, and a strong statistical argument hat it's not.

The evidence says Earth bears life. It does not say ONLY Earth bears life.